Lurker > MZero

I thought it was me + doctor as 2 protections initially tbh which is why I nope'd bg

Bodyguard on the dead body is pretty classic scum claim death. It's like in a dictionary somewhere. If you were bg in a vame of this size you would know you aren't the primary protection and so you don't save the primary target.

Will return this evening but this one is pretty straight forward to me.

Why Chris?

Who would you consider for today?

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We know who visited the dead player when they were killed. "Wow you guys guessed wrong once, obviously we should stop trying now that I'm next on the chopping block."

I think the Lopen bus makes some amount of sense. The way I read how D2 went, Lopen responded to the same-time claim right away with "damnit I hinted hider multiple times" not realizing I had different rationale for continuing with the same-time. He thought he was safe initially, and his plan was to go after Death then.

Let's just pretend that I had a normal common action that didn't out him there.

Lopen is claimed Hider with an action confirming his untargettability. He has confirmed Ulti town with his action. He busses Death successfully and has a good lynch in his record. He is set up for the rest of the game with that, making it to end game as long as people don't get suspicious of him never "hiding" behind scum.

Lopen has every reason in the world to bus Death there to improve his standing.

Anyway unfortunately for you mzero you don't really appear to know what is and what isn't alignment indicative for sultan so if I am alive tomorrow I will town case sultan more seriously.

I do feel like Mzero is the one player who should be calling me scum since he is the 1st name on the watchlist.

Then I didn't love Sultan seeming to give up when pressure went on him, but the attitude made a lot of sense when his claim came out, that he would be fine with getting lynched so he could shoot with his role. I don't read that situation as "Sultan claimed Vengeful to try and live an extra day" because then the "giving up when he gets pressure" part doesn't really match up that well. Maybe I am pretending I understand Sultan better than I actually do? But I just don't really see it, which is why I'm not on board the Sultan train right now.

Thanks for doing the extra work to prove what I figured out on day one :p

Sultan/Chris/SBell LFG?

Also Ben's Vanilla claim out of the gates screams bad to me but Ben is a smarter player then to be scum who claims vanilla out the gate right?

Maybe beacuse it seemed outta character for Mzero to make this kind of a joke and I was like wait what am I the only one who sees this weird day cop claim. That was obviously a joke beacuse I wouldn't scan guilty.

Fair enough.

1 thing that is majorly out of Character Corrik has not chimed in yet.

Even if it is to say hey let's no lynch or her what can end day 1 in like 5 hours or whatever corrikism he wants to use this day 1

It's funny you don't know me by now MZero. That is another thing why I think you're scum. Like I'm pretty sure I've nailed these reads before and I'm pretty sure it was lopen I nailed like this in a different game as well

Beacuse i haven't got that far yet lopen! You've played with me how many times and still don't understand me?

No I agree not much to gain for a scum Red to claim this.

I guess scum could always just shoot red or roleblock red anyways to avoid his power...

So kinda dumb for town to do too...

I hate millers... like I think I way over think the claims out the gate but it makes sense. I was a Miller one of my first games didnt claim and got insta murdered so It makes sense but it is also a convenient claim for scum.. has Kirby been scum yet??

However I do think Kirby is a good player and probably wouldn't do that

No I agree not much to gain for a scum Red to claim this.

I guess scum could always just shoot red or roleblock red anyways to avoid his power...

So kinda dumb for town to do too...

Guys we have 48 hours there's no need to rush

BCT looks extremely scummy already so he's probably town

Vote: Sultan

Day scanned him scum

I've been Miller in a Sultan game

##Vote: Sultan

Lynch all liars

htaeD posted
My first thought is that I dont like Sultans 1st post.
He was in Chris' role madness mafia. He should know what thats like. Calling it rough even with a simple game in between comes across as a forced statement

This is far more complicated than just a role maddess game; with Items and Shops also at play on top of Role maddess. Yeah I stand by my statement this is rough in comparison.

Exspshally with not having to think about all of this extra last game.

This seems like a weak stab Death. I am going to keep a close eye on you

Interesting progression for Lopen here
Then he used his doubts about Sultan and my supposed slowness in reacting to that as a sign of me being scum and unvoted Sultan to vote me instead.
Maybe others can make more out of this, but It does make me a little concerned about Mzero.
Though moreso indirectly

Funny isn't it you're using his argument when I caught him.

In the only onw who thought. Lopen was scum yall called me crazy and I was right.

Well thats interesting

Yeah that seems roll fishy and if it is we don't want scum to know

Question for Chris.

I'm not finished catching up but if Dumeys neighborizer is a day action how would he not be able to target a hider that is a night action. If day to unhide to join the towns people in the hunt for scum?

Youre not still hiding during day. So like if I was a day vig and shot Ulti. Would I then also kill Lopen in this senerio?? Or is my logic completely off here

Yeah idk just like seems so fishy. Only mentions Mzero not death or the killer if he saw 3 people.

If you're town dude why not just lay it all on the table it's so fishy..

Well this didn't work the way I intended but....

Okay well I was reaction hunting.

Huge town points for Walls and Dumey on their reactions was hoping I'd get more reactions but I feel holding off anymore would look bad.

Anyway yes I dont have any actual proof Lopen is Scum and that bad reasoning was for reactions only

I do have a funny gut feeling Lopen is scum but I'm not great at reading lopen

Also i never unvoted( not sure if that is a rule in this particular game or not) lol

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Ulti isn't fully reading again I see.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
##vote:Lopen

lopen is really trying to be opportunistic while trying to help red gain his power. It's a free lynch for scum if we rush it the way he wants us to

Yeah this is not my favorite progression of posts

This for EDumey

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan - help me understand your change of heart from posts 31, 33, 36 (you were all for lynching anyone) to now, since youre apparently worried about rushing a lynch being a free lynch for scum

This post from walls.

These reaction definitely come from a town mindset to me

Yeah totally read that wrong

Oh well kill me now

vote:Sultan

Interesting Walls is still pushing me to be lynched. Seems like he knows I'm town and maybe he know I'm pointing it wrong too. Hmmm

I picked Mzero beacuse he has seemed way more comical than I've ever seen him and it just doesn't seem town Mzero to me I also chose earlier. I can change who I point it at btw. Just has to be in before I get killed.

I wanted shock factor so maybe I was being a bit selfish

I'd probably be okay with Death Mzero Lopen in thar order.

Lopen is just a gut feeling I need to shake I think

Might be weak but rereading his reaction to Reds full claim I see where everyone is coming from

Circumstantial data

Besides if Sultan is town, I die anyway.
If he is scum, we kill scum.

re: Suns - Warriors/Lakers, I honestly think that the insane minutes load for Durant and Booker will be way too much even if they escape Denver. I think Denver presents a better fight should they make it due to their depth.

I should just take the inno scan and chill, huh

Sultan
Mattress
Death
Dumey

I'm thinking probably this at the moment. Mzero's attitude regarding his lynch going through feels townish to me. Just the right amount of enthusiasm.

Oh okay Marth what you just did was not that smart since you cant even be sure a real doc exists.
Though I suppose the idea to take a bullet by itself is kind\

Also are you even paying attention?
Peaf (in all likelihood) saved himself. And even if there was a doc as well, nobody can possibly say for certain that I was the one who killed Red.
Its also beyond frustrating that almost everyone gives Mzero a pass.

Persona 5 still better.

I asked this once and I'll ask again, is it common to see both a bg and a doc in the same setup here? On my homesite, they would almost certainly be ccs in a non role madness setting, but I know that things are a bit different here.

Oh.

That said I would like to hear why Sultan trusts me more than mzero

You only saw Mzero???

The Killer would have to be a ninja strongman to have killed red at this point???

To not be seen by you, not have killed the BG...

Yeah maybe I don't think wallz either.

Walls Mzero Lopen scum or be a fucking legend if I got this day 1 lol.

Also no one thinks Mzero is lying here??? Kinda easy to fake right?

My memory must be failing me then and its only the stigma that sticks.

That said it is odd in general that Lopen would risk claiming Hider in a game with Sultans power