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red13n posted...

KBM why are you being so passive with so many players essentially going after you.

Sorry, because it's Sunday and I'm tired and easily distracted. Sundays are my busiest day as I work at a church. Got distracted playing Heroes of the Storm just now, apologies.

I will formulate thoughts on a day when my brain isn't dead; i.e., tomorrow. I really don't put much stock in the same-time claiming debate thing either so I'm just going to say that I'm Randyll Tarly, TOWN Vanilla so we can move on to more important things.

Another reason for my having been passive recently is because honestly I have hardly ever made it this far into a game as TOWN anything, much less as a vanilla where I have a long history of sucking. I almost feel out of my depth to a certain degree, although I will be taking a much closer read-through of recent events tomorrow when my brain can be entirely engaged.

I'm unclear on whether I should just claim now or wait to post it at the same time as other unclaimed players.

I have no problem claiming if that's what people want.

Sorry I haven't been around at all today; it's the boyfriend's day off so we've been doing things.

Doesn't look like there's too much to get caught up on, though; from a skim, we seem to have already reached a reasonable consensus about today.

VIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

<3

As I said, it's entirely possible I might be overthinking it with that particular line of reasoning, but I still don't think a Red/Chris scumteam makes too much sense. Things wouldn't have happened the way they did. Tonally it's just all wrong.

I... don't see how that relates?

Leo3L posted...

Thank God I didn't have to try and lynch Scum Chris and ruin my vacation.

I was actually kind of looking forward to it, myself - I had steeled myself up for it and everything. I kept poking at Chris in different ways and getting the oddest answers in return, but I wasn't sure whether it was because something was off or just because it had been a long time since I'd played the game.

Good work with that shot, though, Jeff.

Jeff Zero posted...

KBM still seems town to me but Chris spent a relatively large number of sentences in that list VI pulled off boasting about how transparent she is to him and how easily he'd rip her to shreds if she were scum.

In fairness that all was absolutely a spiel I've heard before when he was town, so this doesn't really say anything regardless of either of our alignments. There's a good deal of history there.

VeryInsane posted...

Honestly, out of all the town reads Chris has made, red is the one I am most unsure of.

I suppose only time will tell on that one, though

Leo3L posted...

FFD still strongly dislikes Han and especially Red now after Chris's flip.

I might be overthinking this, but I don't think Chris would be so incautious as to talk about his game with me where he abused the shit out of the fact that he knows me, and then do the exact same thing here after already bringing it up and saying "woah wouldn't it be scary if I were doing this?" it seems really REALLY on-the-nose for Chris. We can certainly take this into a circular argument of "well if he thought we would think that then he would do it the other way so bla bla bla" but I'm not interested in getting that meta right now.

Sorry for the overly-convoluted syntax in that last paragraph, I'm just typing stream of consciousness at this point. It's just that, for him to bring up himself how scary it would be if he and Red were on a scumteam together, and then to talk about how he did that once with me, it would be just a little bit too much.

Goddammit

Skyridge87 posted...

Why DID the term buffalo come to mean "this one type of really spicy" anyway?

Buffalo, NY

I think it's 6-6

... I do still want dowolf in the lead though

##Vote: dowolf

##Unvote

In the interests of making sure we have enough time

That's dowolf at -1.

Chess board 1 sounds more realistic to me.

Of course I do find myself tempted to go with the "chest board" just because it sounds like fun

Plus, I feel more comfortable with the people *on* the dowolf lynch than I do with a majority of the rest of the players.

##Vote: dowolf

I'm going to just trust my gut from the beginning of the day here since I don't like the VI lynch or the Shad lynch at all.

Chris, has "Leo as FFD" said anything that you don't think Leo would be able to know somehow?

Especially if Leo had access to an entire scumteam's worth of memories and information?

Han has struck me as off, but I'm not entirely sure I want to B8 special him either.

Someone post a remarkable insight. I'm as torn on what to do as many other people here seem to be.

bng_mmmk posted...

shad

who are your top 4 scum

I would like to know this as well.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yeah, and I also am scum who decided to claim the vig shot that apparently was scum bussed.

Look there's only so many evil plots even I can support at once...!

I didn't say this!

Although far be it from me to underestimate how many evil plots you can juggle.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dude, I've known the guy for like 16 years. I can tell when he is being genuine. He hasn't been playing a good game, I get that, but he is for sure genuine. Red can't fool me.

I know you mentioned this as a hypothetical earlier, but it is unnerving how similar your behavior towards Red is to your behavior towards me in that game you mentioned where the two of us were scum. My nightmare here is that you're actually doing what you said we should be afraid of you doing, using your close familiarity with Red to throw everybody else off his scent.

Yikes you're right that would be scary

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dowolf I think KBM is onto our secret scum communication tactics.

I'm not going to lie, the first thing that popped into my head was an insane conspiracy involving this.

In said conspiracy your scumboard was called the Carry On board because carrion is what crows feast on.

dowolf posted...

Carry on.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Carry on.

Uhh

I am sure there are plenty of reasons Suprak told us not to meta the flavor so I have been trying my best not to despite all the talk about it.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

That was-...

Wait.

We got Arya AND the Faceless men? <_<

I mean this IS Feast For Crows mafia :p

Sooo what's the biggest argument against going back to dowolf? >_>

I'm going to have to go back and comb through the claimed/implied actions here because there's been a lot of content and it's not coming immediately to mind. That seems like it might actually track surprisingly well with what happened, though.

Then again Leo also has a point in that mafia roleblockers are a thing.

Of course I got that post ninja'd entirely with a claim. >_<

And caught up again.

##Vote: Shad

He seems to be trying to slip through here by being super dismissive about everything while providing a bare minimum of content and answers. Content like

Shaduln posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

I understand the idea why people would want my flip in theory but I'd much rather hit a scum to get the ball rolling because things could get ugly fast if we mislynch today with the current player list

Ugh ugh guys see this?

has particularly jumped out at me as just being a super lazy one-liner that isn't insightful or helpful. And the fact that his only response to whether or not he buys death's claim is "not really" - Shad didn't do anything before this topic to make me feel one way or another about him, and that in itself is a red flag. The clipped dismissiveness of all of his posts in this topic, however, is making me feel more comfortable with him as a lynch target.

Also telling is that he's a lot of people's second scum option which could denote either scum who are currently voting him to look good, or scum that want an excuse to be voting for someone else.

I just realized Han never explained what he meant when he called me "Anakin from Episode 2."

VeryInsane posted...

I honestly think questionable people coming out of the woodwork may in fact, actually be a good thing.

It makes it easier to just line them up IMO.

This is true!

(This ALL comes with the footnote that my memory is probably one of the worst of the players in this game so if I'm mis-citing something I apologize - but yeah somehow or another I think I would remember having to fool Chris more than once.)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I admit playing in several other communities over the years has dulled my memory a bit, or rather I only have so much memory space. I remembered a long string of games where I cleared you as town though. I hope that happened.

Okay fair enough, you weren't saying what I thought you were saying then, I guess. And yeah, I am almost positive on this; I can only remember having had to deal with the stress of you being part of a town while I was scum once.

That said I also might have forgotten a couple games where you, like, got killed on the first night or something so you weren't a factor. I just don't remember really having to deal with you in many of my scum games. (And there was a very, very long string of town games there that we were both in as well, which we both definitely remember correctly.)

More on the subject of this game, though: I do still feel like you shifting the conversation to VI is strange. I'm not entirely tracking your logic, which is usually pretty easy to understand when you're town, so that has me cautious. There are many people whose lynches I would be okay with today but the logic on VI isn't really sticking for me and is bringing some really questionable people out of the woodwork to join you.

Yeah I don't see a problem with that; I think that part of the argument is kind of silly.

VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

As far as this goes, I'm talking specifically about Dowolf's vote, and Chris and MI's comments immediately after you brought it up at the beginning of this topic. It doesn't sit right with me.

Like, you're literally Chris, I feel like with your encyclopedic memory you should know that was a "one time out of one" deal.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Are you saying I don't know your town game? I was calling you town because I feel like you're easy to read because you wear your heart on your sleeve.

Are...you scum?

I'm just saying that for you to say "she's only fooled me once" is really disingenuous when there's literally only been one game that I was in where I was scum and you weren't. That stuck out to me.

My Immortal posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened

am I reading this wrong? Nana is flailing for a read so you read him as more town?

He's flailing in the sense that it's very clear he doesn't have any idea who is what. I'm definitely getting more of a clueless townie vibe from him anymore than anything else.

I don't want to dwell on this though because I'm not upset about it or anything and talking about myself isn't particularly helpful or relevant at the moment.

I mean I wasn't going to quote it but

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I am pretty sure I could spot a scum KBM in about three seconds flat and brutally murder her. KBM has always been one of those players that just draws negative attention because how she plays the game. She doesn't know how to protect herself and she is really high strung about critique, which is fine I personally go into a murderous rage over 'mercs' once every few years so I don't have many stones left to throw, but it does make her a soft target for suspicion. I think I was on a scum team with her one time and I just kind of abused my ability to read her and it got people really annoyed with me. Man, I love doing stuff like that. Like for example if me and red are scumbuddies you're all screwed. We're not, but if we were... screwed.

Anyway so KBM is pretty transparent to me most of the time, with only one game that fooled me at all so I'll be taking that to the bank.

Maybe not so much "rude" as "wantonly incorrect", that's a better choice of words.

Not especially! Although maybe I'm focusing too much on your really rude paragraph about me. I don't think I have even BEEN scum in a game with you more than once, so you're either mistaken or lying to make yourself look better when you're throwing all those insults my way.

##Vote: Death

Not only does Death feel like a better choice to lynch right now, to me, but I also trust VI and Han more than I do the people on VI's lynch, so we have that.

Goddammit I just typed up this whole post and then I reflexively pressed F5 and it's gone. Should have typed it up in Notepad like I usually do.

Anyway, the gist was that I don't see the argument on VI and I think dowolf is being quite opportunistic in leaping to the VI train. A leap which seems to at least in part be predicated on the idea that a scum VI is lying about a literal hit and run to make himself look better in a mafia game. That's not something y'all should be factoring in here. I've been accused of doing this kind of thing before - every single time as town - so I'm not feeling good about this lynch and I'm feeling the worst about dowolf's opportunistic vote.

Meanwhile I still don't like Death and he, too, seems a reasonable alternative to the random VI train.

And I know Chris is going to yell at me for calling the VI train random, but I'm not talking about Chris' vote, which actually makes a certain amount of sense (even though he also goes on to call a hit and run convenient); I more just don't buy dowolf jumping to it at all. In his vote post he says

dowolf posted...

Thinking on things overnight, I really want to go after Death or VI, where the question is mostly, do I want to go after the person who either bowed really quickly under pressure or showed critical thinking? Or do I want to go after the guy who double down on aggression?

But then we go back to how things were last night, where I pointed out how VI was basically inactive for the last half-hour before lynch. If I am right regarding it being a town/town/town lynch at the end there -- and, quite frankly, I am willing to bet the house that it was -- what will scum want to do? Well, they will want to stay quiet and make sure it's town that winds up looking bad for pushing the death of whoever flips town. Shit adds up.

This feels to me like "well, of the two lynches that look the most likely to me right now, one of them is an easy target because Chris will scream at anybody who doesn't vote him (editor's note: the idea that Chris' play has changed at all is just funny to me now) and the other one is my scumbuddy so I'll turn this on VI".

I just really don't like it, it feels really disingenuous, and it ties into my feelings on his random swap to Nana at the end of Day 1.

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened - and Puns who .... uhh isn't the most trustworthy person either right now.

(I said "this is the gist" but I almost got to the length of the previous post anyway wooo)

Okay, catching up on the last topic as best I can right now.

I have to confess though there are a LOT of people I think could be scum right now, and apart from my irritation over how the day ended and dowolf's useless vote, I'm kind of no longer leaning towards him than towards anybody else on my list (which actually includes Shad, Death, and Puns at the moment).

##Unvote for the time being

HanOfTheNekos posted...

KBM is a good choice. Was on my radar yesterday and I feel like she fell off because a bunch of people were saying "KBM is obvtown guys" and then she disappeared.

The argument was that she couldn't fake her anger, but her first post this day felt like I was watching an Anakin scene in episode 2.

I have no earthly idea what you mean by this comment.