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I think everyone has to start with whether ulti is town and work from there.

I would need 4 of those most likely, but I feel pretty confident there is only 3 in there.

Oh I unvoted Chang. Still seems the right way.

Okay sbell. Let's say that's right. And ulti is legit all the way through. And you and Cody and Chris are confirmed not scum. I don't believe this, but let's say I do.

Who is the scum team?

Chang, Crescent, Sheep, Plum, Mzero is all your left in the pool at that point.

3 people with 1 vote at possible mylo. Ugh

Obellisk posted...

The Assist Trophy would show. SBell would not.

Yeah i don't think your assist is using an item. It's clearly a bypass to the role.

Uh uh. Not bullshitting your way to being confirmed there. Nice try.

Wallz woulda had to be town via hit by the scum roleblock

Sbell now says he doesn't act but assists do so that wouldn't show I'd think.

Plum wasn't confirming on night 2 but was on night 1.

Cody was confirming.
Chris was confirming.

The only thing that ulti clears if legit is that Chris and Cody are not scum.

Then night 3, ulti says Cody is scum? But Cody says he didn't act?

Okay let's shits and giggles act like no bypass and this is all legitimate information.

The nut was a roleblock you said. Wallz claimed roleblocked.

Thus every other action we know happened would have to be town.

Lea going to mzero had to be town.
Cody tracking Lea had to be town.

Plums action wasn't confirmed but it was accurate night 1.
Sbells action was an assist and wouldn't show I guess.

Chris gave a fish and thus that's not a scum item. We knew that already.

Chang all the sudden says he activated his eye or something night 2. Unconfirmable though convenient after the fact.

Sheep didn't say if moved that night I think but unconfirmable regardless.
Mzero I think says he doesnt move so invalid.
Crescent did you say when you bus drove?

So if ulti is legit... it confirms Chris not scum. Cody town.

I guess that's actually it.

That's night 2.

Night 3. Ulti you saw exactly 1 action total? Or you saw at least one? You had one beetle right?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Night 2 - 2 beetles out, only the deku nut back. I genuinely thought Lea was the roleblocker and made a misplay, plus the BG claim with choice of targeting was weird.

Night 3 - High beetle out, special flag/action/priority whatever back. Mafia can target dead town with a backup role.

The item you got back night 3 was target dead town with backup role?

Or anyone tell me what he claimed. I wanna see something

Also again about the night before. What you did then. I think you said you had 2 and got a nut.

UltimaterializerX posted...

The most annoying thing about my role is how Lopens going to come in here after the game to play Captain Hindsight and tell everyone how obvious it was the whole time that Im town.

And special flag, special priority, whatever. Same difference.

Can you tell me exactly what happened again?

You went high. Got nothing high. But got special? And it was a "resurrect"?

UltimaterializerX posted...

The most annoying thing about my role is how Lopens going to come in here after the game to play Captain Hindsight and tell everyone how obvious it was the whole time that Im town.

And special flag, special priority, whatever. Same difference.

Lopen post-game is always the boss I dread the most.

MZero posted...

you leave my boi chang along, bruh!

Grrrr

MZero posted...

and yet Ulti is town right? lmao

Leave my boi ulti alone, bruh. Lol

changmas posted...

i know you're wrong about my own alignment too. two strikes. and if we let you get to a third strike the game is going to be over.

let me make a real argument and claim for me then!

You don't need my claim to make an argument if you actually believe I am scum. Nor will you get my claim.

You are voting me on mylo. If you don't have an argument I am scum, you wouldn't be voting me. Yet, here you are.

I wonder why.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Oh I was looking at day 1 posts.

A quick search says Chang makes no mention of Joyrock at all on day 2 until topic 5, post 169. It's about 7 hours before end of day.

Yeah, they merge together for me but those posts seem almost passively trying to steer away from him but not outright saying it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

When did Chang defend Joyrock on day 1? He doesn't even mention Joyrock anytime between the back half of topic 2, and the post I quoted where he said he was leaning towards voting him.

Refer to post 70 and 72 please.

changmas posted...

you have been dead wrong about everything this game and town corrik simply isn't that bad at the game

How can you know how wrong or right my reads are? I said Lea was scum. Wrong.

Okay. What else was wrong? Like, you can't possibly know how wrong or right I am without knowledge of the setup I do not know. It's pointless either way. I was wrong about death last game. Was I scum?

I have said Ulti is town. Do you know his alignment? Because I think I am right. I said Chris has to not be scum. I think I am right. Who exactly am I also wrong on? Make a real argument I am scum. Not being perfect isn't really an argument. You can't because you haven't played this game at all to find scum. You played this game to blend in.

Like build the case I am scum if you believe it. You are just voting me because I said you are scum. I am voting you because you are scum af. That's the difference. You don't have a town mindset at all.

changmas posted...

i like to splinter vote day 1 if i'm not feeling particularly good about either lynch option. there was one game recently i did it to sbell and he ended up being scum. i just like having it out there who i'm not feeling good about. i frankly don't care if the vote goes anywhere on day 1 that's not really the point. i'm not going to vote on a train just to vote on a train i couldn't care less about that

i swapped to joyrock after a specific post he made where i just said nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and then swapped idk what more reasoning you want than that, i was absolutely not about him after that

It was after you told him to vote for Marth basically. I posted it above. You spend time telling him to vote Marth basically and when 2 people do and its him up by 3, then you make the vote. But, you passively defended him also.

Being condescending doesn't work with me as a way to push me off. You did this all of day 2 basically to try and cast people off with whataboutism and deflect all looks your way.

Your only real read and analysis I posted above and it comes out to basically half the game is somewhat sorta scum. And 2 people were town. And Chris please visit me tonight.

Obellisk posted...

And good point Corrik,

I didn't bring up the assist trophies till like 24 hours ago.

Please don't egg me on because I think you are scum too . You are making me nervous.

changmas posted...

reminder in xenoblade you told me my claim was a literal impossibility and bingo bango bongo it was completely real so frankly i'm unconcerned with your attempts to parse through role meta

I didn't say your role is not real. I said you are either faking or scum with it. I don't care which honestly. It's asinine you just said you tried to confirm Chris wasn't faking his actions for a scum teammate to do them. Its literally just dumb.

changmas posted...

you are so pedantic all of the time. It confirms that Chris indeed is delivering the fish himself, as opposed to being a member of a scum team who all have an item to deliver a goldeen and someone else did it. Or apparently that an assist trophy wasn't delivering the goldeen for him, because that's just a thing that everyone seems to take no issue with at all.

At no point ever did I claim that you should be clearing me off of my role, simply that you are suspecting me based on role meta off of completely unfounded accusations and you know it. Especially when you yourself are unclaimed.

And frankly I have had an issue with you ever since Lea flipped town because despite how it might seem most of the time (because your pedantry annoys me to absolutely no end), I do have a great deal of respect for your town sensibilities and I feel that most of the time it's worth giving you a gun on day 1 and letting you shoot somebody because if you're town it's usually gonna be right. It's why I was open to totally sheeping you Day 2 and letting you just take a shot because when you're town you're seemingly always right. Like in Yugioh mafia when you literally called our entire scum team on day 1/2. and well, in a game when you can't even get your top read right, i start to get worried. and now you're off on a wild goose chase on me and i just don't think I believe that a town corrik (who is actually paying attention for once!) ever gets it this wrong this far into the game.

##Vote: Corrik

and that one is sticking

You are scum so I can't say I care and no your reasoning makes no sense. So, Chris was confirming delivering his gifts to everyone the entire game but instead he wouldn't be doing it but another scum would be (which means his scum buddy) and then Chris is tying himself to that scum if caught moving and killing them both for no other reason than to deliver a fish which he has done every single night?

You make absolutely zero sense. You are just bullshitting your way through your claim. It's nonsensical. Fucking wallz wouldn't even say something this asinine and try to make sense of it. I mean, you coulda just went with "I was just trying to have some fun" or some shit. But, the fact you just tried to justify it as you someone confirming it and saying Chris was potentially tying himself to another scum is atrocious.

Oh and BTW, assist trophies weren't mentioned to days after from then. So if you knew about assist trophies then, you are scum too.

Ulti what did you claim happened last night

changmas posted...

when did i say it confirms me? Youre literally making stuff up that i absolutely never said.

it confirms chris, not me, and Im fine with that

How does it confirm Chris. That makes zero sense. He is confirmed by saying he has a power and people getting it. His role is conformable. Yours is confirmable also, but you requested usage on you that would do absolutely nothing to confirm you.

I know Chris doesn't want to lynch you specifically because he went to you earlier in this game, but thats bullshit reasoning on his part specifically also. Your role 1. Could be scum Psychic and 2. Has zero confirmation anyways in any part of you actually being it anyways besides you say so.

Your role basically is all information already out in the game, besides the caveat it requires you knowing a couple roles not claimed at that point. Whether teammates or scans involved. And it's not dangerous going forward since we are probably at mylo.

changmas posted...

uh yeah basically nobody ever uses night actions on me in any game ever its genuinely very likely that chris is the only person thats going to visit me all game

But Chris using it on you confirmed nothing as you would have known he visited you regardless by having the item. It doesn't confirm your role in any way absolutely whatsoever.

Obellisk posted...

on the flip side. I could just be so awful at this and I managed to kill death the same night scum did and I roleblocked plum thr same night scum did.

But what are those chances?

High if you are scum.

Again wants that fish to "confirm" his role, despite it would be apparent if given a fish he was visited and by who.

Town
Red
Ulti

One is scum
Plum
Lea

One or both are scum
Joyrock
Crescent

Lean scum
Corrik
Wallz

Trending scum
Ctes

Possibly scum
Death

Neutral
Cody
Mzero

Considers anyone with a fish town?

changmas posted...

i think there's likely one scum in the plum / lea duo

i think there's definitely at least one scum between joyrock and crescent who is laying low

regardless of how the lea / plum split goes it's worth looking at corrik who i'd have to go back to check but my memory suggests he has been a big influence in looking at both of them and egging them on to an extent so he may have been the invisible hand guiding that the way he wants

wallz is pushing hardest on ulti scum so that's a good person to look into as well, especially considering his claim was a bit calculated in terms of how much info he gave to get people off of his case on day 1 and i could see him having gotten help with what to say there to do it correctly

not sure what to make of ctes and death. ctes had a very strong day 1 but i haven't been too impressed on day 2 so he's dropping down my town list. death i always think is scum so i need somebody else to tell me what to think there or when we're allowed to lynch him hehe

let cody resolve himself with backup

if someone else gets a fish tonight though (and hopefully it's me :) i am willing to consider you town until further notice. red and ulti i still believe are town and want to not lynch either today. tiny bit concerned about mzero being stubborn on ulti but that is likely NAI

Okay after he like instantly buys ulti as legit once ulti claims clairvoyant after Chang says ulti is clairvoyant

He posts this which is probably his first actual analysis and reads for scum.

Chang says twice for the backup/cody to take the gunsmith power.

Chang pretty much the entire day is spent being sarcastic and cynical to everyone. Not really looking for scum at all imo.

changmas posted...

well the low hanging fruit here is always joyrock

This almost seems like passively trying to push this lynch away as this is what I say for why we shouldn't vote someone day 1.

So wait. Chang requested a fish given to him. The night he popped his power to reveal who visited him. When if given a fish he already knew who would be visiting him. Do I have this straight?

changmas posted...

there is a debate to be had with joyrock if we are feeling good about him being scum though

because that is a player slot you can leave in the game that will not fight back so if we have a 2nd scum player it's prolly better to get rid of them

Says if Joy is scum they won't fight back so better to find someone else... what

changmas 5/23/2023 7:48:15 PM
#155
undefined posted... pLum

Leas last two posts of the day are this

<img src="https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/0/AANz_VAAEgTu.png">

The thing that really stands out to me is that Lea never changed her mind a single time in all of day 1

Ever. Isn't that kind of crazy? Her list of suspicions were a tally board that kept getting added to. It went from Marth, to Marth and Red, to Marth and Chris and she voted between them. She also made an off hand comment about suspecting chang and what do you know! He was in the scum list too.

This is not a real town thought process. Town doesn't flow along adding people to a board, especially someone as good as Lea.

Lea decided Marth was scum 150 posts into topic 1 and road that boat all the way to the lynch with nothing stopping her

Plum, I want to applaud you here. This ISO of Lea was really compelling to me and really laid out before my eyes a lot of the concerns I had floating around my head about Lea. It also bothered me that she was tunneled in onto Marth and that she has had trouble adjusting her reads to the evolving game state. I think you've convinced me to take a hard stance here and spring into action.

Choo choo

##Vote: Lea

---- these back to back posts by Chang are wild.

changmas 5/23/2023 7:37:43 PM
#151
undefined posted... lea

The only time Changmas has mentioned Corrik is a day one post listing him under "needs more info". Sheeping Corrik because Corrik has the highest solving attribute and low charisma is reasonable ... If you have a really solid reason to think Corrik is town. Scans, positive results. This lack of considering scum Corrik is a red flag.

Secondly, Chang says he is doing that because his reads are downright awful so far. But, like...are they? It's day two and we have two flips. Chang voted Joyrock over Marth. And suspected Peaf. So wrong once, basically. Seems weird to give up entirely on playing the game yourself based on this game state.

And finally, Chang has clearly wanted to go after me for a long time. He has made many a passive comment about how my reads are similar to Ulti's, dancing on the side like a little chaos goblin if anyone else wanted to jump on. Why not just actually try to kill me for my own sins? Why subsume your will and responsibility to Corrik? It utterly lacks conviction and smacks of scum who doesn't want to stick his neck out too much.

i'd argue the opposite actually this is one of the more conspicuous things i could do. in what world am i saying this and nobody blinks an eye at all and just lets me slide by

if i was scum and wanted to mislynch you without actually drawing any attention to myself i'd just make up some dumb BS based on one of the many posts other people already pointed out they don't like from you and claim that somebody actually persuaded

changmas posted...

other things of interest...

i haven't seen anyone else call for it so chris i would like to specifically request to receive the fish/goldeen tonight if that's on the table. i want a pet to keep me company during the long nights.

i feel like sbell honestly lost his mind with the whole cody fish thing which was all very strange. is he scum? probably not. but weird behavior nonetheless

seeing as my reads this game have really been nothing short of awful i am honestly down to sheep for corrik today while i re-evaluate the game and figure out my own bearings. because i've seen a whole lot of games where corrik really does find the whole scum team early on and just straight up can't convince anyone of it. so i say we give him a chance here and see what he's cooking. who are we voting right now, Lea?

##Vote: Lea

Kind of annoying looking back that I probably let scum ride free on my crusade on Lea.

Before this Crescent says chang is underwhelming. Chang says what about you in return.

Guys. I like what I see from mzero day 1. Usually as town I don't like stuff I see til like day 4 or 5 from him. I never see it as scum though. My dude is making reads and analyzing shit on day 1.

Post 170

changmas posted...

leaning joyrock rn after the wallz post. nothing he has said thus far has given me a lot of faith or confidence that he will be helpful in solving the game later nor has he given much reason to suggest he's any more likely to be town than random chance

Post 175

changmas posted...

marth dying i think is acceptable to me although i'd consider myself a slight town lean on him, despite his disappearance

Before this chang spent most the topic attacking death and wallz who were both town.

changmas posted...

we just went from everyone wanting to vote wallz to only one person wanting to vote wallz after a single post from him. why do you think it's beyond your control?

Chang to joyrock on why he should vote. Then immediately he goes nahhhhhhhh and votes joyrock.

Would he have the back and forth there encouraging him to vote in topic and not outside the game. Then again, does Chang make this vote and redoes it to be performative unless he knows joyrock is now there to change his vote to Marth and have that buffer.

Needless to say, I don't think changs end of the day is good at all and crescents looks pretty good in retrospect. I don't know the day 2 votals matter as much as the day 1 ones because scum arguably knew who the cop was.

I will point out in topic 3, Chang seemed to have a grasp of how scum items worked or something. Which could be nothing. It did seem to intimate town might not know who was moving or scum could keep switching them up.

Plum says Marth is probably town but we should kill him anyways. Lmfao.

Peaf drops dayvig snippet at the end of the day. Could be why he was shot. Directed specifically to Chris fwiw.

Crescent is still pointing out why she prefers joyrock over Marth. Did Chang even give reasoning for his vote? I need to check.

Arguably Chang reiterating the vote and saying he didn't know if he needed to unvote seems performative and like he really wanted people to know he voted Joy.

Generic Votals Header
[6] Marth - (Chris), (Lea), (Ulti), Cody, (Ulti), Lea, Death, Ulti, Peaf, Joyrock
[4] Joyrock - (Chris), Marth, SBell, Crescent, Chang
[2] Crescent - (Marth), Chris, Wallz
[1] Red - (Peaf), (Chris), (Ulti), (Lea), (Corrik), Corrik, (Lea)
[0] Chang - (Ulti)
[0] Chris - (Lea)
[0] Cody - (Plum)
[0] Lea - (Corrik), (Chris), (Chris), (Corrik)
[0] Peaf - (Marth), (Chang)
[0] Ulti - (MZero), (Joyrock)
[0] Wallz - (Ulti), (Peaf), (Chris)

So here is where we are.

Crescents vote looks infinitely better than Changs. Wanna finish the day out though.

Oh wow. Peaf nooooo. And then joyrock votes him. 3 ahead now.

Now Chang votes joyrock. Hmmm. Making him 2 behind. Hmmm. Seems like enough of a buffer there that maybe this vote is to look good.

This is day 1. They don't know who the cop is for sure. This is their godfather.

Okay so then you unvote wallz and try to see if there is anything behind a Crescent train.

And Crescent votes not for Marth but for joyrock bringing him to 1 behind Marth again. That's a good vote I suppose for her.

SirChris posted...

topic 3

Oof you and ulti are where this lynch turns.

Ulti puts joy in the lead. You drop off joy to make it a 2 vote lead.

I expressed clear as day I didn't want to lynch either of them.