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I literally picked the top 10 franchise movies of last year. There isnt a better representative sample to pick from

A lower received jurrasic world movie making less is ok but the genre is on its way to dying if a worse received thor movie makes less than a well received one?

The pre endgame movies also didnt have streaming releases to cut off their legs, essentially telling watchers you could wait 2 months, watch at home

Anyways im done, youre stuck to your argument when movies in general are in a weird spot but the conclusion is that its all a fad. Youll get no more responses from me, tbh youve gotten too many as is

HornyLevel posted...

Like literally Kevin Feige has admitted they've been throwing too much at us and it isn't working and they'll be moving towards more quality over quantity.

That is fair and I agree but he didnt say the genre is dying. A studios quality will suffer if one man has to oversee 4 shows and 4 movies in a year. Doesnt mean the genre is dying

Youre messaging as much and committed to an argument that applies across the board to all movies but only comic book movies are dying apparently. Heres the top movies of 2022 no comic book movies

Avatar 2: made less than 1
Top gun maverick: made more than 1
Jurrassic world dominion: made less than the one before
Minions rise of gru: less than the last title in that franchise
Puss in boots all time franchise low
Fantastic beasts dumbledore all time franchise low
Sonic the hedgehog 2 made more than 1
Lightyear low by pixar and toy story standards

After that its all original movies. One out of nowhere movie went up and another movie went up in sonic but it still had lower overall number than most comic book movies, so a jump is easier. All franchises in general are down but only comic book movies are dying?

Dr strange 2 beat strange 1 (and probably inflation adjusted). Thor love and thunder beat unadjusted ragnarok in the regions it could. These other movies cant even beat predecessor movies without inflation. Guess sci fi is dead. Dinosaur movies dead, children movies dead

I welcome the coming of flight movies and video game movies

HornyLevel posted...

You have to be trolling at this point. There's a big difference between looking at the inflation between two fucking sequels 5 years apart, and looking at movies from several decades ago where the inflation exceeds 100%.

Youre trolling that you want a mixed to bad rated thor movie to make 1 billion with less regions available, les movies goers in general compared to movies that didnt have streaming releases 2 momths later to not be considered a flop. Your bar for a bad thor movie is 1 billion and if it doesnt meet that, the genre is dying

Inflation is higher, cinema movie goers have stagnated or decreased. Inflation adjusted numbers are extremely difficult to match or even come close to.

It isnt only comic book movies that cant make as much as their predecessors adjusted for inflation. Thats across the board for all movies

Disney should never make a star wars movie ever again, they will never be able to match a new hopes 3.7 billion inflation adjusted box office. Every movie will be a flop

HornyLevel posted...

The inflation argument was not addressed. Inflation from 2017 to 2022 was 25%.

Adjusted for inflation, those just made even more money than I listed.

And yes, the product life cycle pretty much matches the MCU and DC grosses up to now outside a few outliers.

Gone with the wind the most successful movie ever confirmed. You dont see forever growth in franchises. James cameron must be crying because avatar 2 couldnt beat avatar 1 or avatar 1 couldnt beat titanic with inflation.

VampireCoyote posted...

Everyone makes mistakes he is being accused of slapping his girlfriend during an argument. Thats not cool but I dont think it should end his career. I mean how many women slap or hit their partner during an argument and face no consequences or judgement at all

Im pretty sure she has visible beat marks, its more than a slap

HornyLevel posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/6/AAW_B8AAEUZU.png

So wheres the comedy genre now? Horror? Action movies?

First the inflation argument was addressed, now the youre dropping the product life cycle? Glad you took an introductory business course

I dont even see what argument youre trying to make. Comic book movies outside of team ups never made top gun maverick numbers

There were years where comic book movies lost out to transformers and fats and furiois movies. Was the genre dying then? Avatar beat all of them, did the genre die then?

If a well made movie starring a major comic book character (not ant man, or shazam or black adam or even shuri) comes out and does disappointing numbers, then theres troubling signs but to write off the genre because of a bad antman movie is silly

HornyLevel posted...

Maverick is not a bar. It's the fact that a sequel to a 36 year old meh movie can garner that much, when superheros are supposed to be such a big thing.

People found that a fresher experience to go and watch than superhero movie #500.

I think you guys don't understand what a downward trend means, and are getting preemptively defensive. I am predicting what will happen in the next year or two. Let's wait and maybe see before you guys say anything definitive to counter my predictions. Again, I am completely open to conceding if it doesn't pan out.

Top gun maverick made more than every super hero movie ever minus avengers, infinity war, endgame and spiderman no way home. May have missed one

By that logic every dc movie, xmen movie, and all but 4 mcu movies are flops. Top gun maverick numbers are reserved for well received big team up movies only

HornyLevel posted...

First off, I was responding to TC. I didn't see your post.

And honestly, resorting to "kid" is a sign to not take seriously, but I'll entertain it anyway. I'm not sure why someone would get hostile over comic book movie predictions, but whatever.

All of those were beat by Maverick.

Again, the point is not that it's gonna happen all at once. It's a slow trend downwards as less and less people bother. Blockbusters are the only movies worth going to the theaters for, so blockbusters still being big movies doesn't exactly mean anything.

And I'll gladly accept I was wrong if things go the opposite of what I predict. @ me then.

Out of the last 4 superhero movies, 3 were a complete flop. Again, things like GotG will do great and buck the trend. But most of these will do horribly, and it's pretty obvious that people are kind of fed up.

Taking a break is a good thing.

The entire comic book genre is a flop and dead (or was never even alive) if top gun maverick is the bar. Only 3 or 4 team up movies beat that

What are these last 3 or 4. If you mean black adam, shazam 2 and ant man 3. I agree they were flops but also have bad reviews and fab reception. Doesnt mean the genre is dying. If 3 bad horror movies come out in a row, does that mean the genre is dying? If guardians 3 and the flash have great reception and disappoint at the box office then the alarms should be raised on the genre

HornyLevel posted...

These all underperformed according to their respective companies. I'm not the one determining this.

Just taking Thor as an example, this was movie with the Guardians advertised, and even with China and Russia, would have made the same as Ragnarok, and it would be ignoring 6 years of inflation.

Regardless, it's pretty obvious to anyone not blind that superhero shit is reaching a burning out point, and it's starting to show. I fully expect GotG 3 and Deadpool 3 to break some records, but again it's downhill from now, and we can revisit this in the next year or two, and talk about how I was right.

First there is lies. There is no indication ever of marvel being unhappy with thor love and thunder or dc being unhappy with batman box office, hell marvel is probably happy thor 4 did what it did given the vitriol for that movie online. Thor ragnarok was also universally praised and love and thunder very divisive to maybe even negative.

Tracking box office and inflation isnt one to one or as simple as you make it out to be. Adjusted for inflation, gone with the wind will never be beaten in box office. Adjusted for inflation, avatar the way of the water is a flop because it didnt make as much as the original (even wjthout inflation it didnt). The truth is comic book movies top at 1 billion-ish unless its a team up or some massive critic reception. Movies dont make more and more forever.

Its more likely mediocre movie fatigue as both dc and marvel have put out a few too many movies below their standard

HornyLevel posted...

Every single MCU movie has underperformed since Endgame except for No Way Home, which was basically Spider-Man's Endgame for the time being.

BP was $1.35 billion, while WF was $850, and that was the best performing one. The Batman did $750 million, while the shitter DKR did $1 billion 11 years ago. TDK did $1 billion 15 years ago.

It's not gonna happen all at once, and there will always be standouts, but the trajectory is downhill.

Endgame is the 1st or 2nd highest of all time, everything is bad in comparison

Black widow- released on disney plus same day.

Shang chi and eternals, pandemic era movies where all movies made much less. I watched shang chi where theatre capacities were less and every one had to be seated a seat apart and be masked the whole time

Dr strange 2 made much more than dr strange 1

Thor love and thunder made more than ragnarok in the regions where both released. Overall only lost because of china and russia not playing it

Black panther 2 starring shuri, wonder why it made less. Numbers without context are meaningless. BP1 was an oscar best picture nominee, 2 was not

Ant man is a mixed to bad reviewed movie. If it were a good movie and made the same, then Id be worried

The batman made less. In between the dark knight rises and the batman was years of dc brand damage

HornyLevel posted...

It's pretty clear that it's not really these controversies hurting them, but just that the superhero fad is starting to die.

There's only so many times you can do the same fucking shit with different superheros.

They should both take a break for 5 or so years. DC has that opportunity soon. Marvel will have it after the next Avengers saga ends.

Is it a fad if super hero movies have been popular for 20 years?

Are we writing off the super hero genre when a shazam and ant man movie flop? 2 C/D listers? If a well received spiderman/avengers/batman/xmen movie flops then its worrying signs...that or if well received movies dont come anymore

Srk700 posted...

Jonathan Majors (who plays Kang in the MCU) was accused of assaulting a woman recently.

Not sure who the other person is though.

Victoria alonso, supposedly second or third at marvel studios had a messy firing this week

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I agree but this a controversial decision amongst fans

Mind you I theyll be fine but

-reboot of Dceu not going well with fans
-bad box office results for dceu
-almost got taken over by the rock
-multiple actor problems

-ant man being low rated
-firing of key member
-main villain of next phase actor assaulting women
-fan reception to recent phase lower than other phases
-vfx teams being abused

Guardians 3 seems to have a lot riding for both. For marvel they need a win after the last few onscreen and offscreen blows. Dc needs guardians 3 to be good because that guy is taking over their franchise

__aCEr__ posted...

We're in all kinds of crazy different universes and time travel shenanigans right now. Just cast someone different. He's introduction movie was for a mid-tier character and it sucked anyway so who's even going to care if it's someone else?

Yrah spiderman no way home already set the story precedent that the same character can be very different in each universe. This isnt the end of the world. Release loki as is as he is already filmed and change the actor to someone else after

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If they are, I wont support it

That said, Im confident in saying this but not 100%. They are just saying that right now not to derail the hype for the flash. If you come out and say is Ezra is done after the flash, there may be people who say "why watch if this wont be relevant anymore". So theyre probably just avoifing straight up saying flash wont be played by ezra. Gunn even tried to deny recasting shazam not to derail the movie

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Ezra Miller did way worse and his stupid movie is still coming out. Majors and the MCU will be fine.

The movie was filmed before ezra did all the things he did. Its not realistic to scrap it or re-shoot without him. Its not ezras film, it belongs to many. I have no problem if its already filmed and they release it, I'll still watch it. Im done with DC if they keep Ezra afterwards

Bag fumble and hope the victim is ok

While for marvel this is a disaster, kangs are variants. Loki season 2 is in a shit spot but its filmed and done, spiderman is different actors in other universes, kang can be too

Iron man made 500mil. Avengers endgame 3 bil almost. People may eventually have gone back and watched in order but iron man 1 doesnt have to be your starting point

Youre more likely to turn someone off a franchise if you say "do homework first"

Just watch it, fans of series will make you do homework and when you have a mountain to catch up, you might choose not to. If you enjoy it, just go back and start again

I dont know anyone who started the MCU with the first iron man

I dont think its bad. Its not great but its not even the worst thor movie

6/10, had more ups than downs but marvel gave taika too much freedom

Sifia vergara or salma hyek

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I like it, thrones one is more rewatchable but its fun tracking who is in each intro

That one guy sure was chill about his kid getting snatched away by a giant monster but it was cute when they reunited

Poor kid took massive Ls, got his ass shot up by grogu in front of everyone then got kidnapped by a space dragon right away

Fun episode, much better than last weeks

Was tienku supposed to be unconcsious the whole time

Or he could have teleported, fused with Kaibito and come back

I still dont know why goku thought fusing with hercule would be enough to challenge that version of buu

Just seeing westeros with the awesome music on a Sunday night knowing you're about to watch something awesome (for 6/8 seasons at least) and emotional. The score is iconic. So glad House of the Dragon kept it

Also watching the MCU logo while looking for who made it this time. You know you're in for a fun epic time (most of the time), especially in a packed crowd

Sadly never played black, only og and sigma but it is the GOAT action game

All of them and damn, the quality really ranges

What was the twist

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Are we talking NOW or of all time?

All time?

Spider-Man
Wolverine
Hulk
Deadpool

Post MCU?

Spider-Man
Iron Man
Captain America
Black Panther

All time factoring in everything i cluding mcu

Irony posted...

I could easily survive if movies disappeared forever

Sure but this is "I dont like something so no one should"

Why do people want theatres to die so badly, streaming is also bursting. Do you want to watch nothing? Do you think streaming could support big budget movies?

No u3? Damn

Which woman makes it?

Scarlett witch? Storm? Rogue? Captain marvel?

Hulk and deadpool were rough cuts

Thor makes if mount rushmore had 8 spots

Big_Nabendu posted...

1 loss?
He lost to dooku twice

His second loss wasnt complete yet, anakin just disposed of dooku but even if we count it, its 3:2

He didnt lie

He has a winning record against the sith

3 wins

1 loss (and 1 when he is a senior and doesnt care anymore which I wont count)

k1zzl3_82 posted...

Is this a popularity contest, who has done more for marvel comics in general or who has done the most in the marvel universe?

You choose how you want to define it. Mount rushmore sort of encompasses everything. Popularity, recognizable, great stories, etc

Which 4 rise to the top of the pile. Over movies, tv, cartoons, comics, games

Spiderman for sure, only one with no debate

Wolverine has to be there

I think the mcu pushed iron man and captain america into the other 2 spots

imjusthere4fun posted...

I need to watch quantumania

Its not bad but not great

6/10. One of the weaker mcu movies

Xerun posted...

Yep. Times have changed and the same stuff doesnt hit as much. Quantumania wasnt great. But if I had to pick between Ironman 2 or it, it wouldnt even be a discussion

I take quatumania but it is a discussion for me

Episode 1- solid but nothing amazing. Let the droid stay dead, he had a good ending but its star wars and if youre popular, youre story will continue

Episode 2- too dark

Episode 3- starring that doctor guy from season 1

It has been bad, but not great either

bknight posted...

Not going to see a Marvel or DC movie until X-Men and F4, will need Dr. Doom and Magneto to get me interested again.

I still find it funny that thor love and thunder made more than any xmen or f4 movie

Zikten posted...

Theaters need to die out. I just want new movies to be instantly streamable

You wont get any big budget movies, no way thru can be made if theres no box office revenue