Lurker > Corrik7

Ulti... would you say I would feel vindicated in that scenario?

Btw Ulti was a good scan if true.

It would be amusing to flip scum Crescent after her spiel earlier this game that I was scum trying to antagonize her when she really was the scum.

If Lea and Ulti are town, the game kinda becomes easy.

Town Death, Lea, Ulti, Corrik, IGCD, Isquen, Wall

Scum Peaf, Crescent, Red, or Sbell. 3 of these.

She did say Ulti was innocent her first post day 2 though.

Lea is faking being drunk.

I think I'll only vote Lea, peaf, ulti, or Crescent today.

Ain't no one lynching me. Don't delude yourself. Lol

htaeD posted...

That actually leads me to a realization I should have had before...

It was Ulti that pointed out Kirby's bad post to begin with.
The theory of Ulti being scum selling out Kirby is getting stretched rather thin here Corrik, especially if you are insinuating that Peaf is scum as well.

There is literally nothing wrong with Kirbys post. It's literally page 1 in the joke post.

Nobody and I mean nobody could have had a scum read on Kirby at that point unless it dealt with the sbell vote specifically. Which, I don't think Ulti even read in his clear skimming.

htaeD posted...

As far as I can see this is not the same situation Corrik.

It's your mindset. It wasn't the same situation then either.

Peaf isn't here so I present.

PeaceFrog posted...

Kirby would be my #2 if I can't get momentum behind a Lopen push. He's showing his entire ass already, it's impressive. Normally I need to ask people nicely to get that kind of view.

I went through day 1. At no point the entire day did Peaf ever mention Kirby before this post. Ever interact with Kirby. And Kirby barely posted a few times with jokes and ffxiv stuff before this.

He also tucks Kirby conveniently behind Lopen, who was town.

Lopen was relatively sure (who knows why) against peaf and lopen ended up dead.

Peaf has claimed a "scan" that is "useless" and I have checked multiple times for breadcrumbs and questioned him regarding things early to see if I was missing them.

I am... picqued.

Peaf you here? I have a question for you.

htaeD posted...

Anyway I checked Ulti and I feel like I wasted my time
Since all I saw re-affirmed my memory of him having the single minded demeanor or wanting to test out his power more than anything and he even zoned in on Kirby first.
Not wanting Sbell to die was his other priority sure, but that doesnt change much for me.
I guess he had Abacus in mind for a while as his second target until he learned that town Abacus tended to afk.

I do want to ask him why he picked me and Peaf as targets for his questions tho.

You "wasted your time" when I said Edumey was roleblocker too when I told you to consider him and you mislynched me. Grow, dude.

htaeD posted...

Honestly scum should stop being babies about watchers then

Watcher uses to be rare that no one would bat an eye. Too commonly used on board 8 now. Bring back detectives

Checkmate scum

Crescent wouldn't have targeted death n1 if scum. Death wasn't targeted n1. Ergo

Crescent-Moon posted...

Like, the only reason we found the cop night 1 in Smash is because we send out night actions despite Corrik's insistence that we don't use any.

Him not using an RB when there's no obvious target to roleblock is entirely plausible.

Lot of low percentage what ifs to get me to be scum when a simple scan night 1 could have nullified it all

PeaceFrog posted...

This 100%. Death, i don't know how you can say with a straight face that lynching corrik doesn't solve anything for us if he's scum.
If he's scum, then we know that scum either does not have a rb, or they used it on a vanilla.

How would I know if I hit a vanilla to claim it again

PeaceFrog posted...

The fact that sbell STILL has not claimed looks really, really bad

He should claim yes

PeaceFrog posted...

Your argument is that because wallz used bad role-related logic to try to save Kirby, it is a town point for him?

Yes. To err is to be town.

htaeD posted...

Oh now you're just being goofy Corrik.
You'd be one of the first to claim in a massclaim IMO.

Naw. I was roleblocked. I have no reason to claim.

Sbell is being lynched for not being here enough. What exactly has he done scummy?

Everyone besides me should claim though. That would undoubtedly find us a scum.

PeaceFrog posted...

Wallz tried to argue that potential cop was better than potential doc.

What are votals at?

ANd it's a point in him being town favor tbqh.

Isquen posted...

Mostly I'm suspecting Wallz because he was the other vote on Death that is still alive. And if he is indeed a tree stump, he can hang back and be a wallzflower.

##vote: wallmasterz

Bad reasoning. Let's not use role justification for why it's acceptable to be wrong and try to not be wrong.

htaeD posted...

Allthough Ulti didnt add the copvsdoc logic to his statement and did vote Kirby at least.

Once you claimed Doctor, Kirby was dead af.

Do you really think scum was gonna pile you to try and save Kirby there? Nah. I'd bet almost everyone on you was Town.

You can post from known alts in game. Red does it time to time.

ULTI Scum Jack. Director is a power. Give incentive to not rolescan him now... hmmmm.

Not bad, Ulti. Would you come up with that all by yourself though... doubtful. You would need a Lea or something to give you that idea.

htaeD posted...

I guess even if scum did have a scum miller, they wouldnt want to claim miller.

But if there is one, it just condemns them now lol

(Unless there is no rolecop)

But it would have likely claimed first post and died once the town godfather countered, so unlikely a scum miller exists. Too unfair to scum. Scum probably has a scum role that sounds like a town role though of another kind though.

wallmasterz posted...

scum Corriks scum team not roleblocking anyone and Corrik using that to confirm himself town? Sounds plausible. Not enough to entice me away from an sbell lynch but worth noting. Im also intrigued by Corriks focus on ulti with sbell on the chopping block. Sbell is town because ulti is scum?

Corrik, what would it mean about sbell if ulti flipped town? Not that Im sold on town ulti but he just doesnt make sense as todays lynch imo.

It would be NAI if Ulti was town. Sbell is town if Ulti is scum. If Ulti is town, he had no knowledge of Sbell's alignment when he made his choice and thus is not indicative at all to Sbell.

htaeD posted...

Thats another thing
Why did scumUlti spring it on me if I was around and Kirby was not?

Kirby was supposedly gonna have an ace claim to bury you. He also figured you wouldn't be willing to lie like I would if I was at risk as town and thus Kirby would be able to bury your weaker role. Oops.

Ulti's plan was both him and kirby coming out looking confirmed. At the very least, himself coming out looking confirmed.

Isquen posted...

Like I've fallen into role trapping before when it's just "vanilla but ~interesting~" before but meh. I can only assume there is indeed a role cop, and they're probably scum aligned.

It would almost undoubtedly be a town aligned role cop, fwiw. You are a defacto miller to the rolecop.

htaeD posted...

Kirby could also just have been trying to lure out an actual cop, perhaps considering it was not worth it to fight against a doc claim.

Nah. Kirby claimed it knowing no counter was coming. He just used shitty ass reasoning for it and you beat him to the doctor claim first. It's why Ulti goes all woe is me I can't believe this why do I play mafia in realizing his plan backfired by him choosing the doctor.

Yeah, Isquen is probably town tbqh.

Ok anyways...

Though scum miller with town godfather might be a bit cruel to scum, so if town godfather just no scum godfather or miller at all leading them to believe no town cop.

Hmmm.

htaeD posted...

Scum what now?

Someone claimed Town Godfather earlier this game. If we follow that logically, scum probably has scum miller. The cop doesn't exist as someone mentioned earlier and scum knew Rolecop was the likelier town scanning role, but no one would know that yet on town side, if ever.

htaeD posted...

And okay thats a fair error to bring up. And maybe I am over-estimating my chances against Kirby. But I liked to be optimistic about that.

Still its not without risk.

But either way it sounds more plausible to me that Ulti would do that if Sbell is scum, than if Sbell is town.

Ulti sure looks town if it was town Sbell there, eh?

Ulti was always using his power day 1 to "Confirm as town".

He has suicided day 1s to "confirm" his scummates as "town" and etc. Ulti is a... let me blow my load day 1 and "confirm" guy... though he never is actually confirmed... I am surprise he didn't say the flavor confirmed him town and missed the spoiler after saying the flavor had nothing to do with alignments lol.

town godfather and scum miller would suggest to scum that rolecop is the scanning role and not cop... which reminds me... someone outright mentioned rolecop this game earlier as well... which may have been a breadcrumb of some sort that I didn't piece together.

btw who did claim town godfather

PeaceFrog posted...

Man if he wanted to egg me on he really sucked at it

I'm having an eggsistential crisis, aren't I?

htaeD posted...

I think even though you are getting at concerns I did already voice about Ulti. That alone does not convince me to want to lynch him. Let alone lynch him first.

It just sounds kinda ridiculous that scumUlti would save town sBell to condemn scumKirby instead

And why is this directed towards me alone anyway?

STOP

You made a logical error.

He didn't condemn ScumKirby... he erroneously chose a Town Doctor to pair him up against. When ScumKirby possibly if the Town Godfather claim is true, knew that maybe a Town Cop didn't exist to freely claim it.

You are going from YOU KNOW you are TOWN DOCTOR. Ulti didn't know that when he chose you. You were Town who cares vs Scum Kirby. And, what better way to confirm as town then to have you flip town, Kirby be supposedly confirmed town Town Cop... (NO SCUM in the GLADIATE SO ULTI CAN"T BE SCUM).

Like, c'mon bro. Think about it from the angle, you are NOT Doctor and you ate the mislynch.

Leafeon13N posted...

You haven't really converted them to successful lynchings, but you've nailed me as scum pretty consistently(i dont quite know how).

Your referencing of ne here feels lazy and more like you are trying to egg peaf on. I would expect you to read me better and i find your thoughts on me extremely suspect.

Do you not trust my yikes read of you?

htaeD posted...

First of all, dont even try to pin last game's failure on me alone. For games before that you have even less reason to imply that. Your definition of teamwork is also weird and I dont know why you even need to get to know my personality after all these years.

I also dont know why you expect me to react neutrally to statements like that. It really did sound like a question purely meant to anger.
But no I am not just BigMad. I am seeing patterns that match up with your previous scumplay and acting on those.

But fine lets put all that aside, let me check this supposed Ulti demeanor you see.

But let it be clear.. I cannot know you are town. And no you dont need to repeat what you said (and neither will I)
The fact is just that, I do not know what you are.

You know I claimed roleblocked and that nobody else has. You know roleblocker is the most common mafia role.

I think you need big springs to jump that mountain of information before you.

If I am scum, I am probably telling you to lynch my scummate so you won't actually do it... as usual... lol Red you know that first hand from when we played together just a few games ago.

So, let's lynch Ulti! Whether I am scum or town, he is scum! Muwahaha.

Leafeon13N posted...

I just wanted to vote you, not being first was merely incidental circumstance.

Oh okay. You voted me. I am glad you accomplished that. Now, explain the opportunistic smell I emit through your computer to me please. = )

Death, do you really think Ulti of all people really believed he gladiated the Town Doctor and Town Cop with the immense low odds of that existing and thought he was so terrible at mafia and should never ever play again because he is so bad omg can you believe how bad Ulti is according to Ulti?

Ulti?

of all people?

Think about it.

Leafeon13N posted...

Because there is only so much time in a day. If i could actively post, read, and think all at once you could get every thought that passes through my head.

I don't understand why you felt the need to say you wanted to be the first vote. It's not becoming clearer.

I do wonder if scum Red would articulate he wanted to be the first vote on me when i am a mislynch, but the question is just why in general? Your reasoning is also "I smell opportunistic". Well, I am trying to vote the person everyone refuses to vote for today.

"Without being intelligent" - = (((

Like, that's a vague line of reasoning there, red.

htaeD posted...

I have never seen anyone ever ask that kind of question in mafia before.
Probably because its utterly pointless to ask it and also because its bordering on breaking the rules.

Asking about your personality isn't breaking the rules. You like to read into things the way you want to for sure.

What I need is for you to get over yourself and your mental block you have regarding me or your need to be different this game and play as a team with me this game so we can win. I'm tired of games being thrown because you don't want to work together and instead read into everything in weird ways to find some vendetta to act out against.

I am saying you are town.

I was roleblocked night 1. You know I am town. Nothing has superseded or went against that. You are an intelligent person, death, when you get past your reading into things. We need to work together. Ulti isn't a paradox. Ulti is a read on his comments and style of play day 1 that is not natural for him. The read makes Sbell town. You can instead of being argumentative, re-read ulti from right before he gladiated through the end of day 1, and see why I posted Ulti is scum at.

Analyze that instead of being big mad for no reason.

Leafeon13N posted...

Lea jumped me by voting you first.

Why does it matter if you were before lea or not and why didn't you do it before lea then if you were wanting to? Your wording around your vote is peculiar.

Leafeon13N posted...

The fuck are you talking about.

You said you wanted to vote for me before but didn't because "you got jumped".

What does you being voted for have to do with voting for me?

htaeD posted...

Man you love almost crossing the line.

I asked for a personality self-analysis of yourself to understand your demeanor towards people, especially in conversations. Do you have to be different than everyone else? Do you have to try and not listen to someone just because?

How many games in a row now have you done the opposite of what was right because you simply refused to listen to the others around you?

*shrug*

You do you, bud.

Leafeon13N posted...

##unvote
##vote: corrik

I was wanting to do this but got jumped. He smells opportunistic but not with the bit of intelligent town corrik usually displays.

Why were you afraid to do this if you were being voted yourself again?