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Puns: thoughts on post 318?
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Leo3L posted...

I have no idea what you're referring to, but if it isn't modkillable and the alternative is town losing the game...scum is already going to say the existence of my role was unfair and cost them them the game.

I feel as though it isn't modkillable, but there's no tangible difference to me getting modkilled and town losing and me getting mislynched and town losing.
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Anyways, there's an argument that I've been wanting to make but have vasciliated back and forth on because I'm not entirely sure it's kosher.

Basically, why end of day 3/start of day 4 means you can't buy me/Red/Han as scum buddies.

I'll make the argument if everyone, and I mean everyone, consents to it. I'm not dealing with bullshit from Chris, Han, or whoever after game saying that what I did or said was unfair and cost them the game.
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My Immortal posted...

I'd like to point out that I have justification to why vi is town while Nana said "he's town because scum doesn't need to ml him anyway"

Your justification is "I feel he's different from another game."
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Leo3L posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Leo3L posted...

It's two of:

Nana, Red, MI

"How hard can it be to not screw this game up"

So about that VI read?

Not yet. I want everyone to explain their own VI reads before I explain my soul read. Scum desperately needs him as a mislynch option so I want to see who's going to go after despite my protection, or who avoids him out of what seems like fear and and because they have a good reason to think he's town. And yes, explaining the plan is part of plan.

RED

NANA

MI

What do you think of:

VI
VI
VI
VI
VI
VI

I've no interest in lynching VI.

I actually challenge the assumption that VI is "desperately needed to be a ML". If scum is two of me, MI, and Red, they don't even need VI as a ML because they have [me, but from a non-me perspective, whichever of the three isn't scum].
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Could be hubris. They think they are going to win today so LEo won't have the opportunity to recruit Death
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Leafeon13N posted...

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bng_mmmk posted...

So death was really blocked since n1. Lynching the blocker today and getting his scan would be epic. That's kind of surprising they'd choose to block leo instead of blocking death just in case?

I feel like everyone except leo is on the table.

MI/Nana feels unlikely.

MI/red and Nana/red seems plausible.

If VI is scum I think it could be with anyone and I really don't have a reason to like him.

I probably want to start out by reading the end of day 2 again. Would be a good place to start to see how people interacted with VI/his lynch. Thankfully this is on a weekend so I can really pour over the game tomorrow

I agree that it's probably MI/Red.

If it's VI/MI, there would have been no scum no FFD's lynch, but would have been 4 scum on Dowolf pushing him over VI on Day 2.

I, personally, feel the best lynch today is Red. More elaboration from me after Immy chimes in.

This is dumb logic because scum has no reason to jump on a lynch that is full town charge. It's basically a free pass day 1. Puns could be scum though but I'm not leaning that way.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?
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bng_mmmk posted...

So death was really blocked since n1. Lynching the blocker today and getting his scan would be epic. That's kind of surprising they'd choose to block leo instead of blocking death just in case?

I feel like everyone except leo is on the table.

MI/Nana feels unlikely.

MI/red and Nana/red seems plausible.

If VI is scum I think it could be with anyone and I really don't have a reason to like him.

I probably want to start out by reading the end of day 2 again. Would be a good place to start to see how people interacted with VI/his lynch. Thankfully this is on a weekend so I can really pour over the game tomorrow

I agree that it's probably MI/Red.

If it's VI/MI, there would have been no scum no FFD's lynch, but would have been 4 scum on Dowolf pushing him over VI on Day 2.

I, personally, feel the best lynch today is Red. More elaboration from me after Immy chimes in.
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I'm actually really fucking furious that KBM was Town. Wrote out longer stuff but it seemed to unnecessarily deride KBM's play and that would be rude since she can't respond.

Leo3L posted...

The good news is that I was roleblocked and not Death, so if we kill the roleblocker today we can get zombie Death's scan. Recruiting Dowolf too scary.

The bad news is that I clearly don't understand the game state at all and we may lose today. Sorry KBM :(

This has been a pretty interesting game, a lot of back and forth. I hope scum will be gracious in victory despite a lot of strategic taunting going on....!

The neutral news is that I'm drunk and confused

I'm... not sure why they wouldn't roleblock and kill Death so you couldn't even get his scan? Weird
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My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

Oh and VI you asked who has done things when I brought up red being a non entity

But I would argue everyone left (minus Nana) has had more of a presence. Maybe they haven't spearheaded a scum lynch but they've been around, they've been open and communicative. They've seemed to be trying to figure the game out.

Reds comments don't seem to be trying to figure the game out. His comment on the Tarly claims today for example doesn't have a purpose, it served as a distraction. He responded to the same post of mine twice in different ways back to back like he was faking a response and forgot he did! He's scum.

Didn't someone call out Red for posting flavor bullshit?

Yeah, me.

Ok.
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My Immortal posted...

Oh and VI you asked who has done things when I brought up red being a non entity

But I would argue everyone left (minus Nana) has had more of a presence. Maybe they haven't spearheaded a scum lynch but they've been around, they've been open and communicative. They've seemed to be trying to figure the game out.

Reds comments don't seem to be trying to figure the game out. His comment on the Tarly claims today for example doesn't have a purpose, it served as a distraction. He responded to the same post of mine twice in different ways back to back like he was faking a response and forgot he did! He's scum.

Didn't someone call out Red for posting flavor bullshit?
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bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

You know, I remember Red from GOT3 getting MLd day 2 and not really doing anything.

He got MLd day 1 in whatever flavor that was and it's really bothering me I can't remember.

Aaaand Red was in Chrono Cross mafia and bossed it up as PGO Backup but still survived until the last night.

What exactly are you getting at here?

You're calling him legendary but other than him busdriving town to victory in Chrono Cross, I've only seen him get MLd early.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

It's worth grilling someone over when they continually push mislynches the way he has.

Has he? If you are town, he would have ended only two days on confirmed town (Day 5 on you, Day 1 on FFD), which would be tied with MI (Day 1/Day 2 on Dowolf), or VI (if he doesn't vote you here, same votes as MI), all of whom would have been on less MLs than Death (Days 1, 4, and 5)
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

So there's pretty much nothing left I can say in my own defense that hasn't already been said, it seems like. I trust people will go after Nana after I flip and grill Red hard.

You've indicated that you think everyone could be my scum partner - why single out Red here?
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VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

You know, I remember Red from GOT3 getting MLd day 2 and not really doing anything.

He got MLd day 1 in whatever flavor that was and it's really bothering me I can't remember.

Aaaand Red was in Chrono Cross mafia and bossed it up as PGO Backup but still survived until the last night.

Turbopuns was the flavor

AH, yes
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You know, I remember Red from GOT3 getting MLd day 2 and not really doing anything.

He got MLd day 1 in whatever flavor that was and it's really bothering me I can't remember.

Aaaand Red was in Chrono Cross mafia and bossed it up as PGO Backup but still survived until the last night.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I'm still disappointed by your laziness Leo but I understand it since it seems the mason board is basically just acting as a 'confirmation bias' echo chamber.

I mean, the man is going through every single post, I can't see how you can call him lazy

I did the same and you've done it plenty.

I certainly didn't call you lazy.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I'm still disappointed by your laziness Leo but I understand it since it seems the mason board is basically just acting as a 'confirmation bias' echo chamber.

I mean, the man is going through every single post, I can't see how you can call him lazy
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My Immortal posted...

Thinking scum would link themselves so hard today seems like a simplistic thought.

RuPaul season finale! Back in an hour.

I mean, if you're scum with KBM, you have to say this, right?
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Leo3L posted...

Does anyone remember when MI started liking KBM? I guess I'll get there within the hour anyway

MI

My list is pretty similar to Turbo's.

Won't lynch: Jeff, Death, VI, turbo

Could lynch: Leo if what he is saying doesn't end up matching up enough to appease people

Would lynch: KBM, Han, Nana

I want to do some re-reads of those 3 when I have more time though. Nana's probably the right call - he's done stuff I like but the stuff he does is so sporadic which I've been saying since D1 is a scum Nana trait. But then I keep getting distracted by other stuff.

Like, this topic? He had KBM as the 'second player he would lynch after Nana" at the start of the day, then unvoted me and 'entertained KBM', then went back to voting and pushing for me.
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VeryInsane posted...

I honestly am thinking scum is all in on Nana right now

Yeah, I have to agree with this, but I can't fathom why I'm the hill they've chosen to die on.
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My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

I imagine this weird notes argument is way easier to defend against than the undefendable "never interacted with Han" argument

See I feel like this asinine argument looks better for KBM. Nana keeps prodding over stupid things. Nana's acting like he doesn't understand KBM's point about why they look similar, Nana doesn't understand that Chris claiming vig is painting a target on his back. He's posting the most he has all game, but he doesn't seem to actually be reading / ingesting any information.

What the literal fuck.

I understand why they look similar. I'm not the one arguing that they are different. I fucking called them identical. KBM is the one who took issue with me calling them identical because "she reformatted and changed language".

I understand that Chris claiming a vig is painting a target, but it was a vig claim that was impossible to catch him targeting the cop. Yes it painted a target on his back, so "why would scum do that?" etc.

Saying I'm not ingesting information is a load of crock coming from you when you literally posted that my analysis on KBM's statements checked out last topic.
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My Immortal posted...

Regardless of alignment, implying someone e else wrote kbms post makes her so angry I'm uncomfortable and it's not really something that should be pressed imo

Doesn't matter whether or not she fucking wrote the fucking post. Her reposting her 'notes' literally means fucking nothing because the content is the exact fucking same.

I'm not voting for her because I think Chris or whoever the fuck wrote the post, I'm voting for her because she's misrepresenting what happened and I posted all about this last topic and prior. If she thinks I'm voting for her because I don't think she wrote the post, that's markedly inaccurate.
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bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .

This isn't anywhere fucking close to what's happening.

Are you sure?

Earlier you made a comment about how Chris probably wrote the post.

Now hours later here we are. Red said the way she reacted to being accused of not writing the notes was suspect. Leo quoted Red and said Scare and Stan agreed with red.

Or are you so busy tunneling you aren't reading anyone but KBM's posts?

So you're not even reading, cool

I made that comment, then didn't say anything else about the post until KBM doubled down that Shad/Han were protecting me day 1.

She later posts her notes and I say that she's just reposting what she did for the sake of reposting (i.e. "This is literally identical") and she flipped the fuck out.
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htaeD posted...

frankly I am more surprised there is no argument of 'see KBM makes notes that means he is thinking like town'
or 'those notes are forged to make him look more like town'

Seems reasonable.

Notes to post: Omits that MI's information at the end of day-1 is 'easily accessible'.

Her notes say "Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end are all town."

but changes it to "Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end of the day are a VERY town-heavy list, quite possibly all town.", which is more nebulous and implies less information than her notes.
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bng_mmmk posted...

All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .

This isn't anywhere fucking close to what's happening.
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htaeD posted...

again, if you are only arguing something that annoys you, maybe just drop it Nana

Well at this point, KBM is saying that I "desperately want the posts to not be identical to push my Chris-wrote-the-post-agenda", and this flies in the face of her complaining that "The posts weren't identical".

She can't have it both ways. Either I'm pushing an agenda that they are different, or I'm not. It's not schrodingers argument.

Every single thing I've posted about this post vs notes thing has been that they are the same fucking shit. Her new argument that I'm pushing some secret agenda of wanting them to be different is literally the exact opposite what I've been saying.
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bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

He literally DID NOT claim his shot.

He claimed he shot Puns.

If Persistent means he can't be redirected, then he certainly DID NOT shoot Puns.

....the point is you were saying "but what about watcher fear" to which I'm saying "obviously chris didn't give a fuck about being seen targeting a corpse when he began the day by announcing he shot someone". And by claiming vig as scum that's a pretty good sign he wasn't too worried about dying, if you ask me.

Seen by who? If bus driver is scum, he can't be seen by watcher, and has a built in excuse for tracker.

My argument is he wouldn't be worried about being seen AT ALL because scum set it up to not be able to be seen at all.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Identical means identical. One hundred percent.

They are not identical.

How are you going to say "Nana wants them to not be identical" and then complain that I said "They are identical"?
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bng_mmmk posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

And you just eat a watcher claim and sac Chris?

Actually, if Immy is scum, there's no reason SHAd couldn't have killed Stan and Chris used his shot on Scare.

Chris claimed vig immediately on day 2.

Chris was scum.

Chris got shot by Town vig.

Uh, yeah, but this is immaterial to watcher fear.

???

He literally claimed his shot.

In other words, Chris immediately announced that he shot the cop. I don't think he was afraid of people catching him.

He announced he was redirected onto the cop. That's entirely different from "Hey guys I intentionally targeted the cop with a vig shot, my bad."
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

What I don't understand is, why does Nana want my notes to say something different than my post?

Oh, right, because he wants to advance the narrative that it was written by someone else because that's like the cornerstone of his entire argument that I'm scum.

Am I seriously the only one who sees how ludicrously transparent this is?

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID THEY WERE NOT THE FUCKING SAME AND THREW A HISSY FIT WHEN I SAID THEY WERE THE SAME
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nana are you SERIOUSLY having this much trouble parsing what I'm trying to say? Nobody else is so it seems really fucking unlikely this isn't an act.

You're saying your post and your notes are "Not identical". They contain identical content. The fact that one is formatted differently means jack shit.
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bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

And you just eat a watcher claim and sac Chris?

Actually, if Immy is scum, there's no reason SHAd couldn't have killed Stan and Chris used his shot on Scare.

Chris claimed vig immediately on day 2.

Chris was scum.

Chris got shot by Town vig.

Uh, yeah, but this is immaterial to watcher fear.

???

He literally claimed his shot.

He literally DID NOT claim his shot.

He claimed he shot Puns.

If Persistent means he can't be redirected, then he certainly DID NOT shoot Puns.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Copy Leaks says the two posts have 422 words in common and are 72.9% identical.

Source: https://copyleaks.com/compare/two-documents/c0c063a9-9428-4277-8215-0f0335d13ef0

Highlighted sections are literally identical.

It's almost like I took my three hours of notes, copy/pasted them into Word, and edited it into comprehensible sentences!

Oh, wait, that's exactly what I did.

*throws my fucking hands in the air*

THEN WHY WERE YOU SO FUCKING OFFENDED WHEN I SAID THEY WOULD BE THE SAME WHEN I PUT THEM IN A PLAGIARISM CHECKER?

WHY THE FUCK DOES THE FACT THAT YOU CHANGED WORDS NOT MEAN THAT YOU LITERALLY SAID THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING?
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htaeD posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Big mondo chunks of your "notes" are directly transposed into your post. Grammar is slightly different, but if I ran those through a plagiarism detector they wouldn't pass.

Now he's accusing of plagiarizing my own notes. What the shit is wrong with you.

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Are you just being dense?

Like, if me saying your "notes" and "post" are literally the same is an issue, I'm going to put them in a plagiarism detector and tell you EXACTLY how similar they are.

you know
I dont get why this makes KBM scummier to begin with

It doesn't, but it's pissing me off that KBM is insinuating that adding "meanwhile" in front of a paragraph or adding an extra space between paragraphs or changing the word "goes" to "going" means that the two posts aren't literally saying the exact same shit is asinine, and then insinuating that me "lying about the two posts not being EXACTLY IDENTICAL DOWN TO THE SAME FUCKING WORD" means I'm lying scum is ridiculous and just an excuse to vote for me.
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Copy Leaks says the two posts have 422 words in common and are 72.9% identical.

Source: https://copyleaks.com/compare/two-documents/c0c063a9-9428-4277-8215-0f0335d13ef0

Highlighted sections are literally identical.
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bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

And you just eat a watcher claim and sac Chris?

Actually, if Immy is scum, there's no reason SHAd couldn't have killed Stan and Chris used his shot on Scare.

Chris claimed vig immediately on day 2.

Chris was scum.

Chris got shot by Town vig.

Uh, yeah, but this is immaterial to watcher fear.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Big mondo chunks of your "notes" are directly transposed into your post. Grammar is slightly different, but if I ran those through a plagiarism detector they wouldn't pass.

Now he's accusing of plagiarizing my own notes. What the shit is wrong with you.

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Are you just being dense?

Like, if me saying your "notes" and "post" are literally the same is an issue, I'm going to put them in a plagiarism detector and tell you EXACTLY how similar they are.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I mean I snipped a few observations out for time - something you could already ascertain if you actually compared my notes for the first day to my original post. Obviously you didn't because you claimed they were "literally identical" (another lie, for those keeping track).

But no as I said at the beginning of the day when I made those posts, I touched it up for grammar and put it into paragraphs, and that's mostly it.

Uh, if you didn't have some asinine perspective where I'm "not responding to you", you would know that T10P295 literally quoted and responded to this accusation.

Big mondo chunks of your "notes" are directly transposed into your post. Grammar is slightly different, but if I ran those through a plagiarism detector they wouldn't pass.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.

Do you want the rest of my raw notes? That took three hours straight of work. No one fucking wrote it for me.

Yes, would love raw notes, but do they even say anything, from an actual content perspective, that your first posts don't say? If not, why bother?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Well and Puns. Puns feels like such a sure thing that I forgot about him and thought I'd listed everybody else in the game.

Speaking of Puns, I'd love to see some up-to-date thoughts from him. Been radio silence there for an awful long time.

So. Basically, "Nana is scum and anyone could be his partner"?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I'm wondering, for those saying Nana is scum, who is his scum buddy

Red, MI, Death, or you, with an outside chance of Leo.

Basically Nana is the only sure bet for today. He's just spouting so many outright lies and not bothering to respond when I point them out. It's convinced Leo, apparently, so it's working.

So basically I could be partnered with anyone except Puns.

The idea that I'm not responding to you is outrageous, I've responded to most if not all of your posts today.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

And you just eat a watcher claim and sac Chris?

Actually, if Immy is scum, there's no reason SHAd couldn't have killed Stan and Chris used his shot on Scare.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.

Sure, but Ninja doesn't bypass protection.

We know (or are at least fairly confident) that Chris shot Stan directly. His first post about the bus driver was less than one minute after day was posted, which means he only had 14 minutes to fully formulate a fake vig claim on Puns. Speculation, but what's he going to do if there wasn't a bus drive?

Furthermore, Stan was the OBVIOUS watcher target. Is Chris so bold to straight up shoot claimed cop with a potential watcher on town?

Scum should have had massive tracker/watcher fear going with ninja on their own team.

Yes. Exactly. I have only played three games with Chris - are his balls big enough to straight up shoot the cop on night 1 with no other town power claimed?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.

Sure, but Ninja doesn't bypass protection.

We know (or are at least fairly confident) that Chris shot Stan directly. His first post about the bus driver was less than one minute after day was posted, which means he only had 14 minutes to fully formulate a fake vig claim on Puns. Speculation, but what's he going to do if there wasn't a bus drive?

Furthermore, Stan was the OBVIOUS watcher target. Is Chris so bold to straight up shoot claimed cop with a potential watcher on town?

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Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.

Sure, but Ninja doesn't bypass protection.

We know (or are at least fairly confident) that Chris shot Stan directly. His first post about the bus driver was less than one minute after day was posted, which means he only had 14 minutes to fully formulate a fake vig claim on Puns. Speculation, but what's he going to do if there wasn't a bus drive?

Furthermore, Stan was the OBVIOUS watcher target. Is Chris so bold to straight up shoot claimed cop with a potential watcher on town?
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My Immortal posted...

I mean they had nice town/town wagons days 1 and 2.
They had a pretty set scum lynch days 3 and 4

Where would they have abused this prior to today?

Also acting like I deserve to be r1 and not red is dumb

The day was almost entirely me and Han sitting at 2-2. i wouldn't call that "set". Wasn't really set until Jeff and Red jumped on later in the second half of the day.
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My Immortal posted...

While i can see yhe case against either of kbm or Nana in my mind

Between my gut and Chris defense of Nana d1
##Vote: Nana

I think kbms misinterpreted voting habjts and her defensiveness after are the kind of things that get her mislynched.

If I'm scum, who is my partner?
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htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.
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This is why we need feminism.