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Team Tails

Tails having a heal does probably keep Sonic in it and with the elite scouting skills of that duo Ray can crush the enemy team on the approach other than maybe TLW and Aigis and the Rays healing factor makes that a hellaciously difficult fight with sonic able to run interference.

AriaOfBolo posted...

I think what that means is Tails is gonna revive RAY with the power of friendship if it gets killed

Well yeah theres the "sonic literally might will himself back to life to impress tails angle"

Ditto for the ray

And if all else fails and somehow Mewtwo and Sonic are both dead....tails can fly and scout well. He does those things literally all the time for sonic.

Kamekguy posted...

This is probably what I'd base Sonic durability respect on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW33q8YW-jI

Which is "good that he lived... but he passes out from this".

So y'know, extrapolate from there how Tails tries to power of friendship Sonic to consciousness or whatever.

Oh wait tails is here? That actually does matter for this I think lol

I think for me this does boil down to whether I think Sonic survives the dual tech

If he does and can scout the approach of Team Trevor the Ray is just gonna wreck face here.

Permanently regenning Ray err KONG is gonna be a bitch in this terrain and Im really not sure whats gonna take him down

Haikyuuuu!!!!

I think joshuas nesr guaranteed first strike is interesting because he can juggle anyone he gets and Link doesnt traditionally strike me as soneone who survives getting gibbed.

But Alucard is a lot to handle for Estelle.

Haikyuu

March Lion

Witch from Mercury

Haikyuu!!!!

The Montauk Beach House

March Lion

March comes in

Haikyu

March comes in like a lion

So if bowser cant kill Pamela before he dies this is a stomp.

And I feel like Sonic ensures this isnt the case.

Pamela

Haikyu

March comes in like a Lion

KJH posted...

Just playing devil's advocate since I'm leaning hard towards BJ+K.Rool despite this, but I'd have thought Zagreus's favored limb would be one of his legs. He's all about mobility with his dashes with tons of upgrades centered on it (and more dashes being one of the strongest upgrades), his feet constantly being on fire is one of his most defining physical characteristics (besides the dark side of his face), and he's so used to constantly moving that he will 99.9% of the time you play Hades refuse to sit in any interactable chair or his own bed.

This is a possible interp and I will just say if so Zag is still gonna be able to cast and toss shields and still have his zeus passives shere even just attacking him gets you struck

KamikazePotato posted...

Claude better have an amazing ability because I don't think he's offering much firepower in most matches

Pre selected KO on a 5+, boko thought he was fighting someone else.

Lightning.

I win this fight due to untold amounts of lightning. Ill grant that due to missing an arm using the adamant rail is gonna be a little more clumsy but this vid really show off how ridiculous the zeus powers can be on it and even at non maximum efficiency its ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/tLHzENfI8mY

I also have shield which would look a little like this:
https://youtu.be/nUZoYkW0d78 at around the 33 minute marknyou start to see a lot of what this build looks like. The shield really only takes one good hand to use properly. I opted for Chaos aspect which shoots 6 ricocheting shields captain america styles after a bull rush attack but the big thing here is lightning. These shields all have poseidon effects, pushing a foe backward and making space for Zag if he needs it.

But Zags sword use style is very one handed and Zag is fairly ambidextrous as he does switch his sword hand at times in his animations. He can at bare minimum still make good use of his sword special. And with Arthur aspect this is a beefier Zag, and one who gains a bit of extra dodge time just for holding the sword? Why is this important? Because Zag in this form barely even has to ever attack to just fill the screen with untold amounts of lightning. Why?

Because it SO MUCH LIGHTNING. Lightning when he dashes. Lightning when you try to hit Zag and he dodges. Lightning when you try to hit Zag and succeed. If youve been struck by lightning and dare to attack anyone? You get struck by lightning. Lightning casts that ricochet to other nearby targets when it strikes. And god gauge - gaining with each passing moment and with all damage dealt and recieved at a very fast rate. And what does that do? Even more lightning, this time provided by Zeus himself. Gangplank Galleon is basically a box unless your merc can fly or swim extraordinarily well and none of the enemy team can other than Claude and well - Barbarossas take extra damage from ranged attacks which pretty well implies hes toast if BJ focuses on him.

This just becomes a box of nearly unaviodable lightning pulsing through everyone and arcing onto everyone else (8 times per bolt and each bolt has a 40% chance of being 2 bolts and therefore 16 bolts and as you can see from these vids its a lot of fuckin lightning and these guys arent maxing out Zeus the way I am.) And each lightning strike? Explodes into an AOE that doesnt harm zag.

This isnt enough you say? What if Zag gets swarmed by Leon and Rika and Claude? Ok well Zag isnt alone.

Lets talk. K Rool. For one thing this is his home turf and for another he has a fucking ridiculous weapon on hand the Schockhammer. Its a shotgun with a rate of fire usually reserved for an SMG and with plenty of ammo fully upgraded

https://youtu.be/pvlVwCpbKH8

Now K Rool wouldnt be immune to the ridiculous cacophony of lightning necessarily (though all of Zags stuff does specify it hits 'enemies' its not exactly a team based game), BUT were on gangplank galleon. Hes got reflect up. And since Zag isnt gonna be targeting K Rool directly with lightning, any Lightning that arcs off someone at K Rool just gets arced right back at them again!

And then finally BJ is here and post upgrades hes in his ubersoldat body and all by himself would just completely kick Leons or Claudes ass with his arsenal that includes another of those schockhammers, two triple barrelshotguns, an RPG, grenades and four automatic machines that he can dual wield. But most importantly vs Claude, he has both an actual sniper rifle and a scoped mini-BFG in the form of his upgraded LaserKraftWerk and since Claude AND the Wyvern both wear armor the Lasers gonna home on him making his dodge speed less of a factor. Claudes weak to bows and I would think thay extends to well aimed guns.

Banjo is also here and isnt completely useless. He has Kazooie and can lob some grenades that can freeze targets and others that damage and can do so while flying on kazooie. Theres so much chaos going on with the big beefy fronrliners that Banjo might be able to land a cheap shot or two with these grenades.

You can see them in action at around 8:00 here.

https://youtu.be/shz0a7vWtp0

Kiryus an X Factor. Obviously an excellent brawler but 1) I dont think he survives LIGHTNING BOX or being machinegunned or shotgunned repeatedly very well and Zah wants him dead 2) if youre gonna be ridiculous and say he does somehow beat everyone he cant win and K Rool is still gonna be the last other man standing by default thanks to Kredits.

Rika is dead so fast her ability doesnt get a chance to matter and Leon and Claude are just badly outclassed here.

TLDR; Even one armed Zag is a ridiculous lightning monger thats gonna electrocute everyone and K Rool is gonna Shock the world because he is the Schockmaster (which is a semi auto machine gun) and also BJ is super durable and has enough explosive weaponry to wipe out people in his own ways.

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Hot food> cold food

Drakeryn posted...

he just seems like an ordinary dude punching people. 2/day combat worth max. Lloyd Irving would destroy this dude in a 1v1. is there something I'm missing?

Feeling vindicated.

*apparently* he levels up quite a lot in Arkham Knight

So Rika is the only reason Im considering batman being able to pull this off.

But ultimately, Zeratul, is a big problem since he can sense batmans presence and I think thats a big problem because while batmans instincts are gonna be to tele-scout once Zeratul observes him he cant teleport away and more importantly that becomes intel that Rika doesnt get which will make it hard for her to guide him beyond "Dont do that"

So their best plan of action is gonna be to drive the Batmobile up the side of the terrain and come as fast as they can and team Batman would need to possess an overwhelming firepower superiority but the rex and Lady maria are super beefy and zeratul poses his own problems.

Just too much going against them.

I had Kamek show me the start zones and here they are

Blue and red ignore the purple. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/5/AAR9yWAAEN0r.jpg

Hmm ok so Leon and Kiryu CAN get to the fight then

Mewtwo59 posted...

It's a rather rocky terrain if you try to go outside of the area Snake went. I don't think the Batmobile has shown any good ATV feats in the Arkham games, so it won't fare too well around here (plus it might even get stuck in the snow)

Yeah this is the issue.

I know the comic batmobile can drive on walls but no clue if THIS batmobile can.

I dont wanna vote til I give batman his due but it looks bad.

Oh nevermind

Lopen posted...

https://youtu.be/mlkHfevQdw4

Wont playback what is this?

Are you on the correct side for that?

My understanding was the elevator was facing towards the other way like on this map it looks loke the elvator is open on the end facing the underground passage and not facing the snowfield

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/0/AAR9yWAAERMO.jpg

Also youre saying that leon and kiryu can and will be sniped in the elevator. Is that actually possible?

Mewtwo59 posted...

Zeratul has telepathy. He can sense if Batman showed up.

But at what distance?

What is THIS batman capable of.

He is getting a single well coordinated ambush in but theres a lot of BEEF here. Not sure what they can pull off here

For mewtwo: what extrasensory abils do you have that would make "Batman making a plan by teleporting around to scout and plan an ambush" not work.

A clash of kings? Nah this is a clash of bold text.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Mega Man doesn't get his ambush off if his team lives longer than 5 minutes. Which is going to happen since they won't even meet before 5 minutes.

Well yeah hes dyung in 5 minutes and then Kreditsing 2 minutes later once the enemy team believes he has died

So Mega Man can launch this incredible ambush and batman can teleport to support it since everyone factors the time to live into their plans?

On Shadow Moses, king of the stealth mission terrains?

Fuck me this is spicy.

I didnt go super into detail with Samus Prime Hunters offense but here are the ones I find most compelling in this situation -

Battlehammer, longer range, explosive burst like a rocket, is literally used to knock people off ledges, which seems good here.

Volt Driver, a homing bomb which distorts vision on impact in addition to dealing damage, a real problem for someone like sonic whos entire theory of not just insta-dying here relies on precision movement

Judicator - literally freezes the oppent, opening DK up to some big charge shots

Shock Coil - basically a lancet effect that drains health from the target and heals the user.

My point, mainly, is this is 3 on 2 with all 3 having some serious firepower.

Samus with her ability to go invuln a short time with lightning armor and dodging AND her aerial offense is a huge huge problem for either of sonic or DK.

And again I dont see how DK is a absorbing the sort of offense that can do this:

https://youtu.be/ZdbK7ANStjc?t=83

GANON1025 posted...

BJ fires at DK -> Sonic blasts through the castle to where the shot came from, smears BJ, and gets back to DK in like a couple seconds. BJ first shot needs to kill DK, and I dont think he can do that

You realize BJ is here in his upgraded form with his cyborg body. Hes not getting "smeared" with the speed youre suggesting snd hes not exactly defenseless. He just needs to get the laser anywhere near Sonic to fuck him up pretty good and any path in is taking him through festive fog which, at least one time, is gonna severely fuck with sonic.

Also I think Zagreus can take sonic. Hes fast and dodgy and is pretty good/offensively and defensively in melee with the aegis shield if it really comes down to it.

Any engagement happening there is happening with sonic at a serious disadvantage since hes having to deal with effects like festive fog that slow him and just a general barrage of firepower. He also has the call of aphrodite and sonic is all through his history shown to be pretty susceptible to charm.

BJ can be fairly effective because Laserkradtwerk doesnt use a traditional projectile and if it hits anywhere near him left off a big explosion of light that disorients and can bounce off things and still hit sonic in unexpected ways

Cyberdemon can apparently withstand being chainsawed 370 times im a row but dies instantly?

Its not like dudes a dodgetank hes a facetank.

I also think for DK you have to answer how he withstands just all this firepower that cannot possibly miss him.

400% a lot of things but not 400% durable that fire powers still gonna tear through his flesh, slow him and weaken him as he approaches and he is quite simply going to be dead.

Again sonic is going against a very strong kiting set up here.

The festive fog alone is a real curveball for someone who relies on speed not to mention there is a LOT of projectile fire which, having played Sonic Frontiers, he can handle SOME but a TON of

ZeeksFire posted...

Well, given a bit, I don't think the Cyberdemon is that much of an actual threat, for the exact reasons that was given that the place was such an effective defense location last time. Taking mechanic thoughts into line with +300% strength/agility, from rabbids, donkey kong can chuck someone 24 cells worth of distance. I'm not sure in comparison what that translates to, but with that cliff being right there, the term "Ring Out" seems to be a plausible situation. I do think it's an uphill battle without mewtwo active but I want to hear the arguments as if getting to the other side wasn't the problem, minus bowser who is at extremely long range in his Koopa Klown Car, flying way overhead, probably with some binoculars, flinching every time BJ looks up at the thing.

Well I gave plenty but Zagreus has some great debuffs - he can inflict weak which takes down 30% of DKs strength and Festive fog which on this particular build gives a 40% slowing effect and a damage reduction effect.

Samus has her guns that are peak kiting efficiency since they do knockback effects and shes got the speed and the narrow corridors to retreat into if necessary

Finally there is BJ and while for long range he has rpgs and sniper rifles, short range he has plasma ammo on dualwielded automatic machine guns which are gonna tear through the still unarmored giant ape