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StifledSilence posted...

Nerd

Autonerding for Nerd

for nerd?
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lmao jz
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Judy

NR covered
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I guess not participating is actually bad.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Anyone planning on seeing anything over the next couple days?

Dunkirk or Baby Driver with the fam
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Zelda II
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Paper Mario
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And all my priorities are fine when I miss the round entirely...
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PrinceKaro posted...

pjbasis posted...

pjbasis posted...

I guess I'll offer an NR for will

Will

for Judy next round

Aye
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pjbasis posted...

I guess I'll offer an NR for will

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I guess I'll offer an NR for will
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Iago
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Still trading for will Turner then
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Oh I'm here, Belle?
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Trading for Will
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Will Turner
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16 one of the most underrated DBZ characters fuck yeah
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I think digi summed it up quite perfectly
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Bulbasaur
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Ignis still kinda hurts.

But not as much as Bulbasaur did
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Corrik posted...

Why don't people leave BLM protests when ppl chant to kill police?

I don't think killing police is the core message of BLM. But I don't know maybe some do.
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Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I've seen many people literally just freeze in situations like that.

why have you witnessed so many situations like this

You never seen like people with a car speeding towards them freeze in place or cower instead of trying to move? (Right before it screechs to a stop barely)


Maybe pittsburgh drivers are just wild lol

I mean that's understandable because as a pedestrian you can't really expect how the car will move. What if you dodge only to hit how it swerved? It's not the same as something that is only obeying the laws of physics (and slower than a speeding car would hit you).
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transcience posted...

I hope you guys watch that fox and friends video because jeeze

Oh I'm pretty sure it was posted quite a bit earlier
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This is why in some ways I'm better at mafia when I try than you Corrik.

You were getting Robert Lee lynched real fast but I pulled up some fancy quotes and made a quick but solid case and got those unvotes
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Corrik posted...

pjbasis posted...

Corrik posted...

Then again, I read like 500 posts about how a scientist in a split decision would never run away from a falling ship and would know to run horizontal our of its path automatically in a situation of extreme fear in Prometheus.

Oh come on I think anyone with reasonable spatial reasoning would have made the correct choice! Animals do!

I've seen many people literally just freeze in situations like that.

Most people are unable to think in situations like that. It comes down to pure instincts at that point.

How many people have you seen get crushed to death!?

But really from another perspective as a storyteller you shouldn't use scenarios that, while possible, might also be unlikely to happen. You shouldn't ever let your audience think "but she could have just done that!" Of course some people will never be satisfied but this wasn't a scenario like that. It was a lazy way to off a villain.
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Corrik posted...

Then again, I read like 500 posts about how a scientist in a split decision would never run away from a falling ship and would know to run horizontal our of its path automatically in a situation of extreme fear in Prometheus.

Oh come on I think anyone with reasonable spatial reasoning would have made the correct choice! Animals do!
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

all my grandparents are dead so I have no one in real life to rebel against

same. maybe that's why we're here together just so we have someone to unleash some angst on.

i always knew you were there for me, moogle.

when the world burns down, we'll be the last ones here, stilll posting as the ground crumbles around us

As long as there are two people left in the world, someone is gonna want someone dead.
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Corrik posted...

Really. Not a single person there could have been there for not white supremacy reasons? Not a single one???

I actually would think yeah if it was an actual neo nazi congregation.

Or was it just a statue memorial that got hijacked?
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Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik..

Are you suggesting we wouldn't care if it was an innocent person "on the other side" that was unjustly ran over instead?

I think it's pretty clear some would and some wouldn't
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And like she got hit by a car.

Nothing says terrorist more than that these days! Though I guess it's a good thing we weaned them off of bombs
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MalcolmMasher posted...

Lee owned slaves; the man was no abolitionist. I don't think it's at all reasonable to say that he was anti-slavery.

This is true. I think slavery wasn't really the biggest concern for him.

This one isn't a quote but from wikipedia again

The evidence cited in favor of the claim that Lee opposed slavery included his direct statements and his actions before and during the war, including Lee's support of the work by his wife and her mother to liberate slaves and fund their move to Liberia,[69] the success of his wife and daughter in setting up an illegal school for slaves on the Arlington plantation,[70] the freeing of Custis' slaves in 1862, and, as the Confederacy's position in the war became desperate, his petitioning slaveholders in 1864–65 to allow slaves to volunteer for the Army with manumission offered as a reward for outstanding service.[71][72]
However, despite his stated opinions, Lee's troops under his command were allowed to raid settlements during major operations like the 1863 invasion of Pennsylvania to capture free blacks for enslavement.
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pjbasis posted...

... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856

The South, in my opinion, has been aggrieved by the acts of the North, as you say. I feel the aggression, and am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.

Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?

These are direct quotes from letters he wrote! He still held the racist view that blacks were a race that needed some kind of help from the white race, but it's hard to say abolitionists didn't also hold those views. Back then thinking blacks should be free didn't equate to you thought they were equal to whites in every way. We're talking about a society that wouldn't even give women a right to vote! Judging people back then is a tricky business imo. It's not like any of us white boys would have necessarily been so liberal if we grew up in the 1800s south.

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... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856

The South, in my opinion, has been aggrieved by the acts of the North, as you say. I feel the aggression, and am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.

Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?

These are direct quotes from letters he wrote! He still held the racist view that blacks were a race that needed some kind of help from the white race, but it's hard to say abolitionists didn't also hold those views. Back then thinking blacks should be free didn't equate to you thought they were equal to whites in every way. We're talking about a society that wouldn't even give women a right to vote! Judging people back then is a tricky business imo. It's not like any of us white boys would have necessarily been so liberal if we grew up in the 1800s south.
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Dark Young Link posted...

The difference is that one believed that black people should remain slaves

I think this misrepresents Lee's views.

A quick wikipedia page tells me he was basically anti-slavery, but not really enough to trump wanting to defend his homeland.
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Jeez I really think one doesn't have to do with the other but I guess everyone disagrees
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Corrik posted...

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

A human life is a human life, I don't think comparing it to a statue or even the honor of a great man is really meaningful.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well, I know Snake and swordz have both expressed interest in helping Paine if she ever got back in.

pjbasis was just asking about her the other day, too, but I dunno if that means he'd do anything to help her.

Fuuuuuck no
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Jakyl25 posted...

If you're going to bring a black Republican man on to defend moral equivocation between white supremacists and their enemies, maybe you should actually ask him how he feels about it first.

Hey you can't blame them! A black guy defending Trump would be the golden goose.

If he doesn't it's not like it really makes things worse. Low risk High reward
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/jesticide/status/897941541221670912

JUGGALOS HAVE ENTERED THE FIGHT

If this is what Civil War II looks like I guess that's alright
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Man

If he could have realized the fear he was feeling was the same kind of fear he would have instilled in others, things could have been different.

It's so sad
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Hardcore_Adult posted...

Anyone else BORED with Student/Teacher stories? It's like they happen pretty much every week in the West.

If you go to a taboo sex party with this as your taboo fantasy you'll get laughed out of the room. Or maybe some polite nods.
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otherworld > the void > "wild rose" > time kompression > photography > the rest this isn't that entertaining actually
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xp1337 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

God now I'm wondering about Vlado. He never told us where he got his human evolution theories from after he declared that each race evolved independently from each other with no common ancestors!

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okay i want to hear the story behind this one

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Wanglicious posted...

when you call someone good, that's a bit different, you're basically saying they're a cool guy worthy of respect.

I guess it needs to be explained that like, I use the words good and evil in lots of contexts all the time. Words have different definitions in various contexts. Characters in fiction are good and evil because they are, by comparison, far simpler than actual human beings. And it's not like I'm actually gonna go around correcting people who think Hitler was evil or slavery is evil and stuff lol. Colloquially the words have good utility in describing things we like and don't like.

But in very real and serious terms I don't use those words because they don't have actual meaning in nature. There's probably a word for that. Bet it's called Objectivism or Naturalism or something lol
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I think it feels fine.

And I think I can describe and differentiate lots of ideas and actions without calling them good or bad. Or rather, first we provide a context for the goal of a society, and then good and bad relate to how well they achieve those goals.
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Jakyl25 posted...

pjbasis posted...

The most accurate way to put my feelings about abandoning slavery is that I'm glad to have been born after that, and proud of those portions of humanity that did it.

I have some unfortunate news for you about our prison system

My philosophy with regards to imprisonment is really undeveloped! I wouldn't mind talking about it.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

america fought against slavery in the civil war, this is a fact

I would've gladly said "we" but I'm not american so I couldn't, this is an American topic so "you guys" is a contextual reference to the region of this topic

I get it. I'll apologize for being roundabout. It wasn't that important of a point, though I think it's an interesting side conversation about language and stuff.
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Jakyl25 posted...

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/16/robert-e-lees-family-just-gave-unexpected-response-trumps-charlottesville-controversy/

Lee's family is down to remove the statues

But what if they forget he existed??? Will that cause them to...disappear from the time stream?

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The most accurate way to put my feelings about abandoning slavery is that I'm glad to have been born after that, and proud of those portions of humanity that did it.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

pjbasis posted...

Philosophically, I think it's a good exercise for rational people not to seriously use words like good and evil.

But, I don't see that getting much traction.

hoisted on your own petard

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