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Because he wanted to give the claimed BG a chance to do something?

Oh you meant it in the sense of 'scumRB has not diet yet'
I thought you meant 'scumRB has not been proven to exist yet' which would have been silly yes.
But Sheeps answer makes sense to me,why would Isquen jailkeep you?

Could be town feeling depressed after day4
Could be scum trying to mimic town depression and mask how excited they really were about day4

Hmmm
I do wonder how its supposed to work with a renewable shot

I dont think I trusted the BG claim so much as I just wanted to let it play out for a night.
I trusted it even less when Ulti claimed 1shot BP.
Either way I didnt trust IGCDs convenient claim.
Plus I only had a single self busdrive to hand out, that was about as much 'protection' as I could give.

And honestly Mindful sounds like it could be a role trap for town to suspect.
That and we dont know what scum has left besides a RB

But yeah some of those lists read less like PoE and more like "who do I need to lynch to win?"

I am surprised I am not on your table, but Sheep is
Is that because you think it could be 2 scum left?

Quoted Wallz there, just to be clear

Acually

We have had no roleblocker flip

This is a weird thing to say for someone who supposedly got roleblocked that same night
Plus, yaknow, both BCT claimed to have been blocked by someone that could not have been Isquen/Abacus

Plus Sheep already answered that question when BCT first asked it

I am about to go to sleep, but I am willing to let you answer some stuff Wallz

What did you mean with that post you made in topic4?
I quoted it a page back in post # 146

To be fair you yourself said you would still vote Wallz despite everything, Ctes.

Like at this point I cant believe Sheep is on a 3man scumteam, I dont see how anyone besides Red could have killed Sbell

The only question mark for me remains BCT then, since if he is scum Sheep would be the only nilla.
But a town with only 2 nillas also feels weird.

red13n posted...

I would also wager it is only a 2 man scumteam left, but I could be wrong.

4 scum in 18 sounds wrong to me. Especially since EDumey can selfdestruct

(Then again, so can and did Peaf)

I am sure I have a conviction lying somewhere around here.

I kid of course. For me the sunday vibes and Wallz being doomed is a sleepy combination.

I went back to look back at his posts in part to see if there was even a chance he hinted at his role, but outside of that one post I quoted (which is pretty open-ended anyway) I found nothing.

Did see him going after BCT a lot, which makes BCT look even better.

Hi Red

What are your thoughts?

Though I am only saying that because I dont know when BCT and Red are posting again.

Well you dont need my vote either way if everyone agrees to the lynch tonight
Sheep will have to be my proxy, lol

Usually silences worry me
But it feels right today

They couldnt have known day4 would end before I woke up either.
Points moots now anyway

I believe everyone has posted, so the scumteam would have to be legendarily bad at coordination if you are part of them.

Oh and BCT I get your confusion now
There is no 'other point' to the night phase or parts of the nightphase. All actions resolve at the same time at the end, Red and Dumey's.
Dumey could not die as long as he sent in the kill

BCT you cant just brush off people trying to argue your logic as scumposts.
Also I am simply saying that if you think you drove into the roleblock, that would mean scum didnt roleblock you directly.

I wonder if even Wallz remembers what this was about (Back in day2)

PeaceFrog posted...

Lets put it this way, if ulti is scum and IGCD is truthful as town hes aware IGCD was RBd. Also, godfather exists

I think this is only true if we assume that either abacus isn't town, because if abacus is town how would a hypothetical scum Ulti know who abacus targeted?

And if both abacus and Ulti are scum, Ulti has shown a much greater willingness to bus this game than he did in other scum games iirc. But you can let me know your thoughts on that since you were together in Tekken.

wallmasterz posted...

Thats a really good point peaf.

ughhhhh god I want to say stuff about my role but I also dont know if its wise.

tekken was a mess. Ulti did bus me some but Id already made myself look quite bad. I dont think we should draw any conclusions about ultis bussing tendencies from it.

I checked just now that coupons are not lost if a roleblock prevents someone from using them, not that I expected Sheep to lie about still having it.

If the busdriver coupon had not been a single night coupon.. we could have used that to confirm whether or not BCT was directly roleblocked or not too.
But I still trust BCT and assume he drove into the block.

I believe its to make Red look worse
Maybe.
Doesnt sound like a good plan the more I analyze it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

It doesn't really matter now, but I'd definitely put my money on FD actually being saved above Plum being shot. It felt less likely than the block but yeah.

I was half surprised Changmas got killed. Felt Red was more confirmed town at that point and almost wondered if Changmas could be an independent.
It seems like scum really wanted the neighborhood to die, so them shooting FD is possible.
But its also possible one of them targeted Plum n1, got no result back, and wanted to kill him ASAP.

Messed up the quote block. Dont feel like editing it

Wallz > Ctes >> Ulti >> BCT

Lol thats my list too

Ulti is above Ctes only because I do like his energy
But as far as roles go, he and Ctes are equally immaterial.

Though I guess him claiming he BGed Lea night1 would have been a step too far into ludicrous town.

I am also not that accepting of Wallz seeing all that talk about Lea possibly being a PGO or something.
And him not just confessing to the full power of his supposed role. At least when the sametime claims happened.

BCT I can understand hunting for the best scumlynch for info. But really we take any scum at this point, not the best scum. Thats what a Lylo warrants.

Also you claiming you got roleblocked directly the same night you got my item has me curious since it seems you believe that it was the busdrive that go you blocked a few posts later.
The latter is far more likely anyway.

We could just wait until a lynch is decided anyway.
Though on the other hand I can understand if people want to confirm the doublevote's existence first

And yeah its a one time only thing.
If it wasnt, I would have handed it out way sooner.

I guess voting on the same person is the only way to confirm it safely since votals may take forever to get posted
And you should want to immediately unvote in the same post
Then we should just poke the host for official votals
Even if we have to wait for that tho, and even if the numbers suggest that you cant be scum, I would feel a even better knowing you used it.

I feel its dangerous to assume scum has to be hiding in the remaining powers only
Though I am largely saying that because I dont want to be mislynched, least of all because of that sentiment.

That said I trust Sheep (especially if he can prove he has the doublevote) and Red

So that would leave the remaining scum between Wallz, Ctes, Ulti, BCT in that order to me.

Wallz changing his claim now just causes the balance to be even more out of tune and reads like an attempt to throw shade on Red.

Oh and in addition, I can only give each player 1 coupon and players cannot use a night action and a coupon at the same time.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Death, I need a full claim with all actions.

Already gave a full claim but here we go again

Pineapple Vendor, TOWN Coupon Dealer

Gave Chang a Camera night1: Watch/Track that lasts for 2 nights
Gave BCT a Teleporter night2: Self busdriver that has to be used the same night
Gave Sheep a Duplicator night3: 1shot Doublevote enabler that lasts 2 nights and lingers the next day

Oh Sheep is saying he still has the coupons power?
That is possible. My Role PM did state it was good for 2 days (the wording was a but confusing since the other 2 items didnt linger into the day)

I just thought the coupons would disappear if the player was roleblocked when using one
This could call into question what happened to BCT, but he said his teleporter could have gone off and he got blocked afterwards because of him driving into the path of the roleblocker.

Anyway Sheep you can also vote 2 different players at the same time if you want to prove you still have it.

Well that was a thing to wake up too yesterday.

First things first

I did consider giving it to Peaf the coupon (which was indeed a doublevote), but his inability to use his power caused me to secondguess him as a target and also I didnt want to get in the way of him using his power at night if that was better for him
(and now I wish he had!)

Sheep I gave you the item because I knew a doublevote at this stage was not all that useful to anyone
You could only make it once and after that it would be gone, so I would have asked you to spend it early anyway.
But more importantly you could not have used your night action if you used my item, which would help hinder scum if you were a part of them, or better prove your innocense if not.

That said
Sheep I am gonna need you to try to doublevote again
I am pretty sure the coupon should have fizzled out by now, but just in case. I cant rule out some super weird shenanigan scumpower.

Anyway yes I see Red has to be town since nobody else could have killed Sbell

Less sure about Wallz,not like scum has better targets to fake a RB on (and they could have RBed Isquen on night3)

KamikazePotato posted...

I struggle to think of a beast tamer-style class in any RPG that didn't feel underwhelming, honestly.

The one Bravely Default 2 was pretty busted
But nobody played BD2 so

Well anyway, I am at the end of my day here.
Honestly have half a mind to vote Wallz still, but that BG claim of his seems more probably now too.

And that leaves me with just ##Vote: FD

At the very least I dont think Lea was protection anymore.
Still Peaf has to check the DTC

Leafeon13N posted...

Why would you claim this.

Isnt it useless for scum now that everyone has claimed?

Town only getting a cop as a fulltime scanner seems weak too
I mean track/watch is good, but thats a 1off

Oh and not that I expected it, but these claims dont clash with my item.

Huh

2 nillas somehow sounds even less believable then 1
Or maybe Lea was a nilla too
Singer is a nilla with another name too I guess?
I dont have the mental capacity to analyze the possibilities now

He has votes in waiting

ctesjbuvf posted...

Why Ulti in particular? Several people has been vocal about this. But at least Red said there was no reason to (and he isn't mafia).

Just was the first person to make demands (strongly worded with a vote and all) whole you were around (and sheep was as well)
Its irrelevant now tho

Mfing ninja

Not gonna lie, I kinda dont like you ignoring Ulti's demands Ctes