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PunishedBen posted...

The opening crawls for Star Wars days and the first Pokemon day when Han sang the Pokemon theme were 10/10. Fun flavor gives the game a grander feel

Yeah that was great. I loved that.

Take my words to heart ctes. You played great. You both did. This was very hard. Even if everything red says is right he has 20 years of experience. That's tough to make up.

neonreaper posted...

Well earned Chris, you make your own luck

Thank you sir

masterplum posted...

How can I make a final fantasy style Mana system work in a mafia game.

I have literally tried to make it work in my head for 15 years now and can't come up with a workable model

Abandoning any pretense of a normal game. mtgsalvation had a lot of these type of games that were heavily gimmicked. I think one was actually very RPG like that was my only town defeat the year I won best player over there to a guy having a monster scum game. Once you abandon the need for it to be normal things can get highly interesting.

That does ring a bell. I worked so hard on that flavor lol.

changmas posted...

best and worst unique roles you've seen? (and why)

Good question I will ponder this.

Hbthebattle posted...

Thoughts on Motion Detectors

I like them a lot better in binary low power setups where there is a risk to revealing information willy nilly. It's like a less powerful prosty though so its a bit of a weird place for them. I don't find them very exciting.

Oh god I remember hosting Harry Potter Mafia. I forget what exactly happened aside from my flavor being excellent. Refresh my memory? I feel as if either scum or town played very, very badly.

12 kingdoms was so ahead of its time and devoid of any of the bullshit I forget its an Isekai. Second that one 100%. One of a handful of anime I give a 10/10

LiquidOshawott posted...

Who is a player who you would say has grown a lot as a player since youve been playing?

Oh geesh making me choose between my precious kouhai how disgraceful.

Hm...

I feel like IGCD jumps to mind though. He has gotten very sharp when it comes to being able to figure things out and parse through people's words to perceive intent, he just needs to have to have that mindset of 'the point of mafia is to have fun and do your best' and realize 'your best' isn't afking. Just try, succeed or fail, and good things will happen more than not. He's really good when he can have that drive.

Sultan also low key is solid these days as well and gets really disrespected for no real reason. Like he's for sure a lot more sound than many people here and people act like he isn't.

I am sure there are others but those two come to mind.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Talk about my role switching gimmick from Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia.

Sure.

So this is a great concept that I really love. However I feel as if it was not immediately clear how it was going to work and as a host and player I feel like the game is much more enjoyable if everyone is at least aware that there is going to be a switch of some kind so it puts people on an even playing field and the less speculation you have to do the better as any alignment.

Really though an amazingly fun design decision and the flavor names were really thoughtful and enjoyable.

Oh god I don't know if I have a full list. The worst is Mercs 3 mafia though lol

Finished Chainsaw Man and I am like, super happy I binged it because some of the chapters later on felt very badly paced. But overall I really enjoyed it and the ending of season 1 was... heh heh heh... chef's kiss.

8/10 for me I think

I will rate, rank, or just talk about mafia topics on the eve of me playing in the champs game right after outwitting 20 players PURELY BY SKILL AND NO LUCK WHATSOEVER* as serial killer.

Okay so now that we have had a discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liZXofwkePE

Isquen posted...

Also, Kirby, ctes, did it not occur to you in the slightest that if Chris is asking you both "why haven't you voted" that you should probably question the same thing back?

I was prepared and I answered that throughout the day by talking about going back and forth.

If I felt like it was suspicious I would have voted ctes and beaten him like a drum <_<

Red death night was hilarious because I was totally ready for there to be a third party. Negates almost all of ctes and kirby's defenses lol.

Like I think I win this game harder if there is a double tap tbh, I just have to kick it into gear.

I targeted let's see

Lea/Plum
Lea/Ulti
Lea/Sbell
Red

And then the night kills

htaeD posted...

That said I cant blame Kirby 100 %
He just doesn't know Chris like we do.

But goddamn his luck

Two time SK winner club represent.

Also there was 0% chance I bus like that lmao. That wasn't a bus that was a nuclear bomb lobbed at ben and sheep

PunishedBen posted...

Great game and great day 1 from Chris indeed. He deserved to win for having 3/5 scum figured out on day 1 no matter what his alignment is (assuming he shot Lea because he thought he was shooting scum and trying to claim Town vig)

Yes.

Kirby, Ctes, both of you played so well. You have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. This puzzle was configured in such a way to absolutely give you no real chance on this final day. You were denied so much information by me and by my strategy this game. Dont let anyone say a single bad word against you. I was prepared to play this final day differently depending on how you guys played. This was almost unwinnable for you. You both did great. Just fantastic. Neither one of you deserve to lose this. Well played.

masterplum posted...

I know this is going to be the argument so I will get ahead of it

1. Chris was stupidly lucky
2. Chris played well
Its both of those things

Oh yeah. You got to get lucky to win as serial killer. Like, I was super lucky.

I wanted to win with town for the first three days and then I decided to try to figure out a way to win. I did it whoo

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/7/AAOt6hAADVU7.jpg

Deep breaths in and out.

##vote: Ctes

Questions can be asked post game if they are needed, I suppose.

starting to feel a little bit performative here, ctes!

Dreams really do come true.

I am thinking while eating some mac and cheese. I don't think it will be hugely beneficial to go over things again, just asking myself a few questions.

insert scum hammer here

I feel like the one I feel worst about is me completely oopsing a role. I should in theory be above such things so I could see the Wifom argument for it.

Okay I am back! Thanks for finding a post of yours ctes

I need to run a brief errand, but I'll be back in a little bit.

You can spin in circles forever. I am trying to avoid that by taking things point by point.

Hm hm hm. It is interesting that Kirby managed to find a post of his own to dissect whereas ctes cited one of mine.

You two are very different until the end, huh.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't know what I'd rather be today. The player to feel alright about his idea of the scum (excluding the rush that's always there) but to worry about getting mislynched or the player having to make the decisive vote that if wrong loses town the game. I'd probably be kicking myself more over the latter, but dammit if I'm also already kinda kicking myself in advance for the former. If Chris is actually the scum that Kirby and I share the pain of being tricked today (with most dead players too).

I would much rather have to defend myself and be more certain of one player. I know how to attack and defend very well and it comes naturally to me. This position is semi-awkward because I tend to feed of feedback off myself and its mostly me being like 'any questions' and you guys being mostly like 'well not really' so I am having to generate litmus tests while I mull it over.

I am collecting as many data points as possible for compare and contrast.

ctesjbuvf posted...

The more you know.

Just making sure I get what you're asking, you want me to find the post that best explains why I myself could be scum?

Yes.

ctesjbuvf posted...

What do you mean, the statement or the wording? Because I had to read my own sentence slowly there, I'll admit. Perhaps reading a post that like over again would be a decent idea but it's a stressful day in mafia.

the wording yeah as 'outing' is usually the term used for scum being exposed.

Okay, one final test for my two kouhai who are making me ping pong back and forth. Please show me the post today from you that you think best demonstrates why I should think you are scum. The most flawed, most easily refuted with facts post.

Actually now I am just annoyed. On the one hand you have ctes, who doesn't say flat out stupid statements like this. But on the other hand his blank slate from before was scare who gave me nothing. Then there is Kirby, who will say frankly some scummy ass shit but then follow it up 2 posts later with some towny ass shit and my GENERAL RULE is towny ass shit is really hard to fake for a long time. Even Lea, who I hesitated on, I at least never last sight of her obvious path to scum and why she might be doing what she was doing.

Anyway

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm considering what is the smart move here, but I'm running a bit out of ideas tbh. I don't think the circumstances of the game paint Kirby town as much as it seemed you did. I was thinking this the last as well, I mean, he looked better than MZero and Abacus that had little going for him, but I never lumped him in with you or HB. If feel like Sbell and I was painted in a confirmed light that would fit if no godfather had been revealed yet, but one godfather already flipping on that same night should put us way past that. Yes, the game had two flavor scanners, but that's not nearly as strong a duplicate. Anakin Skywalker just does not make it to the end of Star Wars as a good guy >_>

If you're town and what you say about Sbell is true, then ghost is not the only reason it's a shame he was killed in my place.

Does this mean you acknowledge Kirby hasn't had too great a game but just seemed earnest while doing it? Some of these failings are scumtells in my head.

The whole game today for him has been using PoE to get me lynched. He outed me for not looking into you enough, but he hasn't done anything like that himself. The only things he has been kind of after you with was basically about not decisively believing him. These things have often been clouded by statements like "this has to be for me to be scum" and they're just never really true. The only thing about my play has been vague non telling things about Scare that could be a scum connection if he was in fact that. Then I suppose the claim claim Scare being godfather was a big thing at some point and still existing after the scan which just isn't right. The only thing about me basically being that I'm hard to trust because I'm good at assessing situations calmly. I know I haven't been in the game for a long as you, but still more than a fair bunch and I'm been very active the whole time. This is very frustrating.

'he outed me into not looking into you enough' is an odd phrase to use here. This is something I agree with though when it comes to him sniping you for not being more critical of me. Feels very forced. Like I said above.

If anything, considering that play in a vacuum, it makes the most sense for scum to do it for this very purpose in terms of equity.

Okay I am sorry but if you're intelligent enough to realize that gambit was dogshit as scum then you are intelligent enough to realize it is a good ploy to do that gambit as scum and then go 'wow that would have made no sense as scum!" Ctes was asleep at the time and there is no chance in hell kirby as town, scum, indy, or a man from mars would think I would anything other than chastise there.

Also can I just say you guys have denied me one of my favorite activities of end game where someone votes and then I go 'scum hammer' (the words not a vote) and go 'lol'

It's been so long since I have had a chance to do that.

Eating some nuts now, energy recharging pew pew

Kirby I am pretty sure your last paragraph could fit any name you would like and it could be considered true. Like if I had died and sbell was here instead of me. 'This is the ideal final 3 for sbell or ctes, both are scanned innocent and I am not making me a perfect scapegoat' etc.

I think that may be what you said at the end but I still did a double take.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm getting increasingly nervous because even if I somehow get past avoiding the mislynch, I know the anxiety of worrying about me making it instead. What a final day this has been.

May I ask why? You have said you keep looking at me and seeing town. Is it simply anxiety? Do you have any further questions for me?

My alarm went off successfully. Excellent.

I am going to grab a bite to eat and then read.

First time yeah. I felt his day one was similar to how he played last game in general. As the game has gone on he seems on average less collected than he did last game. If I were to describe it.... less careful I suppose? As host he appeared measured to me. This game is a lot different in that regard.

I don't feel like he played last game as he would have as scum though. Informed he was but he had nothing to gain from harming town.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Would Scare be this disinterested about the game if he had a good mafia role and actuall got the scan you dream of as godfather? I want to say no, but in fainess, I don't think much of scare's play can be said anything about, he just wasn't here.

I don't understand why Scare who literally can not be shut up doesn't barge in here like he owns the place, runs his mouth, and gets shit done. Dude literally could have been talking all the way through yesterday as a man who died n1.

When I think of flawless I think of a perfect ball. So flawless that it slips from your grasp because there is nothing to hold onto. Vs a Kirby who has lots of chips and jagged corners that I feel I can grasp tightly and get a hold of more easily.

I like my metaphors.

Fuck cancer, that man was ace in everything I've seen him in.

I started reading chainsaw man and I am 15 chapters in and I really am enjoying it so far. It has a good mix of violence with a main character who is 'stupid' but in a likable sort of way. This one was on my list because someone nominated the boss lady for a project of mine and oh boy I can see why she would be popular, lady has a personality on her.

By the way, in case it wasn't obvious... I hate days like today. I do everything in my power to avoid them. I talked earlier in the game about that anxiousness you get when you consider how your actions are going to lead. That 'stop' moment as you wait for the result to come in, good or bad. I talk a lot about how good I am, well deserved in my estimate, but moments like this where I have to choose between two fairly earnest seeming people when I know one of you is doing everything in your power to deceive me is both the peak of the mafia experience but also wrecks my nerves.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So I caught up. None of you commented on my balance thoughts. I know that the good ratio of town/scum doesn't scale linearly with the number of players but look at those scum roles. Another godfather? Cmon.

I am earnestly not even wanting to begin to talk the nuance of balance in this game. This game is pretty crazy overall. I want that to be like the last thing on my mind. Which I think isn't too swingy in my thought process either way as both things you are potentially bringing to the table as scum seem strong.

Nah I for sure don't think to fake a misread, just an oops and a cognitive bias.

If Sbell is here over Kirby I snap vote you start of day with zero hesitation. I know Sbell's stubborn streak pretty well and Sbell being an ass about Ulti for a lifetime is like, classic Sbell. Same thing if you had died and flipped town and it was kirby vs sbell in another timeline. Sbell was firmly in his town meta.

I am not sure if you're saying this because it's true or to put me in a similar situation as you put Kirby in saying something close to the opposite yesterday. Not like it can't be the latter and a true statement. Hmph, doesn't change anything I suppose.

I hope you can appreciate that statements like these make you hard to trust. Kirby flipped out which feels genuine while you seem to be very good at assessing situations calmly. You are a cool customer, and Kirby feels like he isn't. It feels like I know his measure fully while you I am still trying to figure out.

In fairness to you, a little bit of both there is the correct answer.

As for the Death thing, it just is an odd choice since he had no power that night. I want to say he claimed that fact too but that might be me misremembering.

Also good ole dark tower mafia. I remember they didn't archive me losing. It's true, only one godfather there.

Sure. I have some errands to run tomorrow and I sometimes need to nap but I should be a lot of the time.

Got any further questions for me?

Okay, ego time.

Kirby you aren't good enough to fool me here. I think our interactions were way too genuine since day one for you to be scum here. I think the way you talked to the different scum over the days was genuine and earnest. I think your failings this game have been earnest. I gave this a lot of due diligence and even made sure to sleep before crystalizing this but ctes is going to have to say something heroic when he wakes up to change me from this course.

So let's think about this.

They kept Kirby alive because he sucks as watcher and many people have been suspicious of him. If they could, in any way, impeach his watcher claim he doesn't look good.

But Scare spent a lot of time defending scum in his limited space too. It just wasn't an idle issue - He kept trying to get me to stop killing scum early.

No watcher claim, no innocent scan, who do I go for today? Who is an ideal partner for the 5 scum who have died? What makes more sense with the night kills? How the scum developed their strategy? The final 3? Is it coincidence that I have gone back and forth on kirby all game and now in the final moments it is me here to stand in judgment over him.

Has Kirby managed to allay my paranoia as scum every time for 10 days. Has that ever happened to me before? Even once? When is the last time someone was able to push my buttons correctly hm hm hm. It's been a very, very long time and I was not half the player I am now.