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MariaTaylor posted...

either KP just posted in the wrong topic or we've reached the critical mass of political saturation at which even umineko topics have become politicized

LMAO, oops

Also: everyone name your favorite song. Mine is ded and probably always will be
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Heres another article on the Iowa minimum wage thing. Posting this here because it reads like a charicature of this topic's memes.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/22/bill-rolling-back-minimum-wage-hikes-heads-iowa-senate-floor-randy-feenstra-tony-bigignano/99485520/

The measure was approved Wednesday on a 9-6 vote in the Senate State Government Committee with all Republicans in favor and all Democrats opposed.

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"These counties see the poverty and they see the need," said Sen. Tony Bisignano, D-Des Moines, who noted Iowa's minimum wage has not been raised since 2008. A majority of Iowa's minimum-wage earners are women, he added, saying they typically spend 100 percent of their income in their communities, which helps small businesses.

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Sen. Janet Petersen, D-Des Moines, noted that Gov. Terry Branstad, a Republican, had promised to raise Iowans' family incomes by 25 percent when he campaigned for office in 2010. She said Republican lawmakers are, in effect, telling thousands of Iowans they don't deserve an increase in the minimum wage. But Sen. Roby Smith, R-Davenport, who chaired the committee, disagreed, remarking, "Nothing in this bill will prevent someone from being paid higher than the minimum wage.”

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The bill would also prohibit local control for counties on other policy issues, such as paid family leave, implementing a soda tax or banning the use of plastic bags.

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"By guaranteeing wage and employment benefit consistency from town to town in our state, small business owners will have the confidence they need to create more jobs for hard-working Iowans," Everson said.
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metroid composite posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Smuffin are you against legal abortions?

That seems counter to libertarianism.

well, if you believe abortion to be murder abortion obviously violates the NAP.

Okay, but what about this scenario:

1. Lead poisoning is known to cause miscarriages.
2. Corporation dumps lead into town water supply.
3. A bunch of women have miscarriages.

Is there an aggressor in this scenario? Or is this one a-ok?

Nah this is fine. How can corporations create all those jobs if they can't recklessly endanger people's health and/or lives?
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The PS3 art is pretty great but if you're asking me which I would rather have...tough call actually. One thing I like about the crappy art is that it lets your imagination work more, and my imagination is usually better than the CG still in VNs, no matter how good they are. Also George isn't fat anymore, what's up with that?

Also, only one version has this face:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2d/8c/63/2d8c633076f660ab0a87e3ca241efd49.jpg
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Honestly I'm stockholm syndromed into liking the Umineko art by now, the facial expressions are just so great. I just have to be objective about it!
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I think Ryukishi really only decided on Shkanon by Episode 4. That's when he starts to make a few real, actual hints.

Also the real Umineko discussion should be about how the game has awful art and amazing presentation at the same time. The 'scene direction', for lack of a better phrase, is phenomenal. The A++ tier soundtrack & sound effect help with that a lot.
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Pokewars posted...

http://m.startribune.com/regarding-minnesota-s-budget-new-data-demonstrate-the-problem-with-tax-hikes/372490671/

https://fee.org/articles/minnesota-mythbusting/


I think the economy's success or failure is a little more complicated than a few policies imposed (keyword) by one governor.

Those article essentially just go "Minnesota's tax/wage changes may not have been the entire reason for the economic upturn" which is fair, then goes "it doesn't matter at all and may be harmful" which is not.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/22/mcdonalds-ceo-admits-obamas-economy-higher-wages-rousing-success.html
http://www.jwj.org/the-secret-recipe-for-mcdonalds-rising-profits-better-wages

Top income brackets do not drive the economy. Lower-to-middle brackets drive the economy. They're the biggest portion of the population BY FAR and if they have more disposable income then more things get bought. There has never been a single portion in US history where giving big breaks to higher income brackets has ever helped. It either hurts or is masked by economic upturns that were already in progress, allowing rich people to claim that them getting to pad their pockets helps everyone else. Additionally, complaining about minimum wage increases is absurd when the minimum wage has failed to keep up with the rate of inflationin any meaninful sense.

https://tcf.org/assets/images/blog_images/20130214-graph-how-inflation-erodes-the-minimum-wage-and-why-its-time-to-raise-it.png

And if there ever are some isolated instances where being harsher on the top brackets hurts things overall, it's because the those brackets are huge babies that take their ball and go home if someone makes them part with a little more disposable income that they don't need whatsoever. Literally moving out of the state due to tax increases is absurd. Like:

https://tinyurl.com/ly2dxll
https://tinyurl.com/jhw5tvg
http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2011/inequality-p25_averagehouseholdincom.png

Extra wealth for the wealthy is so unnecessary that it's ridiculous. And the second anyone tries to point that out, the Socialism cry is sounded.
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f***, Pokemon

Okay that wins
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Games since WoW have broken into the public consciousness as well - I was more referring to 'up to the point' sort of thing.

Halo I don't think did. That was more of a gamer thing. Nintendogs no way. I wasn't around for Mortal Kombat so I can't say. GTA is a good one though.
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Jakyl25 posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Freaking South Park did an episode dedicated to this.

Also Guitar Hero, which I think surpassed WoW in pop culture relevance

Hmm, you could be right. I forgot about the Guitar Hero and Rock Band era. It's debatable for sure.
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I don't think FF11's peak numbers come close to FF14's peak numbers. It's probably not even in the Top 5 of peak MMO numbers. It was a popular game with incredibly long legs but it was an MMO that didn't take off on PC and largely stayed limited to the PS2. The PC market is the only place where MMOs can truly thrive. FF14 also got a ton of press for having a catastrophically bad launch and then remaking the game from the ground up into a great experience - no one has ever done that before and no one ever will again.
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FF14 is probably the second-most popular MMO of all time and I think it's absolute peak subscribors were like 1/3 (maybe 1/4) of WoW's peak. It's amazing how many other MMOs tried to chase that dream and utterly crashed and burned. Remember Elder Scrolls Online? Me neither! Remember The Old Republic?...Actually I do remember that one for how poor the reception to it was, but yeah.

I think as far as general popular culture goes, WoW has got to be the game since the 8-bit era that broke into the public consciousness the most. Call of Duty is close but I think most of the public just knows it as 'that shooter game'. WoW was super interesting to a lot of people because of how different it was at the time. Video games were creating worlds and communities now, and ones that sucked away your life if you weren't careful. Freaking South Park did an episode dedicated to this.
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Pokewars posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-minimum-wage_us_58dd4b66e4b05eae031e16c6

Republicans Screw Over Working Class; Most Will Probably Be Re-Elected Because Fetus

That article is hilarious in its colour commentary. "Who does this? How do they sleep at night? Monster this and demon that! I don't understand how economics work! Rabble rabble rabble!"

Basically your typical huffpo article.

http://boingboing.net/2016/10/30/how-minnesotas-governor-perf.html
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Not_an_Owl posted...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-minimum-wage_us_58dd4b66e4b05eae031e16c6

Republicans Screw Over Working Class; Most Will Probably Be Re-Elected Because Fetus

Disgusting.
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Nier has really, really good writing. Better than the first and I hold the first in great regard there. I'll write a lot more about it after I finish.
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That's an interesting interpretation although you have to make up a lot of your own stuff to make it work. I think I'm actually just okay with 1-4 being good and 5-8 being worse! It happens all the time in media. Did enjoy Episode 7 a lot though.
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I feel like, as you said, the scope of Umineko seemed to change so often that there's no real true answer, not even to Ryukishi himself. Personally I do think that around episodes 1-4, Ryukishi was trying to make an actual mystery, even if the mystery was secondary to the story/characters/music/presentation. The writing in the games reinforce this. Finding the truth is a primary motivator, and Battler's early reluctance to accuse people on the island simply because he refuses to believe they could be murderers is seen as a sign of weakness. Episode 1 is 95% a classic mystery novel. All the eventual red/blue truth battles are about piercing the veil of magical bullshit to find out what really happened.

Something really seemed to change between 1-4 and Chiru though. I heard that Ryukishi's good friend passed away around this time so I'm not sure if it had something to do with things, but when Chiru started the focus shifted from 'find the truth' to 'the truth is too awful to bear, so hide it away'. Red/truth battles are more aboout obfuscating the truth for your own ends. Pure logic seems to stop mattering as much. Erika, a main villain, is a hyper-obssessed mystery novel fan who loves dragging out uncomfortable truths from people. There's quotes like Bern/Lambda calling analyzing a story 'tearing out its guts' (that part was pretty cool though). Episode 8 in particular is almost all bullshit magic battles, ending with Ange's character arc boiling down to 'let the truth lie because if you don't you'll go crazy and murder a boat captain'.

I don't like that change at all. Doesn't help that the actual mystery ended up being poor too (Shkanon, really?). In Chiru, only Episode 7 actually seemed to actually want to clue the player in on what was going on, and it's no coincidence that it's by far the best episode in the last half of Umineko.
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Nier has a good amount of sidequests that aren't fetchy, like the love parade and dojo fights

Honestly I've always been mystified about what makes a sidequest good to people. Almost all sidequests are the same unless they throw in some random gimmick. You go to a place and either fight the thing or collect the thing. The only game I've played that has legitimately great sidequests is Skies of Arcadia, and that's simply because exploring that world is a joy - and those are still marred by the encounter rate.
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Oh, and a lot of them would also point to religion as a reason why they oppose abortion, despite the fact that they ignore 99% of the Bible except the out-of-context passages they like the most.

I'm not even entirely sure where I stand on abortion, but I'll state with certainty that the biggest argument for abortion I've seen is simply watching the people who oppose abortion.
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Pokewars posted...

have to support all these other government programs to ensure they live a grand life.

Actually, that's close to being exactly what the government is supposed to do. It's precisely what people should be expecting of the government. Not handouts, no, but ensuring the best quality of life - absolutely.

And it's pretty much the opposite of what's happening right now. As of recently, the government has:

-Planned new taxes that are beneficial to the rich (who don't need help) and harmful to the poor (who f***ing do)
-Defunded education budgets for already strapped-for-cash public schools
-Targeted pollution and environmental regulations that prevented companies from doing stuff like dumping waste into nearby water sources
-Tried to implement a health system that would obliterate medical care for a lot of people and lead to literal deaths
-Repeatedly attempted to enact legislation that f***s over LGBT people
-Deported as many people as possible, even people who have lived here for decades
-Took bribes from companies to pass legislation that made it legal to sell your internet search history
-Stated their desired to get rid of Net Neutrality (this is a very big deal)

This is off the top of my head. Others in this topic are free to add more. The fact that the majority of the people in government who pushed all this garbage through would immediately turn around and ban abortion for the 'sanctity of human life' is total hypocritical bullcrap.

Like, what is our government right now? What is it actually doing to help people?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

"Live begins at conception and we must defend fetuses at all costs and with the full power of government but once you're out of the womb you better pray nothing bad happens to you or you're on your own, f***face." - Republicans

This is why I generally find it hard to take the abortion stance seriously. The scope of empathy seems really really limited!
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Shoutout to Devil May Cry 2 for potentially being the worst major sequel in an up-and-coming series ever. It's amazing that the series survived after that - it basically took Devil May Cry 3 being the best character action game of all time (to this day!) to salvage that.

Good thing Capcom learned their lesson and never messed up that series ever again!
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It's not so much trolling as it is the director being a massive Tactics Ogre fanboy who is shoving Let Us Cling Together into FF14 as much as humanly possible. Even hired Matsuno to write some plot in the next expansion!
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Cool thing - Square-Enix made a quick video of their latest FF14 raid, re-imagined in the style of Tactics Ogre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZJxYLoun7g&feature=youtu.be
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On_The_Pence posted...

Regaro posted...

No need to try to tolerate hypocrisy bro.

Being a religious conservative makes you a de facto hypocrite?

Yes
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Feel free to take Cubes result (and his opponents results) with a grain of salt if you want to. It's a cube. Didn't pay much attention to him so I might adjust later.

Rikku has always been strong. She did better on Kirby than Vivi did last year, actually.

Zero got that number because he did extremely well in matches without Mega Man in them. Simple as that.
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Yearbook Vincent wasn't even much weaker than normal Vincent. Vincent just sucked period that contest.
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The Mana Sword posted...

ya go my crono

Crono ended up doing pretty alright for himself, considering how strong Pikachu performed. And at the very least, he has a solid excuse of massive LFF. Cloud has no such luck !
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greengravy294 posted...

i feel as if people that horde, unless your name is Lopen, typically are unsatisfied with their mass pull

I did a mass pull earlier (140 orbs) and got tons of stuff I wanted, including the exact character I was gunning for! (Tharja)
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As someone who had 60% castle at one point, 100% makes a huge different. Everyone should make maxing out your castle a huge priority.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Now that I think about it, I always meant to try to do adjusted stats for the Games Contest but never did since we got a crapton of bonus data from the bonus matches and from Allen himself. Of course, I'd expect some contradiction between the data, but it'd be fun to work it out.

I made one of those soon after the contest ended - I'll put it up here if you want to take a look.

https://pastebin.com/63ycDBKR
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Altair performed better in 2010 too. It's just their hierarchy for whatever reason.
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Silent Hill 2 deserves a mention. That game is pretty much the template for a great survival horror game and almost every successful game in the genre these days uses it.
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The Mana Sword posted...

ya go my crono

He ended up looking alright!
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Hey man, if Snake is that strong I'm totally okay with that !
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Also, just did a quick check and Crono did a lot better in the Revenge Match than he's projected to do in my stats. X was there too though and Mario probably overlaps with him.

Who knows though. Mario's number is arbitrary - I just plugged in his 2010 number because those stats were pretty consistent and we only saw one 'real' match with him, where he obliterated Duke Nukem and looked great before Vivi did his thing. He could be a little weaker but I'm not going to make guesses.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Also, Snake should be 46.52% there. That's what he got against Link in the bonus match, and that's the most reliable data we have from that contest since it's 1-on-1.

I don't quite trust that result as Snake had just got done trying to FInish the Fight against Draven. He was riding high on GameFAQs support. I used some other results to try and calculate stuff and he more or less ended up where he was, meaning he potentially overperformed by 1%.

Even if I'm wrong though, doesn't change much. He's still #2 either way.
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Also, some more fun facts:

-L-Block acted like an actual character and was super consistent across his matches.
-The worst match a Pokemon had was Squirtle vs. Ramza, which made Squirtle look like crap. Then he went on to do...things.
-Conversely, Charizard's result against Riku made him look amazing, followed by him s***ting the bed afterwards.
-The FF7 boys fell, but the FF7 girls stayed the same - or better! TJF at work.
-The FF9 crew got stronger. Squall avoided FF7's fate and stayed exactly the same. No seriously, exactly the same, within like .3% of his previous value.
-Kefka, GlaDOS, and Red boosted the most from the previous contest.
-Dante was doomed from the start - Squirtle's 'true' strength was way out of his league. When looking at his results against Laharl and Zidane, it doesn't look like he dropped much if at all.
-The Boss seems to get stronger every contest.
-The five strongest newcomers were Squirtle, Magikarp, Epona, Pokemon Trainer Blue, and Dragonborn.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Oh hey, nice work. I haven't bothered with adjusted stats the last couple of contests because rallies pollute the pool to the point that they don't really matter anymore, but figuring out a basis for adjustments and trying to be consistent across the board is a fun challenge. I assume you used the Mario/Crono/Mega Man X match to help make a few adjustments, too.

Tifa "overperforms" relative to the rest of FFVII these days and hasn't dropped off the way they have for two very good reasons.

Thanks! And I actually forgot about that match entirely, I used other methods. I'll cross-reference it with the current stats tomorrow and see what happens.
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Zylothewolf posted...

Tifa would not beat Cloud or Sephy.

Yeah, probably. The point of stats like these is not to make judgements on potential matches though - it's to report the results in a method that's as unbiased as possible. And Tifa did WAY better than those two. Somehow.

Also:
@Ngamer64
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Mr. Game and Watch -- 16.39474144
Nightmare -- 16.16134141
N -- 15.84787
Lee Everett -- 15.83732023
Lu Bu -- 15.56455666
Creeper -- 15.248116
Oliver -- 15.171832
Clementine -- 15.10857138
Sly Cooper -- 15.10403668
Geno -- 15.00041497
Ragna the Bloodedge -- 14.85216
Reimu Hakurei -- 14.84992392
Steve -- 14.7623972
Corvo Attano -- 14.6812
Face McShooty -- 14.53381178
Vaas Montenegro -- 14.37630143
Tommy Vercetti -- 14.28722208
Kain -- 14.21504
Tingle -- 14.14
Travis Touchdown -- 14.10611153
Demi-Fiend -- 13.97298
Guybrush Threepwood -- 13.9531
Chie Satonaka -- 13.931214
Archer -- 13.874112
Recette Lemongrass -- 13.78149391
Isaac Clarke -- 13.64612
Dan Hibiki -- 13.380336
Marisa Kirisame -- 13.322304
Vyse -- 13.24003676
Mike Haggar -- 13.18791956
Groose -- 13.16918073
Max Payne -- 13.15578
Wander -- 13.14981
Jade Curtiss -- 12.753
The King of All Cosmos -- 12.56827
Kat -- 12.39899461
Cirno -- 12.24502831
Raz -- 12.149208
JC Denton -- 12.08578
Meat Boy -- 12.0665297
Teemo -- 11.927616
Fawful -- 11.758272
Hades -- 11.41334732
Dunban -- 11.341004
Jade -- 11.13318
Commander Keen -- 10.63
Draven -- 10.607184
Frank West -- 10.39339598
Red Bird -- 10.19803973
Captain Viridian -- 10.158144
Sackboy -- 10.103184
Nier -- 10.004904
Armstrong -- 9.966944
Zero (999) -- 9.939098
Alan Wake -- 9.196258
Kaim Argonar -- 9.118467831
Adol Christin -- 8.92971919
Peacock -- 8.895024
Reyn -- 8.250190338
Sissel -- 8.228
Commander Video -- 7.82979
Francis -- 7.798481995
Yuri Hyuga -- 7.554699072
Welkin Gunther -- 6.480880029
Caim -- 5.236032307
Spring Breeze Dancin' -- 5.096694946
Chester -- 2.688712


That's all, folks!
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Dracula -- 25.566564
Altair -- 25.560276
Lara Croft -- 25.522632
Raiden -- 25.39
Donkey Kong -- 25.25
Lenneth Valkyrie -- 25.17488512
Ridley -- 25.08761493
Gilgamesh -- 25.02323774
Morrigan Aensland -- 24.921762
Ezio Auditore da Firenze -- 24.829344
Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik -- 24.371046
Master Chief -- 23.976
Knuckles the Echidna -- 23.80178
Tom Nook -- 23.75515384
Chun-Li -- 23.68890659
Shadow the Hedgehog -- 23.68028
Rydia -- 23.670972
Marth -- 23.618398
Lloyd -- 23.6134548
Roxas -- 23.57
Urdnot Wrex -- 23.5348
Cecil Harvey -- 23.5348
Big Daddy -- 23.491026
Magus -- 23.4
Nathan Drake -- 23.2771952
Lugia -- 23.251288
Jill Valentine -- 23.17736302
Mordin Solus -- 22.987778
KOS-MOS -- 22.979552
Pyramid Head -- 22.80701635
Albert Wesker -- 22.722492
Pac-Man -- 22.41128354
Ramza Beoulve -- 22.404102
Waluigi -- 22.378746
Midna -- 22.308216
Chrom -- 22.30167156
Isaac (Golden Sun) -- 22.2
Falco Lombardi -- 22.11
Lightning -- 22.0382
Elizabeth -- 22.022496
Spyro the Dragon -- 21.883794
Crash Bandicoot -- 21.87936
Ratchet -- 21.68533816
Bayonetta -- 21.55
Palutena -- 21.493536
Captain Olimar -- 21.48064
Locke Cole -- 21.404174
Kratos -- 21.07906685
Professor Layton -- 20.88559421
Booker Dewitt -- 20.77429197
Wario -- 20.774
Rayman -- 20.69769
Solaire of Astora -- 20.584756
Pit -- 20.53175952
Celes Chere -- 20.38860475
Wheatley -- 20.2690391
Duke -- 20.25888
Miles "Tails" Prower -- 20.19618841
Adam Jensen -- 20.172528
Catherine -- 20.03945
John Marston -- 20.022912
Jigglypuff -- 19.93434
Hero (DQV) -- 19.92887078
Yuri Lowell -- 19.8906662
Heavy -- 19.78355877
Hal "Otacon" Emmerich -- 19.65132
Claire Redfield -- 19.62144
Poison -- 19.55157195
Neku Sakuraba -- 19.53044797
Prinny -- 19.410476
Lyndis -- 19.36914278
Simon Belmont -- 19.17378169
Wolf McDonald -- 19.11
Lucina -- 19.00618368
Sandbag -- 18.92566
Tharja -- 18.89664
Juliet Starling -- 18.87396403
Laharl -- 18.841996
Yu Narukami -- 18.74530965
Cole MacGrath -- 18.6948
Rinoa Heartilly -- 18.5990921
Jak -- 18.57
Fei Fong Wong -- 18.449364
Balthier Bunansa -- 18.408258
Slime -- 18.4069222
Miles Edeworth -- 18.39226036
Missile -- 18.372168
Kratos Aurion -- 18.285774
Peach -- 18.26688
Boko -- 18.26478
Aya Brea -- 17.96276578
Yoshimitsu -- 17.95634133
Viewtiful Joe -- 17.92680497
Little Mac -- 17.840616
Isaac (BoI) -- 17.45
Shulk -- 17.36053946
Seifer Almasy -- 17.34197691
Niko Bellic -- 17.294354
Sarah Kerrigan -- 17.242056
Handsome Jack -- 17.1904498
Banjo -- 16.823268
Bomberman -- 16.81443176
Thrall -- 16.76352396
Tiny Tina -- 16.62526387
CATS -- 16.457408
Agent 47 -- 16.3985194
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We haven't had a good ole' fashioned LOL X-STATS topic in a while. Let's fix that! This is way overdue and I doubt many people will care by this point, but no one ever made this, sooo...

Methodlogy used:
1. Leon's 2010 x-stats were used as a basis for a lot of stuff. I found them to be really consistent and useful.

2. The aim of these stats was to calculate 'true' character strength - a.k.a. with rally power removed. These standings won't matter quite as much as they did in the past, obviously, but it was a fun project for me to do.

3. Consistent showings were prized over one-and-done ridiculous matches. Mewtwo may have slaughtered Sephiroth and Sonic but he also failed to get 60% on Phoenix Wright and has never had results anywhere close to that strong in the past. I took into account the circumstances of matches heavily when deciding which showings were 'legit'. I probably got a few things wrong, but overall I think my choices were solid.

4. With that said, Vivi is probably overrated in these stats due to the circumstances of his match, but I don't feel comfortable adjusting him down further. His result against Mario is amazing even when taking a rally into account (he was holding off Mario at the start even before things really kicked in) and he beat Squall easily next round. I gave Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes and had to adjust Vivi even further down to account for extra rally votes - and he still ended up where he is. So while he still might be overrated, he's more or less earned his spot.

5. Pokemon were inconsistent and strange. No surprise there! The exception was Pikachu, who performed more or less as he should have each round based on differing results.

6. Yes, Cloud/Sephiroth/Vincent really did do that badly. I completely wrote off the upsets against them and their prior results still sucked hardcore. And yes, Tifa did do that well. I don't get it either.

7. Finally - Draven was adjusted using his result against Jak before the rally kicked in. That simple!

So without further ado:


Link -- 50
Solid Snake -- 45.52
Mario -- 45.12
Samus -- 43.85
Mega Man -- 40.04382
Sonic the Hedgehog -- 39.54
Tifa Lockheart -- 39.27206
Crono -- 39.24
Pikachu -- 38.259
Sephiroth -- 37.23
Cloud -- 36.86
Vivi -- 36.36
Mega Man X -- 36.35
Squall Leonhart -- 36.35
Auron -- 35.04
L-Block -- 35.04
Yoshi -- 35.02
Luigi -- 35.01
Zero (Mega Man X) -- 34.99
Squirtle -- 34.93
Bowser -- 34.41
Kirby -- 34.08
Pokemon Trainer Red -- 34
Big Boss -- 33.24
Zelda -- 32.76
Charizard -- 32.76
Mewtwo -- 32.63
GlaDOS -- 32.4
Ganondorf -- 32.15
Sora -- 32.1222564
Dante -- 31.54
Kefka -- 31.37
Ryu -- 31.10833
Commander Shepard -- 30.4
Terra Branford -- 30.017664
Aerith Gainsborough -- 29.68256
Leon Kennedy -- 29.38
Fox McCloud -- 29.36
Magikarp -- 29.35212006
Zack Fair -- 29.042346
Rikku -- 28.943728
Epona -- 28.93
Pokemon Trainer Blue -- 28.7728
Dragonborn -- 28.7314391
Sub-Zero -- 28.66353
Vincent Valentine -- 28.61
Weighted Companion Cube -- 28.607824
The Boss -- 28.229964
Amaterasu -- 28.09855
Zidane Tribal -- 27.490264
Scorpion -- 27.48380258
? Block -- 27.46180913
Alucard -- 27.34
Revolver Ocelot -- 27.282144
Captain Falcon -- 27.197832
Barret Wallace -- 27.187704
Gordon Freeman -- 26.741676
Ike -- 26.67
Riku -- 26.56
Ness -- 26.51
Frog -- 26.487596
Proto Man -- 26.461974
Missingno -- 26.46
Tidus -- 26.43354
Meta Knight -- 26.36
Phoenix Wright -- 26.312832
Claptrap -- 26.06744923
Yuna -- 25.92
Garrus Vakarian -- 25.80290971
Ryu Hayabusa -- 25.66066
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Actually nevermind, Roxas is 2nd behind Xion in that department.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

It's also strongly at odds with the series' tone as a whole.

I mean not TOTALLY with *BBS spoilers* what happens to Terra, Aqua, and Ven


And hell even *Days spoilers* Xion and to a degree Roxas there again!

Stuff got darker later, yeah, but KH2 was before that so the tone whiplash was profound, and even then no character gets thoroughly boned as much as Roxas does throughout the series.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Roxas bring thrust out into a world that doesn't want or understand him would have been sooo good. Imagine Roxas confronting the Order, Sora, Riku, the Disney dudes. Roxas coming to terms with his existence and struggling to survive. Roxas vs Sephiroooooth

Instead he just bips out of existence as Sora literally dances. Huge huge amount of wasted potential.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.