Lurker > Alany

Drakeryn posted...

but this terrain is great for range (especially ranged fliers like Pit + Neptune).

Neptune isn't particularly a ranged flier, though. She's primarily melee with a katana. Pit is the only majorly ranged flier here.

On another note, I'm not sure about Bass' shields/barrier/aura as I'm not exactly a Mega man fan, but from what I've read above he would practically nullify the ranged advantage until they were broken.

Tom Bombadil posted...

and she can fly

Tom Bombadil posted...

and there's no reason for her to just start off with it like the mahou shoujo she is

Both of these are true (Although she's nothing like a mahou shoujo bar transformation sequence.), all it takes to transform to HDD is 20% of her SP in-game, although if she breaks from combat she returns to normal (I believe?).

Skyridge87 posted...

Isn't that how Raiden beat Armstong? Outspeed his nanomachines?

Not exactly.

Sam sliced off Armstrong's arm due to outpacing his nanomachiens. But despite this Armstrong just fused it back to his arm after using the now bladed stump to wreck Sam. Raiden simply wore down Armstrong through the nanomachines, hence why at the end he simply can't muster more to protect himself from being impaled.

Those were Neptune's EXE attacks, which require build-up like Limit breaks, so unfortunately it's not something you can begin the fight with.

Lopen posted...

Would like to know Neptune's contribution if any. Does she BUFF. Does she DISPEL LIFE AURA..

I can't pretend to know a titanic amount about Hyperdimesnion Neptunia, but an idle look around as well as my knowledge prior shows her to be a typical anime sword combatant with the ability to fly. Almost useless out of her HDD form however. She's part of a JRPG though, so she's probably got a hundred and ten skills.

Tom Bombadil posted...

but that frontline is going to be chewed up something awful by a range-heavy team on this terrain,

And both Armstrong and Diablo can take it. Even without a vaccume and imagining that Pit/MM hit 100% of their shots despite the fact they're firing into a melee and risk hitting their own allies, I wouldn't count on them downing Diablo, Bass AND Armstrong before the battle was up. The only non-tanky enemy for them here is Ryu Hayabusa and that guy's got more than enough credibility to dodge and parry considering his experience deflecting gattling gun fire and dodging missiles in flight.

Public enemy #1 hits the scene.

In this fight we have several major factors, in fact honestly all of these characters bring a lot to the table in my opinion (Bar Neptune.)

Unfortunately with the sheer tankiness of Diablo, Armstrong and Bass they will outlast if this turns in a battle of trading blows. Zero and the enemy will have to attack decisively and ruthlessly to get the upper hand.

Ryu Hayabusa has a definitive edge against Death as his primary weapon, The True Dragon Sword is a holy weapon and an immensely strong one at that.

Pit I feel poses the largest problem, but considering there are plenty of Islands to throw, magic for Diablo to utilize and room for Ryu Hayabusa to utilize his cadre of ranged weaponry and Ninpo (Arrows that gib demonic enemies, giant cannon, black hole ninpo) along with of course Bass and his barriers I feel he cannot effectively solo if the rest of his team crumples.

Zero is a formidable foe, but considering his resurrection comes in only if Mega man dies first I'm having trouble imagining a scenario in which that happens due to the following.

In this fight the front liners are Diablo, Armstrong and Ryu Hayabusa, with Bass who can also pull as one while their opposition is Death, Neptune and Zero. I feel in melee range they are both outnumbered and on a whole outclassed, thus would be better suited to hitting and running, a direct engagement would not be well suited for this team due to the sheer front loaded strength of their opponents.

In such an engagement Diablo's team has a clear disadvantage. While each of their principal members has methods of attacking at range, bar Hayabusa they're not effective against high speed targets. The best way I can imagine an engagement in this case is Armstrong pulling a Diablo fastball at the opponent, but I don't feel Diablo allowing that is very in character. Meanwhile the other team is almost universally suited with ranged attacks, bar Neptune and Zero.

On maneuverability Diablo's team is also on the downside. Diablo themself is very slow and cumbersome, Armstrong while he can be fast is not very dexterous agile. This leaves Bass and Ryu Hayabusa to make up for that lack, which I'm not sure if they can do. While Hayabusa has superhuman agility, teleportation and the ability to create floating platforms, he's definitively not enough to funnel the enemy team (especially with it's flier) into his own.

All in all this is a tough match to call on. I'm going to go with my gut however and say Bass. With regenerative abilities, tankiness and a balanced team I feel they'll be able to pull out a victory.

Immune: Gravy
Boot: Prof

KommunistKoala posted...

not sure what PHY and INT get but you can check.

PHY gets additional attack. Which is ironically the worst they could get.

Man, I pulled SS3 Angel Goku. My JPN account is going just PERFECT now with 3 Super-Mono leads. Both SS4s and now Angel Ku.

TIME BREAKER BARDOCK ANNOUNCED!

Oh and another SS3 Goku

KJH posted...

Saying he fires black holes is 100% disingenous

"This Ninpo focuses the telekinetic energy created by the centripetal vibrations of the caster’s lower dantian (Ki focal point), then directs the shape of the energy using gravitational waves propagated by the caster’s conscious spirit. This creates a gravitational abnormality, forming a rotating black hole"

KJH posted...

Plasma Saber's a ng+ exclusive weapon that's not even canon.

You know what is canon? Yaiba and NG3.



KJH posted...

And that other stuff making those guys out to be planet busters is just ridiculous.

Then you might be ignoring the backstory where Vigoor is an almost omnipotent embodiment of all evil, who f***ed up Gurdu, the creation god who made the NG universe.

In the books describing NG's genesis he essentially turned Earth into hell

"The ancestor of all Evil Deities, Vigoor, began to devour the territory of Gurdu, beginning at its center. During endless solar and lunar eclipses, the earth shook and split, the seas dried up only to flood into existence again, and intense winds swept over everything and fires burned down all of existence, ignoring even the concept of time itself." -The Book of Evil Deities, Ninja Gaiden

And you see, the things that beat Vigoor? The 13 dragons. What killed those you might ask? The youngest dragon, the dark dragon got possessed by Vigoor and slaughtered the rest of them, before basically ending the world.

Now who killed the Dark Dragon? Ryu Hayabusa.

Not to mention, when you begin to fight the Vigoorian Emperor, the avatar of Vigoor, he begins the entire thing by warping reality. Not to mention converting Ryu into a demon across the game with essentially no save bar "Kill him"

And more conventional threats beneath those? Possessed statue of liberty, lightning devil gods, a goddess that can cut skyscrapers in half.

KJH posted...

(the force is way stronger than ninpo

Yeah, sure. When you get to the level of "I am a literal force god that eats planets", sure. Until then tell me when a Jedi can fire off BLACK HOLES at his opponents please.

KJH posted...

and most of the time a lightsaber will be stronger than a magic sword

I guess we could just give Ryu his Plasma Saber, considering that was a weapon equal to the True Dragon Sword. It'd sure as hell stop this f***ing dumb downplaying.

KJH posted...

Ryu H is just a movie Jedi

Except the part where Ryu H basically solos a planetary being in nearly every game. Vigoor could split the planet in half, the Dark Dragon could f*** up the entire universe and even the original Demon from the NES game.

So yeah. Guess you could compare him to Luke, if you replace an X-Wing with the true dragon sword. I 100% think he'd solo a deathstar or two too.

KJH posted...

has him pretty much dying on screen after the second level from one sword slash,

Like, yeah. Sure. If you assume that the swords they're throwing around most of the series despite their immense and absolute lore strength have "just" the strength of a regular sword, then sure.

But then you may as well call a Light saber "just a sword", call the Monardo "Just a sword" or hell Zero's Saber, Yamato, Rebellion, etc.

In lore he's just struck by one of the strongest opponents and in lore, Doku. The Black Dragon sword is a sword that embodies essentially the entropy of the universe, carved out of the most malevolent being that existed and grows exponentially stronger with the more people it kills and explicitly contains the strength of evil deities.

But no. It's all down to "He gets cut once" durability. Despite multiple showings of being in titanic AoE blasts, getting impaled and mauled in game-play, multiple other games displaying otherwise.

But, no. He's just

KJH posted...

peak human

Let's forget he explodes humans with arrows, let's forget he parries machinegun fire, let's forget he dodges missiles mid-flight and let's forget he fought fought a possessed statue of liberty and won, let's forget he dodges lightning, let's forget he survives 1000 foot drops, let's forget his teleportation and afterimage speeds, let's forget he actively wields weapons as big as himself with ease.

Because he's just "peak human." Nothing else.

I nominate Kanzaris.

Honestly though I don't want to separate the tiers as for the most part, general mercs aside it doesn't really fit the theme of Imperial Mercenaries. It's a game much like RoTK in concept, so why would you suddenly be unable to send Lu Bu to fight on certain days of the week?

KJH posted...

Way more people were winning battles from their paydowns than you were from potential ability spam.

And Kanzaris was the one who won. I think that's evident enough of his success and their failure.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

If anyone would argue for Chief and Ryu H, please step up - I'd really appreciate the help!

Sure.

Anyone watched Panty and Stocking here? How would one place them on upkeep levels?

swordz9 posted...

I don't want to do that since the fight takes longer when the game forces you to use gimped teams. I SHOULD have had my 15 SA Trunks by now. This game is just getting more irritating as it goes on and 5 day tournaments are a load of shit too especially for such awful prizes. With that, these bogus rates and the power creep this game is just getting kind of stupid and I find myself wondering why I even bother wasting any time on it. All drops should be guaranteed to save us from dumb RNG bullshit since only the dumbest people would ever blow stones on stamina refills for events

JP for the most part is just objectively better than GLB on all of these points bar RNG drops.

GANON1025 posted...

By the time SSJ4s come out on globbal, something else better will be out on JP

Nah, Global is catching up at a super speed from what I've seen. Might delay stuff though so the dub can catch up with the release schedule, to get black in the black arc.

KommunistKoala posted...

might do like one multi tonight, but probably gonna save for the Rose Black banner to really try and get Omega (as well as Rose Black)

Probably best to save for SS4s now, hue.