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Also for that theory about SBell's flip and Sultan getting that description since it doesn't mention Fice T by name.

I don't think it holds. It's word by word exactly what you get for using tattle on him. A lot of tattles does mention characters by name. Gourmet Guy to name one. Also the description doesn't match Sultan's flip at all, it's not a glimpse, it's a lot of knowledge about the person.

I was trying to read plum's post to see if it made sense he was Klevar Vanilla.

I don't think there's anything that doesn't track though Plum had been very against Ben despite the knowledge that the more star spirits there are, the more utility does Ben's supposed role have.

Also the amount of supposed vanillas is starting to get into numbers where you raise eyebrows.

It's a shame that I slept a bit late today so that red left again. And that Death is dead.

But for some hours with just me.

I actually like the idea of a Jr. Troopa role counterpart to Mario. When you first fight him it's basically a tutorial you can only win. Then next time he hides in his shell but hammer hits him. He starts flying later but your boots get stronger and so you can still hit him. When he gets both the spike and fly your standars attacks don't work unless you have some specific badges to counter it. Some of your partners can still hit him. Anyway, the idea here is some role that can upgrade itself to be immune to jump or hammer down the line. He also gets a wand later on. Given he keeps getting defeated but gets back maybe he can be succesfully hit without dying or something. Perhaps Jr. Troopa would make the most sense as independent given he kinda is and the mafia is specifically called Koopa Troop here. I can see it work. Not sure what he should do beyond just trying to not die to Mario but I'm sure a host could work something out.

This has been it for flavor speculation with Ctes.

If Sultan targeted anyone I don't think he made it very clear. Seemed like Ben at first but later on it seems pretty apparent he did not.

LeonhartFour posted...

We were also both wondering how they shot that scene in front of a live audience.

Pretty sure I remember reading that they got around having a live audience for that particular scene.

I can't find any post from Kirby that hints towards being Luigi or backup.

Though I can find that he criticizes Ben for not doing exactly that.

The best thing I can think of when you say that is Jr. Troopa who initially can be jumped and hammered, but as you encounter him a bunch of time he's eventually immune to both standard attacks as he can fly and has a spike on his head.

He's not part of the Koopa Troop though, he does his own thing.

Both jump and hammer work on Koopa Bros I'm pretty sure.

I don't want to try to make too much sense of the mechanics of those actions, they are likely not completely in line with the game.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It also implies that every Scum (except one???) is killable by Jumping?

I guess strongman means it's more likely to be successful?

Plus it kinda looks like trying to out an actual flavor scanner.

Before rereading anything before today, I will say

I have an extremely difficult time seeing Kirby acting the way he did yesterday wrt to Ben's claim if he knew he could inherit Mario powers at the time. Title of role be damned, that doesn't track.

Peace___Frog posted...

Maybe I'm going crazy but I'm not really clear what you're saying here.

That works. It was mostly explaining a blown mind. The line about you wasn't too serious but referenced that you said something at one point that made me consider if you slipped.

I'm not sure where my head goes with all of the claims. They almost all seem kinda bad to me honestly, Ben's, Kirby's, Hb's and Ulti's. But Ulti's mostly due to how he talked about it with respect to Ben's. I think statistically just shooting there has good chances of hitting scum. Dumey doesn't look great imo. Even Peaf made an attempt at throwing himself into the scum options.

Hopefully when I read back on some stuff tomorrow, there'll be a path to follow.

Posting recently completely broke on the Samsung internet app for me, in particular quoting, but it works fine on the Chrome app fortunately.

Well I got my answer.

Chaeix posted...

I think you meant flavour but yes I forgot we dont have Hbs flavour

Yes, meant to say flavor role.

Chaeix posted...

so outside of Han and ctes the info we dont have is:

plum - role and flavor
red - role and flavor
dumey - role

so close to a full mass we can do it

Give Ctes a friendly reminder, did Hb say his role and not just non-star vanilla?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

To be fair, I don't believe you ever fight Gourmet Guy. Could be that, since he isn't in battle, he isn't treated as a hittable enemy?

You don't no, you give him cake and he helps you out, basically. Given how a glimpse of flavor was described and how Gourmet Guy is basically the only good Shy Guy, he sounds a bit miller like to that event.

Peace___Frog posted...

Ctes can you get your eyes checked

No need they are pretty bad lol.

Hey Kirby, so you say your hammer missed, what were you then told when it missed?

I get the similarities but Han and I are at least a case where we both agree that we've said what we believe should be said and we were the ones to bring it up ourselves.

What do you think happens if you flavor claim, Dumey?

But you're saying the same thing after that half day where I wasn't around due to personal things and after a day where I've been around all day and the other two might as well not have posted at all. It reads as flinging things out without consideration.

Stop putting me in that pile. For being European I am basically always around.

Lol

HanOfTheNekos posted...

At least at this pace, I'll be able to put together my breakdown before the mass happens.

Ctes, want to claim for me after I claim for you?

Sure but I would still prefer not to at all today.

masterplum posted...

It's possible they do know.

If a role flipped showing they know that would be the silver bullet evidence Ben's role is plausible

But unlikely

But we have people saying they are vanilla and not star spirit

Chaeix posted...

Its more that if we accomplish the same thing by testing someone else, we leave our weak cop alive to scan a star spirit

Only star spirits being vanilla without scum knowing would be the most ridiculously unfair thing I had the seen and I once got mislynched being Lopen was insane phychic. I refuse to believe it's possible.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Not as terrible as an Insane Cop! But not as good as a regular Cop.

Insane Cop might just be better because it can figure out it's insane and then be good.

Chaeix posted...

Does lynching Hb or Peaf test Ben?

Given the value of Ben's role, I think if you doubt Ben you lynch Ben instead of testing him first.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Can anyone not on mobile give me votals?

Or someone on mobile is fine of course, just why I am not doing it myself.

Can anyone not on mobile give me votals?

Plum, you said earlier that if it was scum Han, it would still be scum Ben.

I'm telling you that this is definitely town Han based on a n2 action of mine.

Why would you rather vote Han than Ben?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ctes, I know you said it was okay for me to do it last night, but if it comes down to it, are you okay with me claiming for you? (I know timezones can be a bear)

Or would you insist on claiming for yourself?

If it makes sense, I'd say it's just as fine that it's you.

I would full claim if I wasn't almost completely convinced it would do more harm than good and I understand why people are asking that, but I am getting pretty hired of hearing that I just said "trust me Han is town" because I have outed myself a bit to make that statement since otherwise I believe the day would be derailed heavily and early votes seem to confirm that. Especially since yesterday JC said "I moved" and everyone jumped off.

I would also still love to hear this line of thought.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Let me ask you something, Dumey. Han suggested you convinced him of voting me and your response was that you had very little reason to, only our Lea accusation misunderstanding (in lack of better thing to call it), yet voted for me anyway later on, on the other side of me having a chance to claim, how did I suddenly become your most wanted lynch?

EDumey posted...

And with that said, since apparently Ctes is not going to clear you today, then I will have to consider both you and Ctes as scum for the remainder of the day. It would be foolish of me not to.

Why would you do that more if I specified the action more? You would still only have our word.

Peace___Frog posted...

I misspoke with a mental shortcut - I'm assuming that it doesn't kill stars. I'm no flavor expert obviously, but the wording of "resists" hammers and jumps would align to characters that otherwise give Mario power ups or whatever.

So instead of town/scum possibilities, it's stars/not stars, where stars are a subset of town and not stars are either town or scum. It adds ambiguity to the result to balance the repeatability of the actions.

I assumed based on the gameplay of the game that it was based on more on species which I think Kirby already talked a bit about. Flying enemies generally can't be hammered and spiked enemies generally can't be jumped. Stuff like that.

Like if you want to convince me it's Hb I'm all ears but if it boils down to hasn't done much then I'm probably not gonna do much with it today.

Doesn't mean I would not want to see more of Hb but that's besides the point.

And I said probably town for a reason

EDumey posted...

This is Ctes restating the same argument literally everyone gave back in Topic 2, but multiple people (not just myself, this includes people like flipped town Death!) have stated that HB has done very little since then and just coasted on the town cred that everyone loudly and publicly gave him. Ctes giving a free pass here with just a blanket "he has made some posts giving me town vibes" is a substantively empty read of HB here.

I was the first one to use that argument back then so what's your point?

This is more than just "trust me". We could've just not suspected each other today, but Han had already made it clear it was based on an action of mine when I woke up and I fully agree that it was best to say it's not just gut feel. I get you want more information to be able to determine if this is BS or not, but you'd have to do that with full information as town as well. Scum however obviously already knows this is not made up, but this way they don't have as many puzzle pieces.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I actually do think Ben is mafia flavor scanner, but I learned a really hard lesson in Dota 2 about killing the only claimed scanner, so unless someone else does something Im not touching him. ctes knows where Im coming from on that one I think :(

Won't forget in a long time lol. But that was an example of a mass claim that actually cost town the game because it resulted in two mislynches. Of course, Lopen's role that game was of a different caliber, but I still think it shows that there are better times to put all info out there than others.

Fwiw, Ben is not the only claimed scanner.

Most of Hb posts early reads as frustrated and now wrong town to me. In particular fighting for the Sultan lynch on day 1. Occasionally since he has made some posts giving me town vibes. Lack of contribution or not standing out is the biggest thing against him imo and I don't think that means something bad. I have seen him a surprisingly manner times with some scanner role that he usually resolved much of his play around, so maybe this is just not having that to go.

I don't think there has been anything particular about Kirby recently and I didn't say that. I said "at some point of the game" it was a stance I took on day 1. I immediately followed up with willingness to accept some of those were wrong too even. I just don't have anything as concrete I want to follow here as with several of the other players.

I don't get all of Han's play either, some of it has made sense rereading, some of it I still don't think was good play, but this would not be the first time that would show to not be alignment indicative. Han in particular often plays in ways to fish for reactions.

In general, I feel like more often than not making confusing or incorrect sequences of thoughts ends up being town because scum are more careful about how they tread. Not a rule or anything but yeah.

That's fair I was just explaining what I was pretty certain he meant.
Peace___Frog posted...

How. How how how.

Han in the last topic saying that i brought his name off just to jump out is SO disingenuous. And in post 456 he's like hmmmm maybe peaf isn't as town as i thought if plum is scum... you're f***ing joking. I made a case against my top suspect. I then commented on the ONE OTHER MAJOR THING HAPPENING SINCE THE DAY HAD STARTED NOT EVEN 2 HOURS EARLIER. And then I stayed up for an extra hour and a half to entertain him. There is no f***ing way you can say "eh it's just scummy that peaf brought up my name then left :)"

I apologize but I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.

Peace___Frog posted...

I'm just waking up and catching up but

What the fuck game are you reading dude

He's not suggesting it as something that could've happened, he's suggesting that 5 scum would not make sense because of how quickly that makes town lose if Sultan blows up Lea and himself.

masterplum posted...

Ctes Im going to need more than that. If you are town scum already knows you are telling the truth and are going to die so I need to know how exactly confirmed town Han is, because it wouldnt be the first time someone claimed confirmed town when really it was just an innocent scan or something

I tried to compare to how confirmed Cody's burn was, which was basically host confirmed. It is technically possible that Han is scum but it is almost impossible. If I die, this information is not lost, it simply means I'm not going to be able to provide more information. Also there is a chance that we get the RB today which means one of JC and I will have something.

I really don't think there is any purpose of me claiming at this instance. I get the comfort in knowing everything for solving. But all that's important really just is that I was able to confirm Han town last night using an action that was not possible for me to use the first night, which seems fair since Han was also able to confirm me town with it. I don't mean to hide information here but I doubt the situation at hand would be much different if I actually claimed because any additional information here doesn't change the situation and shouldn't make any of you trust it more if you don't know while it might benefit scum knowing exactly how it works. When I say confirm it's within the same certainty as when I said it was almost impossible for Cody to lie about being burned yesterday when there was host confirmation about PMs being delayed. It is almost impossible for Han to not be town. And JC, I get the point about being able to RB one of us and then kill the other, but you should be able to figure out my action for my flip if it comes to that, and who knows, maybe we can hit RB today.

So the current stance of the game for me is

Han is town
JC is town
Ctes is town
Peaf is probably town
HB is probably town

Kirby, plum and to a lesser extent red has at some points of the game given me reason to think they are town, though I'm also willing to believe I have been wrong about someone. Ben is obviously in a weird place but I doubt the role exists, or at least, if it does, that it isn't simply Kammy Koppa or Bowser with a similar mission. I think correct play last night would have been actually scanning Ulti because either result there had at least conditional use. I can see both being scum. Ben mentioning that SBell and Ulti couldn't be scum together because of the replacement comments was always off to me.

Finally, there's Dumey, who at this point is pretty hard to picture not being part of any scum team. If not then he has certainly been unfortunate with how things have gone. But I also don't think it's just PoE. Let me ask you something, Dumey. Han suggested you convinced him of voting me and your response was that you had very little reason to, only our Lea accusation misunderstanding (in lack of better thing to call it), yet voted for me anyway later on, on the other side of me having a chance to claim, how did I suddenly become your most wanted lynch?

I think only star spirits being vanillas should be thrown permanently out of the window. It would be ridiculously unfair.

I'm pretty sure I was the one to first bring up that theory struggling to have scum reads but it was in a post where I was already wrong about at least SBell.

I would heavily prefer not to claim atm.