Lurker > Corrik7

UnderUrMattress posted...

no i think chris probably led the kill on n2 but failed due to commuter so they swapped gears to ctes n3 so the kill had a better chance of going through, but ctes tried to convert to lopen's role and failed.

Impossible. If ctes absorbed lopens role, it happened after night 1.

Also, he has the power by night 3 for sure.

If he tried to "convert" to lopens role and failed night 3. Then it means he had to convert night 4. Which means he couldn't have had the roleblock to shoot through peaf that night.

If you wanna open up onto me for a possible mislynch, you are going to have to do better than that, Marth. I can go round and round all day with you picking apart any argument against me. I have consistently wanted to lynch scum all game. I have only been sidetracked by town power misleading us and by people wanting to test a towns power. I have been laser focused on scum the entire game.

Your best argument is that I have just been bussing all game and been too accurate tbqh.

UnderUrMattress posted...

I think untargetable is like this role, except also immune to kills

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

if a roleblocker tried to roleblock an ascetic mafia then the roleblock would fail, given that all actions besides killing actions fail against the ascetic

if ctes is untargetable and roleblocked, the rb would fail given that he's untargetable

idk where that falls on sheep's list, or what you're trying to accomplish but yeah.

Then you think scum no killed night 3 on purpose.

UnderUrMattress posted...

i just remembered that corrik voted me d1 because i pushed him for something lopen said

then he immediately backed off of me

perhaps because that was cause i was starting to get the breadcrumbs of lopen being mafia...??

Incorrect. I voted you because you said Sultan was town. Then voted Sultan and said it was for like "thread mental health" then I picked out your post that was fabricated and you said I was a wolf distancing myself from pairing with Sultan, when I was ardently defending Sultan SINCE DAY 1 MIND YOU. And when you apologized and admitted you mistakenly put my name in there, I unvoted you because it seemed like a genuine town mistake and apology.

Sultan definitely shot ctes and ctes definitely lived. So you either believe the jailkeep roleblock superseded the untargetable or you believe scum purposely no killed that night, because Ctes definitely just lived a shot from Sultan.

It's not actionblock. It is roleblock. The question is how does sheep resolve him being targeted to be roleblocked. I can't answer that and I assume scum will be crying foul after the game.

However, ctes couldn't have been blocked from the nightkill if you believe the roleblock didn't supersede the untargetable. And if you don't believe it could be superseded, then you don't believe he is untargetable then or you believe scum purposely no killed. Because there is no explanation for the block then.

UnderUrMattress posted...

i feel like that's a passive ability

You can roleblock passive abilities.

UnderUrMattress posted...

there's no way that jailkeep supercedes untargetable

I see nothing in that host Action priority list that states otherwise.

Host Action
Strongman
Redirection
Bus Driving
Roleblocking
Kidnapping/Commuting
Common Actions
Regular Killing Actions
Post-Death Actions

I see now. Ctes didn't need a strongman shot. He just needed to roleblock Peaf.

Ctes backed up lopen.

Ctes first shot into Peaf was assuming Peaf wasn't commuter so he didn't roleblock peaf also and got blocked. Night 2

Peaf then jailkept ctes and ctes didn't roleblock peaf. So peafs jailkeep superceded the untargetable and also blocked the kill. Night 3

Night 4
Ctes roleblocks the commute from Peaf and shoots him. It wasn't a strongman.

Sultan fails killing action because it resolves after untargetable. Scum is gonna complain that peafs jailkeep blocked ctes kill tho and superseded the untargetable.

UnderUrMattress posted...

in hindsight i'm a fucking dumbass for ever believing chris lol

Yeah. We know.

If he flips godfather, it does 100% clear you, Marth. You have been scanned town.

If he doesn't, it clears Sbell.

Ulti is a possibility but it's so low percentage he could be scum. It requires Lopen to tether to someone who absolutely would mean he would be dead if ulti ever flipped.

I'm not gonna discount it 100% because Lopen does some off the wall nonsense at times, but it's hella dumb and makes zero sense to do.

UnderUrMattress posted...

@Corrik7

ctes is probably backup that took the untargetable

i doubt he's going to flip godfather but if he does yay

but even if he doesn't, why in your mind does there have to be a godfather? why not a ninja? do you think ctes is a ninja backup if final mafia is godfather?

I think Ctes can be basically almost anything right now. We know they blew through the commuter on peaf despite their strongman spent. We also know they blocked Sultans kill and ctes wanted to which is why he voted Sultan to -1.

So, a backup is in play in some form. A ninja almost assuredly exists as does a godfather.

One thing I will say is. Lopen only gave 3 scum flavors when I asked him about them. Then when I said what about the 4th. He was like oh um yeah and gave a 4th.

I am not 100% discounting the idea that there are just 3 scum on their team (or at least 3 scum they are aware of on their team) and a 4th possibly untethered scum.

It's a very low shot of confidence, and if so, I feel like that has to be sbell. But, again, Ctes flip will clear pretty much everything up as far as what we are looking for here. Like, I won't be entirely surprised if Ctes is Ninja Godfather Backup Jack of All Trades (Gets dead scum powers as 1 use powers). Which sounds silly, but he was sending the kills in with a spent strongman there while a watcher was still active.

It's super low confidence of a theory, and it's something we can get to after Ctes flips his role. But, it's a possibility. There is zero reason to go astray with it.

UnderUrMattress posted...

Ulti said Chris was mafia for not dying n1 over a cop
Corrik said Chris was mafia because Lea lowposted and eventually subbed out

Both of these feel like bullshit, but at least one comes from town lol

Maybe I need to look at Ulti/Chris interactions again

Did not say what you said, for the record.

No one can beat the Lakers left besides the Celtics.

##unvote

I don't have the votes to win the game. Alas. I am alone and broken. Good luck guys. I shall nary advance a thought again this game. I applaud you scum. You won a game you shoulda been routed on. Tip of the Fedora to you. Fare thee well.

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://youtu.be/hQi-hwO8Rp4

##Vote: Corrik

Punishment for early hammering, and you make the most sense in the PoE.

https://youtu.be/O6XXmKttauE

Anyways. Ulti twisting the knife. Shame. And to think he said I was the best player in the game last game.

It's very clear where the scraping is coming from - the balcony is home to a huge arcade machine of indeterminate make and model, and it's being pushed towards the edge by a pair of miscreants, clearly using all of their might. It reaches the railing, and the figures crouch, before heaving the cabinet over the edge. It plummets to the ground in an instant, narrowly missing the console right next to it, which escapes unscathed.

"Huh. That's not what was meant to happen."

He definitely shot at someone.

Ctes just spending all his time deflecting to why others should be looking at others and not him instead of making any actual cases himself against anyone. Kinda funny. Classic scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So you're trying to state that you thought you had 4 scum (now stating that you had one wrong due to Wallz playing his role wrong) and thus they had to be town at the time? Because your posts stated they had to be town for various reasons while Chris and I were scum to poe. Again, it doesn't track.

It does. The odds of Sbell claiming miller as scum is insanely low if you know Sbell. The odds of red hitting the godfather with his scan is very low.

The odds of both being true are infintismally low.

You being scum has always perfectly been straight in the POE with who we can eliminate as scum as basically a lock. Your flip will also eliminate an option from the very low chances of possibility to hone in the other that has to be. It's that simple.

I tire of this back and forth.

@mzero
@UltimaterializerX

Avengers Assemble! Let's do this. Maybe Sheep won't pull some bs 40 hour night phase to screw us over.

ctesjbuvf posted...

But I was scum due to poe was what you said so that can't be it. Those two would have had to be in your poe then as well but they had to be town.

And that had nothing to do with Wallz going after Death and not Chris.

Wallz played his role very wrong. I told him that from the start. He wanted to be big dog though and swag his tail around, and this is where it led us.

Doesn't change the facts. You and Chris have always been scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Haven't you called both of them sure town in the past though.

More importantly, if they're both possible, why can't it be both? Why can the two not be aligned?

Because you are scum.

They were both sure town when our strongest town role was misleading town by denying information to town that was pertinent for clearing someone else and not them.

Scanned town*

ctesjbuvf posted...

Some of those confirmed town are now scum depending on my flip are they not?

Tell me this, why can it not be SBell and Marth?

It cannot be Marth if you are godfather because he is scanned scum. It cannot he sbell if you are not godfather because the last scum is godfather and he wouldn't have told the game he scans scum as someone who scans town.

ctesjbuvf posted...

But yet it's simple and you wanna lynch Ctes for being jailkept.

I wanted to lynch you (the person you talk about in 3rd person) before you were jailkept. Because it was obvious from who was confirmed town that you had to be scum.

The jailkept portion blocked kill is just peaf listening to me when others wouldn't. 412 represent. (I am 724 tho lol)

@UltimaterializerX

Can I get a ctes vote from you please?

EDumey posted...

Ctes comes first, but Wallz just died, so I'm performing my role function of relaying his work to everyone.

As just outlined in the Wall post above (haha get it), I think scum had a vested interest in lynching Chris before Ctes. Not sure that Marth abstaining from voting is anything that triggers my senses immediately.

Thats not what I asked you. Did Marth or anyone else try to steer to a different lynch target.

Trust me when I say, Chris wanted to live there and expected to live there. I think ctes is a valuable member of scum, but Chris definitely thought he could pocket all his groupies and win too.

EDumey posted...

Wallz made arguments that his experience with SBell both from what he's heard from others, and playing scum with SBell in MAD Mafia, is that SBell busses like a motherfucker, and cannot help commenting on scum buddies when they make mistakes in topic.

There were multiple examples of this when SBell butted heads a little bit with Lopen D1 that could be an indication of this. Things like when SBell and Lopen went back and forth about his Miller claim, or SBell made specific mention of how MZero and Wallz didn't want to believe in a scum Lopen.

Topic 3, Marth makes a comment about Chris looking good for defending both Sultan and Death, and SBell provides the counterargument that he's scum because he would purposely look good defending town. Continues to imply Chris is scum, and Chris even comments that SBell is traumatized by him.

Day 2, SBell doesn't post much and "admits" to not being present much when Lopen got caught and lynched. Only comes in to say that people suspecting SBell for being Miller with a confirmed Cop look bad. Lopen also mentions SBell directly saying that SBell must be scum because Lopen is the "miller" in the setup.

SIDENOTE: Wallz found that Chris was the first to bring up Mafia Backup in Topic 5, what a surprise.

Wallz wasn't sure, but he believe the first person to really bring up and argue the "Chris No Killed to set up his Protection claim" was SBell once again. There was scum motive to have the lynch swing from Ctes to Chris because he was spent Strongman, so SBell putting up one of the primary arguments to lynch Chris unfortunately has scum equity here.

And then Wallz also thought SBell joking about Peaf not having a vest to save him came off as scum gloating when they may have been targetting Peaf since D1 with roleblocks/kills.

The last important part of Wallz ISO was a votals analysis. SBell voted BCT and Death early, didn't vote Lopen when he was caught, was very vocal about lynching Chris over Ctes, and didn't take a strong stance or vote on Sultan/Ctes. SBell looks like the one that has most "protected" Ctes in this game.

So Wallz final analysis was lynch Ctes, and if he's scum like we expect, lynch SBell next.

And this is all completely hand swept away by if Ctes flips not godfather, it can't be sbell.

It only can be if ctes is godfather.

ctesjbuvf posted...

You realize I said the simple thing because you were saying game is that simple but what you're presenting builds on some absurd suggestions of what I would be.

There is nothing absurd. You are scum. I could care less about anything else about your role besides whether it's godfather or not.

To downplay ridiculous roles after an untargetable roleblocker for scum tho is silly.

Especially when peaf died on a commuter night. And there is no way for scum to have gotten through that.

Edumey, if you want homework I do have some for you.

Final Votals
[6] Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Sultan), (Wallz), Sultan, Ctes, (Wallz), Corrik
[4] Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), Wallz
[0] MZero - (Sultan), (Dumey), (Marth)
[0] SBell - (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Wallz)

Was Marth trying to suggest a counter lynch here? This is obviously a scum-scum lynch.

So was anyone trying to derail it

ctesjbuvf posted...

Does Corrik insist this much on his idea as town? Even at this game state it'll probably be easy to defend having mislynched me after N3, so might be worth it I guess. Might be worth looking back at what Corrik said his idea of the game was at what points.

My mindset has been pretty one note all game. Have fun with it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

And yet it must be so simple.

Well, in your defense, you gotta find ways to try and find 2 mislynches. You need me as 1. But the problem is how do you get the 2nd. Because if you do get me first, I flip town, and then they probably wake up and listen.

All I need is 3 other town who want to win and this game is over. You lynch ctes. He flips godfather or not. It reveals if the last scum is Marth or Sbell. It's literally that simple. We can do speedrun it. We can take 400 years. I don't care. I'll get my "man, corrik is really good at this game and no one listens" regardless of how we do it or whether yinz decide to screw it up. It's all good regardless. Just decide if you wanna win or lose. Thats all it comes down to.

Obellisk posted...

##vote: corrik

here's post 15.

see ya day 7.

Honestly may be his first vote this game. Kinda proud of him.

EDumey posted...

Next, going to try to paraphrase some of Wallz work on thinking SBell was scum. Will be a minute, because he did a whole ass ISO and I can't quote directly from it.

Sbell is literally no point looking at right now. If Ctes flips not godfather, the last scum is godfather and sbell isn't claiming miller as godfather.

We literally have a paint by numbers in front of us. It just requires not being bad.

Obellisk posted...

I asked the EIGHT other players in the game not to hammer. You said "fuxk sbell, I'm hammering 38 hours early".

So go fuck yourself with this 14 post bullshit.

Maybe shoulda used one of those 14 posts to vote for Ctes instead of ask people to not hammer and spend 38 hours watching you maybe get to 15 posts. Maybe.

Confirmed town wallz and mzero were already on Sultan and not leaving. Ctes was not leaving because he wanted to be shot at and get the milsynch. Ulti wasn't leaving.

Mzero at least had good reasoning which I did agree his reasoning was at least somewhat sound. Wallz was just literally completely utterly wrong in every sort (again).

Obellisk posted...

well we tried yesterday but you had to fuck us with that.

no one else was going to hammer sultan.

Final votals
[5] Sultan - Ulti, Wallz, MZero, Ctes, Corrik
[1] Ctes - (Corrik), (Marth), Sultan
[1] Dumey - Marth

You sure "tried". It was 3-3 and then 4 - 2. Ctes himself made Sultan -1. Marth was off in lala land. And I guess one of your 14 posts this game wasn't a vote for the person you were trying to lynch.

ctesjbuvf posted...

You were very insistent on lynching me until the moment Sultan said something that resembled considerations of shooting elsewhere. That seems like a funny coincidence doesn't it.

I applaud your effort instead of rolling over. Everything you are saying of course is not true, but that is okay. You are trying.

Unfortunately for your team, it's been dead in the water for literally days. It just depends on whether town will do the obvious or not.

UnderUrMattress posted...

It's either EDumey or Corrik7. No one, including EDumey has convinced me that he's town.

Edumey literally can't be scum. I hope you are scum so you aren't actually this bad. Thankfully Ctes flip will give us an assured answer there one way or the other.

Lea's*

ctesjbuvf posted...

Either you're cfrw or you're making this up because you knew. That slot was basically not playing (and not laying low) the vast majority of the day.

Chris replaced in and purposely laid low. You know this on your scum board. It's why I voted for Chris under let's name purposely.

Obellisk posted...

we were on the cusp of lynching ctes and you ensured we didn't.

the people spoke? since when are you ever a team player and willing to go with status quo...

-1 for Sultan. 2 votes total for Ctes. Was tied before it swung that way. Your analysis of cusp and trend are wrong.

If you don't wanna listen and win, just lynch me now because I am beyond aggravating at this point.

This is very simple. If ctes flips godfather, last scum is sbell. If ctes doesn't flip godfather, last scum is Marth.

It's literally this simple guys.

Obellisk posted...

you could just say sorry for fucking up.

I didn't fuck up. I specifically campaigned to voting ctes directly. It was -1 to 2 votes total. The people spoke. I tried to get the next day up quicker. Sheep did us dirty.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Also you have wanted to lynch me for days because I was successfully jailkept.

You were successfully jailkept and blocked of a kill because I said you were scum and peaf actually listens.

I said since Day 2 scum was Lopen Death Ctes Chris. I spelled out why.

Death was unfortunate because Wallz withheld Chris was the killer to red which would have cleared him.

I was on lea/Chris day 1 because it was obvious they were purposely laying low that day to ride it out. And lo and behold. Mafia Strongman. Go... figure...

EDumey posted...

That's bad form to put the blame on Wall, when MZero and I both outlined reasons for why we thought Sultan was scum. Peaf also thought so before dying. There was a lot of town that had reason to want to test Sultan. The shot not going off if just something we didn't really expect.

Wallz called me out specifically as if I was stupid and I had to ELI5 him because it didn't make sense. Everything I said is obvious from day 2. The fact I have to keep repeating this over and over to this game is actually immensely difficult to handle.

The only thing I have been off on is where townpower deliberately mislead us without revealing information.

EDumey posted...

##Vote: Ctes

I'm not really sure what happened with Sultan. Either he didn't point his gun and was a fool, or since we think there's a chance of a mafia backup, we forgot to factor in the idea that ctes could be untargettable. Is that why he kept baiting me to talk with him? I have no idea.

I still think it was the mathematically correct choice to test Sultan when we did, and not leave it until later when there was reason to suspect him and be put into an unpredictable situation due to the volatile role he had, but now no more distractions.

I will probably take a moment to yell at Marth in a moment for his craziness after I went to bed the previous day, but first my action, I talked with Wallz since I knew he was likely to die and wanted to give him a chance to give a last will. He did a big ISO of SBell for the whole game and thinks we should look SBell's direction as the last scum after Ctes. Will summarize his points in a little bit.

Ctes voted Sultan knowing Sultan was pointed at him. Really all needed to know. The question then becomes, how was peaf able to block the kill from him if he is indeed not targetable. Or does he have to keep choosing one of the things to use? Used strongman through peaf, then activated untargetable yesterday?

The host note clearly kinda infers the shot went off but failed.