Lurker > Alany

Wanglicious posted...

she's good support.

No, no she's not. Neptune is a SHIT support. She's built universally through the games as a close combat fighter and that's it. She's got a few one-off buffs which are AWFUL because they don't target a group, but only single targetting which last only for a single round, which at max she can cast something like 10 or so times.

GANON1025 posted...

So what SHOULD someone watch in this series after seeing UBW and Fate/Zero? I'm not a CRIMINAL so this prisma show does not interest me. And don't tell me to play the F/SN visual novel

Fate/Apoc, Fate/Grand Order.

If you want to go into tertiary properties I'd recommend the Kara No Kyoukai films. I'd also say that Tsukihime is a good read, but that's a VN.

Otherwise for video games there's Fate/Extra and Extella.

Tom Bombadil posted...

What exactly is the issue with Prism Ilya, anyway? I was kinda hyped to watch it because Ilya but I think I've only heard negativity.

I'm hoping it doesn't have sexy lolis but I'm assuming it has sexy lolis :\

Prisma Illya is an entirely different universe with entirely and absurdly different characters wearing the skins of ones you know. It's abhorrent, doesn't follow the rules of the nasuverse and is filled with dumb fanservice of all kinds.

As for the latter, watch this and you'll have gotten everything you need to know.
https://youtu.be/PFlhoqDs4qU?t=12s

I personally abhor Prisms Illya in all forms for absolutely butchering Type moon lore and characters worse than being hung drawn and quartered.

At least Jack has some sense of reasonability, considering she's the daughter of a whore and when you were a peasant child in Victorian Britain it wasn't really uncommon for you to whore yourself out.

That being said, the design most certainly could have been tasteful and the garb she wore actually in style for the era.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Devil trigger Dante can fly. I don't mean airdash, I mean straight up fly. He shows that off in the DMC pachinko, I can provide videos if needed.

Which means he's popping it to deal with one of his weakest opponents. He can't DT forever so any moment he spends flying to avoid bullets is another one where the 6vs1 is that much harder.

Wanglicious posted...

B) he's just gonna jump on the hind, stab his way into it, take a seat, and bust out of it

Which considering the range it'll be at would mean he's likely out of range of jumping straight back to the tower. This puts him at the mercy of KOS-MOS, Wrex and Bass to bullet spam him in the air, where his maneuverability is weakest.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Temen-Ni-Gru is the gateway to the demon realm. Even Sparda at his full power couldn't destroy it,

Yeah, you've got a point. I was being hyperbolic there, although considering the damage it had suffered during the events of DMC3 I wouldn't be surprised if Temen-Ni-Gru's invulnerable parts are primarily just the chassis and the most bare bone parts.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Yamato cuts building-sized things from multiple city blocks away >_>

I'm not saying it isn't, I even mentioned that with the big iajutsu slash he used against the big gate in the series more than easily could destroy the Hind, my issue was that from what we've seen that takes build up. He won't get that build up when the entire upper half of the tower is getting destroyed.

Wanglicious posted...

honestly i'd assume yamato just splits it in two.

Yamato certainly does. But using melee would leave him more open to someone like KOS-MOS as if he does the big iajutsu slash he'll most certainly get tagged by the immense firepower of the Hind D. He'd have to jump over and cut it to bits, which leaves him open as he can't maneuver fully in the air.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Realistically I think Dante just shoots Liquid to death with Ebony and Ivory

Ebony and Ivory are M1911 pistols, which have an effective range of 50 meters, even assuming that Dante's modifications have doubled that the Hind D can more than easily outpace that.

Couple this with the HIND is heavily fortified against small and medium arms fire, able to shrug off .50 caliber shots even to its rotor blades and withstand 20-mm cannon hits thanks to ballistic-resistant windscreens and a titanium-wrapped cockpit tubs and the only way Dante is killing the DOUBLE PARAMETER Hind-D is through his swords or a really, really big and dedicated demonic blast through his pistols.

Let's see what the Hind-D can throw back at Dante. The Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23, a is a twin-barreled 23 mm autocannon that fires 3600 rounds a minute and does not require any spool up time. Couple this with double parameters and this is firing 7200 rounds a minute, 120 rounds a second.

Along with this it's equipped with 57mm missile pods and The outer pylons are fitted with guided anti-tank missiles, this variety of missiles all can take Dante down with a single direct hit. And of course, considering the multiple missile pods and double parameters Liquid gets to go ham with that rate of fire, explosion radius and otherwise considering all of these are inherent to the hind.

The Hind D is not to be underestimated, especially when in the (double parameter) hands of Liquid, who took down two F16s which go at 1,350 mph (2,175 km/h) with primarily unguided weaponry while in a snow-storm.

Wanglicious posted...

oh. yuffie doesn't have her own stuff at all?

Yuffie is Neptune. It's weird Mercs magic.

Raziel

With everyone on the lookout for Chrom, Raziel has the opportunity to truly wreck havoc. I feel like the two considering the gunship in the air would take cover inside the castle as soon as possible. With the super huge castle on the mountain structure I don't feel the gunship would be of much use unless they begin to raze the entire fort to the ground.

With Yuffie in the air, that leaves Sephiroth and Geralt. I personally take +50% Raziel above Sephiroth, especially considering the potential advantage of in-doors combat with a sword Sephiroth's size and Raziel's invisibility.

If this were an open terrain and engagement, I'd easily take Yuffie/Seph, but in this case neither particularly have the abilities to win here. Eventually the gunship will run out of fuel or Yuftune will land. In either case, Raziel wins.

EmDubyaSee posted...

I don't know. I've only seen scans of it. It's barely been out in Japan. Let alone done by Viz here yet.

So... what you're saying is you know nothing about the attack at all and yet you're posting about it on here?

EmDubyaSee posted...

It's in the manga.

Give us a page then

Elaborate and post video evidence please

swordz9 posted...

This game makes my phone feel pretty hot sometimes. It has also closed itself out a couple times for seeming no reason so hopefully that's nothing to be concerned about

It's a very resource intensive game. If you don't have a super, SUPER good phone it'll probably crash occasionally.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Is it worth anything to level/ascend servants I don't really plan on using?

Some events can make certain classes and servants more than viable (and in some case absurdly strong even). I'd say yes.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

as well as all the needed equipment for an officially sanctioned game of chess.

Eddv posted...

There wouldn't be formalized rules for the game

The place write-up by official FIDE, The World Chess Organization allows for people to request certain items prior to a match by 10.2e in their Standards of Chess Equipment and tournament venue. Through this Alucard could more than easily request a rulebook if there is not one already supplied.

Tom Bombadil posted...

you can do that one at a time, can't you?

Yeah, but only the 4th one buffs up the ability. Otherwise it's just +stats.

Raka_Putra posted...

Got another copy of that 25% Buster Card boost Craft Essence, I think I should keep it? In case I want to go yolo with a 2-berserker party >_>

Keep it until you can get 4 copies. When you have 4 copies you can combine them all into a super card with a buffed power both in stats and strength

Mac Arrowny posted...

Why not use Fous? They have more impact earlier than later.

What do you mean?

GANON1025 posted...

I had CEs on Jeanne and Cu before putting in Emiya. I felt like they weren't making that much of a difference, it's hard to say

Yeah, 1* ones do nothing. 3*+ are good though. I'd put an arts buffer or NP gain buffer on Jeanne to help build up her NP real quick.

A greatline up indeed Ganon. Honestly I'd recommend dropping out EMIYA/Cu for CEs though. Even bad ones can make a difference.

LapisLazuli posted...

Got my first five-star essence! Limited/Zero Over.

Man, if you have a Heracles put that shit straight on him. That thing will make him horrendously strong.

I believe so Koala. I grinded the 2nd mat quest myself and got my 3rd ascension materials for Waver pretty quick.

AfroSquirrel posted...

Someone has a screencap of their Arturia that is already fully ascended, grailed thrice, and NP5.

Wait, 5*s can get grailed 3 times? I thought it was only once.

Lopen posted...

I don't know if you guys were overleveled for it or not

Level 50 Waver, Level 40 Berserker and level 60 Gilgamesh. Jalter unfortunately was stomped.

KommunistKoala posted...

according to JP timeline it was like 8-9 months before they got her iirc. of course we seem to be speeding up a bit compared to them so probably not that long but still a decent chunk of time

I sure hope we get all of the quartz they did, I don't have any money to whale for Jalter.

crazygamer999 posted...

Jeanne Alter gacha pull when?

A few months or so I believe. I'm going to be saving everything for her myself.

DeathChicken posted...

That's less Terra disrespect even, more "Drac, Sora, Kuja are all mightily over her head." Alice slightly less so, but she has Invincible Banshee Mode to fall back on. I see that catching Terra way the hell off guard if it comes to it.

The issue is Terra buys enough seconds for Archer to go ham and if even one person on your team dies due to archer it's geegee.

DeathChicken posted...

Jumping is generally pretty stupid versus someone who can fly. They can correct course, you can't. I don't *think* Archer is this stupid, but feel free to correct me.

And what if you just jump faster than they can fly?

DeathChicken posted...

I find it highly unlikely that Archer gets to engage Kuja in melee, since Kuja can, y'know...fly back,

And Archer can jump good.

DeathChicken posted...

I am more inclined to think this is more a matter of "Who can shoot faster, Dracula or Terra?" Answer there is Dracula,

The answer there is Archer, to be honest. Rip Dracula, Alice and Sora. Caladbolg 2OP

DeathChicken posted...

No, I think you're criminally overrating Archer's ability to deal with magic on the caliber of Kuja and Dracula

And you're completely disregarding Terra without a single note and assuming every single scenario from the start is essentially without her or that both Cloud and Archer do nothing while she's getting killed.

In those few seconds Archer could have already Caladbolg'd half of the enemy party and killed them.

Regardless of arguing however, Archer.

DeathChicken posted...

I put lugging a complaining Shirou around just a bit lower on the scale than having to deal with an invincible banshee

In the end they're both as effective in combat in comparison to Archer.

DeathChicken posted...

if she slows Archer down *at all* then he's probably going to die.

See I just straight up disagree here. You're criminally disrespecting Archer here.

DeathChicken posted...

Frankly if he goes for a "single hit or grab" then Kuja nukes and he's done.

Why? He literally went and carried Shirou around for half of the fight with Caster and both of them came out unscathed. In this case it's even more trivial to do it than that.

DeathChicken posted...

You have a literally invincible shrieking banshee hitting him with a sledgehammer. If anything, I see this annoying Archer enough to take a moment he can't afford (not when dealing with magic on the level of Kuja and Dracula) to deal with her crazy ass.

All it'd take is a single hit or grab and she's thrown off of the small terrain and into the abyss.

On top of that...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Worth noting that Alice's hysteria mode only pops if she ends up near death. If she dies flat out it won't trigger I don't think.

There's this fact. A single slice, a single throw of a sword could deal with her.

DeathChicken posted...

Rider's the only one who somehow manages to job even harder than Caster on most routes, so that's no great example

And even her I would take to destroy your team here, to be honest.

DeathChicken posted...

That's Caster's thing, really. She's never any great shakes in a fight (comparatively speaking anyway). If she gets into one without her huge amounts of prep, she tends to lose. She lost to, off the top of my head, Saber, Gilgamesh, Archer, Fake Assassin, kung fu Rin...

But she absolutely destroys Rider with buffed Master, beats Saber in multiple routes and she doesn't get beaten by F.Assassin. She's only jobbed primarily to Gilgamesh, Archer and Kung Fu Rin (and even in that case didn't die)

Lopen posted...

On the other hand given the scenarios she jobs in, would Kuja do much better against those opponents? Enclosed space with Rin getting the drop on him? Kung Fu Rin could take out Kuja I think.

Considering by raw parameters Caster can use her tiny impractical dagger to sever someone's arm and with her hand strength alone to crush someone's skull. This puts her physical attributes far above Kuja from what I know.

DeathChicken posted...

It gave Archer an utterly clear shot from ground level to Caster hovering above. He used it, she died (after trying to throw up a shield in front of the arrow that didn't work). That was one of the worst tactical plans she could have come up with.

Except at close range she's fucked as well. Archer beats caster 10/10 times because he has a solid counter to almost everything she does. Caster with prep time though would probably beat Archer, but in a straight no-prep fight Archer stomps her 10/10 times unless she destroys the entire terrain.

DeathChicken posted...

Basically he's being given credit to check three people here. Two of which directly should be able to drop him if they land a clean shot.

And you're giving zero credit to Terra, honestly.

DeathChicken posted...

That's...odd, even for Archer hype.

Not really, no. If anything that's exactly where Archer shines and that's shown to be exactly the case in every single fight. Lancer, Caster, Berserker, etc all if they could tag Archer would kill him. And eventually Berserker does, but he does a tremendous amount of times before he does so.

DeathChicken posted...

I'll just post the obvious vid too, of where he beats Cloud, Squall, Yuffie and Tifa on his own.

In an entirely game-play optional content plotless sequence? That's like saying saying that because Cloud, Tifa and Barret beats Omega weapon that he's stronger than it.

DeathChicken posted...

No, no they didn't. That's a solid "One guy got whupped and it wasn't Sora."

That's a 1vs3 and he isn't even solidly beaten.

DeathChicken posted...

Sora beats Cloud

Even in his own game Sora can't defeat Cloud. They always tie.

Incidentally Cloud also flies. So that's something too.