Lurker > averagejoel

hockeybub89 posted...

You sure have a lot to say for someone who knows absolutely jack shit about anything or anyone. Good to know this is more serious than the Holodomor and other communist human rights atrocities.

can you please at least try to engage with the things that people are saying instead of posting this braindead shit

Supersex420 posted...

Summary?

they're gonna combine!

SHRlKE posted...

Thank you. To be fair my wife plays the game not me so I don't really have any skin in the game as I don't play it anyway.

I do hope you won't think of me as as being anti-trans as a result. I'd like to think as a community we've grown past the days of "you're either with me on 100% or against me". The trans subject is far too nuanced for everyone to agree on absolutely everything and it would be a shame to discount anyone just because they disagree on one item.

allyship isn't an absolute state of being. it mostly depends on how people from that community see you. (this is also why it's fucking weird to self-identify as an ally, but that's a separate point)

SHRlKE posted...

I dont tend to go in on the Cyric bandwagon as his heart is in the right place but (assuming Im reading it right) this whole - if you dont boycott Hogwarts you arent a true trans ally - train of though is something I dont agree with. Especially as has been pointed out we have people in the trans community who play it.

I could see how you would think this if you didn't actually read the reasoning behind it. I don't remember where I posted it exactly, but it's in this topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzVeai1P1H0

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however much hockeybub cares about the game, it's evidently more than he cares about his own solidarity with trans people

hockeybub89 posted...

You spent like half a dozen posts asking me to respond to a post I had responded to.

you didn't respond to the post though. you went off on a tangent and changed the subject to something else.

You're antagonistic in any HL topic you can find.

because it deserves the antagonism.

You refuse to respond to anything I say because I won't admit I fucked up and don't care about trans people.

no. or at least, only partly. it's mostly because you keep saying braindead irrelevant shit about how you're a better person than me

Revelation34 posted...

Why don't you actually post what you claim you're actually saying?

I did. multiple times. your and hockeybub's inability to understand it is your problem, not mine

KanWan posted...

Pathologic 2?

my thought was The Stanley Parable

I did some trumpet playing in the studio yesterday. a local R&B singer-songwriter that I play with is recording an album

hockeybub89 posted...

That's the only conversation I was ever trying to have since day 1,

yes I know. it's a really dumb, pointless conversation to be having, which is why it's really frustrating that you keep going back to it. it reflects poorly on you.

not "my trans friends asked me to not play the game, so you don't care about trans people if you play the game"

that is not something that I said. that is a strawman. it is something that you made up. in the future, try listening to the people involved and engaging with the things they actually say, rather than making stuff up.

anyway, kinda clarifying my earlier posts: physical attraction tends to become less important the longer you're in a relationship. so, while I probably wouldn't want to date someone in the first place if I wasn't physically attracted to them, I also wouldn't break up with someone just because I started to find them less physically attractive

I wouldn't go as far as to call the posts "deranged" -- he seems like a decent guy, and the things he posts, even at their worst, are just kinda weird and not fully comprehensible

MedeaLysistrata posted...

ok, but what if she sang waiting on the world to change?

I hate that song

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Most people are ugly by the time they're old. It's more important to find someone that you can tolerate for the long haul.

there's a difference between a relationship that begins at an older age and a relationship that begins younger where the people grow old together

https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/1638590804913721344

Revelation34 posted...

Sounds like it's the same one to me.

that's your problem. I suggest learning to read better.

hockeybub89 posted...

Why the hell would I do that when you people refuse to address this and have for months0? Like show me the roadmap how JK Rowling losing out on video game royalties will end this genocide, how it will cause <redacted> in America

that's an entirely different conversation. you would know that if you had been listening

hockeybub89 posted...

I'm not moving the goalposts. My argument from the very beginning was always "the entire world is collapsing, every fiber of my being, of every queer person's being is being attacked, and somehow we care about video games and some dumb bitch getting royalties?" The world is entirely hopeless without some significant and swift change, and that terrifies me. But let's still think boycotts will do something. Clearly less successful wizard games will end the tyranny of the GOP and save trans people. Their laws are clearly motivated by video game sales.

you haven't listened to a single word I've said

hockeybub89 posted...

Scenarios that aren't happening? I'm just saying that boycotting unnecessary things when asked isn't hard. All the people and companies I mentioned hurt people and/or fund those who hurt people. What makes Hogwarts Legacy inherently worse, and why does a boycott matter when we are in an active genocide. How does not buying a video game stop Ron Desantis or the entire GOP soon?

stop moving goalposts man. this is really pathetic

lettuce sucks. any other leafy green is better

cuttin_in_farm posted...

You should poll left leaning folk to see if they care about pronouns.

At least any pronouns beyond he/she/they.

Like, those are the only three thats needed. Youre either a boy, girl, or neither.

You can not just.. make up another one they/them already covers it. So to want another one implies you think youre super special or something and has discovered a new gender, which is absurd.

you do know that a pronoun is not the same as a gender, right

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

This dude thinks it's unfair discrimination to laugh at someones mother naming them Peterpaulenmary.

Discrimination is a skill you need to develop to function as an adult.

Calling someone an asshole for next to nothing is a pretty asshole thing to do, pal.

people getting made fun of for their name are not "generally" named "Peterpaulenmary." they are "generally" from a different country/culture/etc. where that name is more common.

AsucaHayashi posted...

not all pronouns are equal.

people laugh at or dismiss certain names all the time, literally no reason they can't laugh or dismiss pronouns the same way.

and, as is generally the case when people laugh or dismiss "certain names", they are being a discriminatory asshole and should be recognized as such

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Theres probably like 5 transgendered people in Wyoming total. This is so pointless and stupid and overall ignorant

google tells me wyoming's population is about 578 000.

another site tells me that wyoming has 241 trans people per 100 000.

that would come out to about 1400 trans people in wyoming. that's a fair bit more than 5!

lies! the only one I didn't know existed was "co"!

hockeybub89 posted...

Well of course not, but America is alreqdy being destroyed by anti-trans, anti-LGBTQ politicians and we're like "maybe we'll send a message if we deny one rich British transphobe a royalty check for a video game she didn't make". Will that message be received before or after everyone is fucking dead from oppressive laws?

that is not an accurate assessment of what is happening here and you know it, because I have already explained it to you multiple times. your refusal to listen is telling, and extremely ironic given that you've repeatedly told me not to act "like a conservative"

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

This is really puzzling to hear because the only reason this argument exists is your own inability to just move on with your day and stop caring about being judged. You could have just said your piece on the game and ignored anyone saying shit about you, but here you are making a thread go to 250 posts out of a desperate need to prove something.

not to prove anything. to adamantly insist that he's not a bad person for valuing a video game based on a book for 10-year-olds, which he even admits he does not "give a flying fuck about", more than he values his solidarity with trans people.

Tmaster148 posted...

The strangest thing about the hyper focus on a video game is that these people act like JK Rowling is the sole source of trans hate.

no we're not. you made that up.

I have explained that as well, also multiple times.

hockeybub89 posted...

Although Cyric tells me it's wrong to treat life like Mass Effect, I've said many times (only in response) that I already do more than zero. So why do zero effort/zero risk things matter? Why would zero even do anything?

I have explained why, multiple times. your refusal to listen is also pretty significant and judgeworthy

hockeybub89 posted...

It's a fucking video game purchase. Get back to me when I'm racist, or... literally anything of significance. You're allowed to judge me when I do something bad, not make up bullshit to justify some ridiculous crusade, like our culture war conservative "friends".

refusing to show the bare minimum amount of solidarity for trans people, which again, would have required zero effort and zero risk from you, and then continuously defending this decision for several weeks, is pretty significant and judgeworthy for someone who claims to be an ally to trans people!

hockeybub89 posted...

You have a blindspot. Joel has been instigating and baiting in these topics for months, just like gunplagirl was, but you don't have issue with it if you believe it is for the right reasons. But I need to stop doing something because OMG some bigots also bought the game. Yeah, and maybe I'll sell all my games since some gamers are misogynistic and racist and it's bad optics.

this is such a drastic misunderstanding of this whole scenario that there is 0 chance you are even operating in good faith

lilORANG posted...

Found the bassist. It's OK brah. Ladies still dig it.

I'm not a bassist. I am a professional musician though, which is how I know you're wrong

lilORANG posted...

In your standard 4-piece band, it's absolutely the least important component. It largely gets drowned out by the other parts too.

this is... about as false as it's possible to be. bass is in control of both time and harmony

hockeybub89 posted...

Stop doing this conservative bullshit. If you can't apply your logic 100% of the time, then don't share your opinions. You know it falls apart the moment it is applied elsewhere, so you hide behind "fallacies". God damn do people need to stop sharing so many opinions. The Internet has caused everyone to stop feeling shame. Something else to blame on Trump.

Besides, I already addressed it (#155) anyways, but you'll just say I'm lying or that it's not enough because you've convinced yourself that buying the game is immoral and therefore no one would buy it if they weren't full of shit. Cyric even made a snide remark about me "bragging" about it.

nope. try again

hockeybub89 posted...

Some anti-racists have asked people to stop participating in "digital blackface". Does that mean anyone who still posts memes that feature black people is racist-adjacent? A true black ally would never post the "tapping finger on temple" meme again since not posting memes is the bare minimum one could do for the cause?

this is not addressing the points I made in post 118. try again, this time without whataboutism

hockeybub89 posted...

I admitted I did it. You want me to admit I did wrong and beg for forgiveness. I have to be in lockstep with everything any person within a group I claim to support asks me to, or I'm a fraud with bad morals?

no, I want you to admit you did wrong and change your behaviour going forward.

I've told you time and again that I don't value boycotts, against anything. I don't believe one must start at the ground floor, and especially not when the genocide has already begun. You can ask me "Why not do the small and insignificant?" and I say "Why do the small and insignificant at all?" That's some Hollywood liberal pandering shit.

cool. now actually address the points I made in post 118.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I did not lie

Police Story 3

Prestoff posted...

Mother of god, would you guys stop feeding the both of them? Averagejoel was obviously posting in bad faith to bait a response and Cyricz will continue to post in his "houlier than thou" attitude. This discussion about the boycott has been done to death already, no need to kick the dead horse again.

it wasn't bad faith, and it was not to bait a response

Tmaster148 posted...

The boycotters were never about furthering the interest of trans people. It was always performative posturing so they could justify attacking people who like Harry Potter, because they don't.

For some reason they can't stand that people like something they don't.

wow, this sure is an inaccurate, disingenuous caricature of the actual thought process involved in not buying a video game! if that was your goal, you succeeded!

Tmaster148 posted...

Certainly not the person defending the side of harassment. Side with joel all you want. You're stating that you believe harassment is okay if it's towards the "right" people.

some people do deserve to be harassed, yes

Tmaster148 posted...

I've been told to kill myself by someone parading against Hogwarts Legacy. Maybe you should consider picking your allies more carefully.

unless you're insinuating that that person was me (it wasn't) shut the fuck up

CyricZ posted...

At least own up to your behavior.

this is one of the things that gets me. particularly about hockeybub

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Tu quoque is an informal fallacy...

yes it is. I haven't been engaging in it though

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Yeah idk. It is an easy thing to do but most people don't really see patterns in everything and probably fail to see how buying this game or not buying it gets anything done.

which is why I have explained it multiple times

Revelation34 posted...

Nobody has ever done anything wrong by buying a video game.

I don't care what you think

MedeaLysistrata posted...

If I asked you to show solidarity for something you would likely call me off my rocker

depends on context. I certainly wouldn't do that if the show of solidarity involved something as easy and risk-free as not buying a video game

Gwynevere posted...

But it's also not your call to make either. You say he's not an ally, I say his history suggests that he is an ally. Trying to paint this as some objective measurement of who gets to an ally to trans people is utterly pointless

that isn't what I'm doing. I made no calls myself. I pointed out that, if trans people can't trust him to show a little bit of solidarity that involves 0 effort and 0 risk on his part, they probably can't trust him with things that involve more effort and risk. his history in refusing to acknowledge this does not, in fact, suggest that he is an ally.