Lurker > Corrik7

The only 3 people that can be scum is Sultan, Sbell, and Ulti.

Sultan being a 3rd party would be scary and fall into the 4 scum range. He can assure victory as survivor by just claiming 3rd party at this point though and verifying the last two scum at that point though.

PunishedBen posted...

Hey Sultan, do you get notified when the person visits you and confirmation that you gave a pineapple out?

*whistles*

ranagrande posted...

I'm disappointed we didn't get to hear more from Sheep.

Anyway, I decided to track masterplum, who targeted no one.

Sbell, do you have a pineapple now?

*rolls eyes* Seriously? Ugh.

Definitely kill sbell first though after I flip. Rana should have tracked Sbell or Sultan tonight if he was paying attention, but I can't rely on him to have realized that.

6-2 My mislynch and ben dead. 4-2. Yeah, this should be fine no matter what they have left. It would have to be 4 scum to cause a loss for town at that point.

Ninja'd. Okay lynch me. I flip town, and you can just kill Sbell and Sultan and win the game now. Easy Peasy. Give me my MVP award after. I knew Sultan was scum day 1 and I am salty I didn't get the chance to talk myself into Yoloing Sultan with my vig.

Mafia intended to be at mylo today I think. So, the plan of Sbell saying he got a pineapple if him and sultan are both the last scum to get my mislynch to finish off the game is kinda dead in the water. Once I flip town, they are both dead if they link themselves today now.

Kinda ironic.

I'm seriously scum for making an easy observation of the game? *rolls eyes* You all should have just killed me yesterday, but hey when I die today at least you will listen that Sbell is scum.

*shakes head* Why oh why do I even sign up for these games... it's every single game.

Mafia is super strong roles for all 3 to compensate for the night kill mechanic clearly.

Which the first flip speaks to that. Ninja Roleblocker.

Sbell is likely scum that flavor scanned night 1 though and no other person could exist to prove his role wrong after by saying every other night. Like, he could literally say any person right now to continue confirming his power as is.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I could have sworn the theory for night 1 was scum is bad and shot Chris directly.

This is all moot without reports from the power roles though, so I will simply go to bed. Long day tomorrow.

Why would they have waited til night 2 to use an extra kill and how did no one die tonight?

I think that's been put to bed easily. Lopen was poisoned night 1. Chris night 2. The Doctor can save the night of the death. He saved Chris last night. No other night kill. No other way to have blocked another night kill.

Also Day 2 and Day 3. Day 2 ended before the mark to get them told it. Day 3 Chris was told approximately 12 hours before deadline.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Is there any proof for this theory at all?

Night 1 and Night 3 flips.

Day ended before*

masterplum posted...

Doesnt make sense. Lopen would have said he was poisoned, and doc wouldnt be in this game.

He died before 12 hours left in the day, Plum.

Thought about it and Sbell is probably scum btw also. I'll get to it later.

Ben can you confirm you saved Chris last night?

And Ben will be notified as poisoned with 12 hours left in the day.

So night kills are delayed poisons I take it.

Yas queen

Was about to say KH4 arguably has worse graphics than the mobile game, but it ended up being another mobile game called Missing Link. Lmfao.

Subbed. Good luck.

Okay I am actually going to sleep now. Only got 4 hours total over the past 2 days, and I am too tired.

PunishedBen posted...

Your role says nothing about what happens when day ends before the 24 hours are up?

It was an unforeseen circumstance. I assumed he would have automatically been released actually and been made available for Night. I don't think my role accounted for that possibility.

PunishedBen posted...

It vanished an hour into what night phase? Night 2? So it was still around after day ended?

Yes.

PunishedBen posted...

Kinda feels like that's a thing you're usually more than comfortable doing!

Is Sultan beholden to the same thing he can't speak about?

Sultan has no knowledge of what I am talking about.

PunishedBen posted...

Why would you be against saying what's in your PM now?

I told you before how it worked, but that ending of the day earlier basically broke my role. Which led to unintended things.

I got to interrogate Sultan for up to 24 hours.

At the 12-24 hour mark I could choose to release Sultan. I could choose to kill him prior to 24 hours. If I made no decision by then, he would be released automatically. In which he would return to the game or flip upon whichever.

I did tell Sultan clearly multiple times I was going to release him to try and get him to discuss who was possibly scum with me. I also was leaning to release him. I hadn't made my mind up though and was considering still killing him. However, apparently telling him I intended to release him was good enough and the chat vanished around an hour into the night phase. Prior to the 12 hours and without me actually deciding for sure.

So, basically the game broke the role.

I was unsure if I could explain away me killing Sultan if he was town with the no night kill night 1 which was why I was debating it in my mind, in addition to the fact Sultan seemed likelier town to me after I realized I erred in thinking he wasn't on Tidus.

I'm just basically in an uncomfortable spot where I don't know what I can actually say. And it's better to just lynch me instead of town get punished if I cross a line that I don't know where exists regarding things. I alluded to something earlier along the lines, but I don't feel comfortable with discussing it more.

Though my flip will maybe clear that up to you some since it posts the role pm I think.

PunishedBen posted...

This means he was still kidnapped AND untargetable during the night.

That wasn't my decision. Explain more after the game.

And remember. Everything I said regarding Sultan was 100% accurate. Fare thee well.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Good night.

Sorry bro. The PoE and voting patterns really do point to you.

All good. May the pharmaceutical rep keep you safe tonight, mt friend.

Well, I think I am heading to bed. Good luck, guys.

Good*

Goof vote, ulti.

Okay he is gone. Let's lynch Plum.

I'm still operating under the assumption that the night kills are delayed poisons though. If that's the case, Ben looks very very very bad.

If Chris and another dies tonight then they did have an extra kill and either the poison is told to the game approximately 12 hours before deadline or the poison is a day ability. Either way, it basically clears Chris regardless. It also would not damn Ben.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Its possible. With 3 suspected total scum And only 2 suspected left if we can 1for1 why not?

He could lynch Ben a lot easier than that route.

If Ben is scum, Chris is almost assuredly town. Now, if Chris lives and Ben is all the sudden ahah! I fooled scum and saved Chris tonight. Yeah, we got issues.

Chris, did you ask the host when you die from poison? If you are going to flip at the end of this day and not at the end of the night, that would be beneficial to know.

I mean Ben

I think Sbell is better left alive for a day to see if a poison turns up tomorrow also and not 2 flips tonight. If 2 flips I guess he is probably good. But, I have personally led many games where we purposely didn't kill the openly claimed doctor all game and left him unroleblocked for the giggles.

masterplum posted...

True, with no RB you probably are a must kill.

We can shelf that for now

Be careful with this thinking.

I am not sure the discrepancy makes him scum, however.

I just... don't understand it. Like, the only thing I was wrapping my mind to explain it was a bus driver bussing a town roleblocker onto him, but Idk. It seems like such a stupid thing to fake as scum tho.

Like might as well just said fuck it at that point. The only other thing I can think of is that his role is something that benefits from being visited and he claims I didn't get it to try and get more people to visit. Idk.

Definitely did not give me anything though. That's for sure.

PunishedBen posted...

And yes my plan was 2b on your list. Claim my actions so Chris is cleared and not lynched today. Everyone is massing anyway. But then leave it open for a chance scum think I am faking doctor to protect the real doctor. If I hit a flavor on their safe list they may think this and shoot someone else at night. Sbell scanned me though and messed up that plan.

And you are still claiming traditional doctor powers and not something else? Like if you are a Jailkeeper or a roleblocker actually, it's something needed to know

Pineapple Vendor Town Pineapple Vendor

Still sits poorly with me.

I'll let him answer it, but I will say that the role didn't work as it was intended to due to the shortened day. It was supposed to work differently.

Wtf is wrong with me. It's 7-2 today not 9-2. If Chris is an extra kill. And a mislynch and regular kill. You are at 4-2 tomorrow or 5-2 and paralyzer possibility still exists. Thus, yes tomorrow is possible Mylo regardless of situation.

Now let's look at something.

9-3
If scum has an extra kill (poison they used night 2 instead of 1?) and I shoot wrong.

9-3
5-3. Mylo day 2.

If scum has an extra kill and I shoot right.
9-3
6-2
4-2 mylo day 3.

If scum has extra kill and I choose not to shoot.
9-3
6-3
4-3 mylo day 3. Still mylo day 3.

So there isn't much benefit for my shot only town detriment if I shoot wrong.

If scum has a single kill delayed a day and I shoot wrong.
9-3
7-3
5-3. Mylo day 3.

If scum has a single kill and I shoot right.
9-3
8-2
6-2
4-2 Mylo day 4.

Town gains benefit from me shooting right.

If scum has a single kill and I choose not to shoot.

9-3
7-3
5-3

mylo day 3 which again makes sense for 3 scum. No town benefit for not choosing right and no major town detriment for choosing pacifism and/or upon using my power not choosing to shoot.

If scum has a regular kill at night that was doc saved night 1, then the poison has to be an extra kill. But let's assume the poison isn't an extra kill and a doc save happened night 1.

Doc save night 1, I shoot wrong
9-3
7-3
5-3 mylo day 3

Doc save night 1, I shoot right
9-3
8-2
6-2
4-2 mylo day 4

Doc save, I choose not to shoot
9-3
8-3
6-3
4-3. Mylo day 4

There is one issue with this number crunching. If scum has delayed kills, town can choose to lynch the town poisoned each day. This effectively makes a no lynch however and confirms a town each day for voting purposes.

9-2
7-2 or 6-2

Not possible Mylo tomorrow.

I need to check some numbers on something hold up.

Wait. That's wrong hold on.

We just had a game with relatively no investigation roles but an exorbitant amount of protection.

What if this game is the opposite. An exorbitant amount of scanning with relatively no protection roles.

The thing is Ben's fake flavor.

1. Why? If he is town and the flavor is fake, he either could have been claiming a real person's flavor as town doctor or scum knew it was on the safelist as fake.

2. Does it make sense as town? The person he fakeclaimed flavor for is supposedly a doctor right? This would mean Ben was trying to draw a shot if he was faking to be one and got around the above mentioned issues in point 1. Yet, he is sticking to this claim. If he is actually a doctor role, then trying to draw a shot to yourself as the actual doctor doesn't make much sense.

2b. Unless him being a doctor role made him confident that flavor wouldn't be in the game as town, and he hoped it would be on the scum safe list to make them think he was full of shit to leave him alone.

2c. He was lying to try and confirm as town to the game to let them look past him and not worry about mislynching him - but this obviously has huge, huge, huge backfire issues.

3. Does it make sense as scum? He claimed to visit Chris. 2 nights. He also didn't claim this visit I believe until after he was supposedly tracked to Chris. (I think). He then claimed he visited Chris both nights, prior to the poison info came out. He hammered Death early day 2 before a possible poison notification came out on Lopen, which possibly would have hid the fact of a night kill taking place and claimed this cleared him as town. The problem with this as scum is, that tomorrow if another town is poisoned with 12 hours left in the game, the whole shebang falls apart. He also didn't claim to have saved Chris night 1, but if town, maybe he thought the night kill was Sultan. He also was the one who began the idea of quickly taking out Death along with the hammer day 2, and defended Tidus day 1.

Both the town and scum angles have major issues. It could be best to wait to tomorrow to see if Chris and another person both die. But, at that point.

8-3 today
6-3 (this is possible mylo)

Waiting til tomorrow on Ben might put you in a Mylo situation. If there was not an actual extra kill yet by scum and their kills are delayed a day, it means a possible paralyzer or held back shot could win the game with a single mislynch after if you mislynch today waiting to verify Ben.