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TopicTurns out, CNN outed the WRONG GUY *link*
COVxy
07/05/17 3:14:01 PM
#94
Steve Nick posted...
Virus731 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
The implication is that they're going to try to damage his reputation, or possibly unleash some sort of liberal mob on him if he doesn't comply.


so you're saying that people should be allowed to say whatever they want online with 0 chance of repercussion, otherwise it's oppression? yeh ok



There should be no 'repercussion' for someone voicing an opinion they're legally entitled to have.

It's the foundation of this country - That you can say whatever you want to say, and other people don't have to agree, but they shouldn't try to oppress you for your opinion.


You are suppressing other people's freedom if you aren't allowing them to express their condemnation of your awful opinions.

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TopicTurns out, CNN outed the WRONG GUY *link*
COVxy
07/05/17 2:40:35 PM
#61
Mal_Fet posted...
COVxy posted...
He apologized before CNN ever got in contact with him.

Yeah sure.

He gloated about making the gif and then, with no provocation at all, saw the err of his ways and apologized shortly before deleting his account through no prompting at all by CNN tracking him down and making him nervous about his personal info getting released.

Seems legit.


Seems like you just wont accept any evidence that contradicts your narrative.
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TopicTurns out, CNN outed the WRONG GUY *link*
COVxy
07/05/17 2:37:32 PM
#56
Mal_Fet posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Why did the redditor apologize then?

Probably because Kaczynski would have released his private info if he didn't.


He apologized before CNN ever got in contact with him.

Time must work in a funny way in your mind.
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TopicLeave it to America to meme "Brexit 1776" using 'Brexit' wrong
COVxy
07/05/17 12:30:29 PM
#14
"Yeah but I hear the EU tell all her friends that she was the one who broke it off."
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TopicCNN top headlines are on NK now
COVxy
07/05/17 10:43:18 AM
#3
This whole thing happened like days ago as far as I understand it, CE just happens to be slow on the uptake.
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TopicNorth Korea supposedly launched an ICBM, the Hwasong-14 to 2800km apogee on Jul4
COVxy
07/05/17 10:27:23 AM
#15
So you're thinking it's all hot air?

Interesting though. I mean, of course they are one for propaganda, but it's always seemed to me that despite massive failures, their rocket tests have always been in full view.
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TopicNorth Korea supposedly launched an ICBM, the Hwasong-14 to 2800km apogee on Jul4
COVxy
07/05/17 10:10:27 AM
#3
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Trump won't do anything. He's a coward.


Wtf is this?

There's enough topics on this board to shitpost about Trump in. This kinda isn't one of them.
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TopicBlackmail
COVxy
07/05/17 10:02:51 AM
#16
Siaperaz posted...
Are liberals seriously defending this?


I mean, for the most part it's not about defending but combating the waves of hyperbole and melodrama coming from the alt-right. If you've noticed, they've turned the poster into a kid to make him more sympathetic.
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TopicEver had a hookup that escalated the dirty talk to a quite creepy or awkward lvl
COVxy
07/05/17 9:59:26 AM
#4
I mean, given the age difference you prefer, I'm thinking I could guess...
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/05/17 9:57:37 AM
#182
Antifar posted...
To be clear, the guy is not 15, according to both the author and posts on his Reddit profile that talk about leaving Maryland in the 80s


One wonders how misrepresenting him as a kid got started...
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Topiccan someone give me the buzzfeed version of the whole CNN thing?
COVxy
07/05/17 9:48:04 AM
#23
I mean, ignoring the fact that the author has come out and stated that the line was to suggest that no deal had been made to keep his identity secret, and that the Reddit alt-right guy agreed:
https://mobile.twitter.com/KFILE/status/882429541981052928

Even if it were exactly as you interpret it, no freedoms, no rights, would have been violated. You vastly misinterpret what free speech means. It doesn't mean the ability to say whatever the fuck you want with no criticism.
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Topiccan someone give me the buzzfeed version of the whole CNN thing?
COVxy
07/05/17 9:17:32 AM
#8
Trump retweets a racist alt-righter's post, CNN says, hey look at this guy who the president retweeted, he's a piece of shit. There's a line in that article that can be misunderstood as "stop tweeting racist bullshit or we'll release your information, which you so conveniently left out in the open". This is a misunderstanding, though alt-right will milk all the victimhood they can out of it, claiming violations to free speech, which wouldn't even make sense even if it weren't a misunderstanding.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/05/17 12:07:00 AM
#136
DarkDragon400 posted...
While it might be the case that women who don't want nudes leaked shouldn't take them, that doesn't make the person who leaked the photos any less human-shit. Similarly, just because the person shouldn't have said assholish things doesn't absolve the doxxer of responsibility.


Seems to me the situations aren't actually comparable. It's more like you post nudes on a public website and someone finds them and links them to your name.

In that case, I don't feel bad about it at all. However, in most cases nudes are either leaked by hackers or prior loved ones severely destroying a trust.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/04/17 11:50:56 PM
#126
DarkDragon400 posted...
I think there's a difference between criticizing what someone says and harassing, threatening, and trying to get that person and their family members fired..


I mean, at worst all they did was try to connect his name to his words...

You are literally complaining about someone needing to be responsible for their own words.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/04/17 11:27:24 PM
#93
He didn't have to apologize, he could have faced what he said.

If what he said is shameful to him, should he be afraid to be shamed after saying it?

In reality, he was spouting bullshit because he thought the internet would insulate him from responsibility.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/04/17 11:19:18 PM
#80
FaultyGourry posted...
COVxy posted...
"Black people are inferior! What a funny joke guys, hurr hurr hurr".

Like, do you honestly think these memes are innocent and benign, simply because they follow a standard joke format? How naive can you be? Or maybe purposefully naive.

I don't give two shits if he was being completely serious in whatever bigoted bullshit he spewed. Freedom of speech means that's his right to do so. And it's other peoples rights to call him on his bullshit. It is not a corporations right to coerce an apology through intimidation and threats. That shit's tactics one expects from the mafia and completely unexceptionable coming from an organization that's supposed to be about dependable and trustworthy journalism.


You have freedom to say whatever the fuck you want. And other people are free to call you a moron. Free speech doesn't mean uncriticized speech.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/04/17 11:15:54 PM
#74
Monday posted...
COVxy posted...
"Black people are inferior! What a funny joke guys, hurr hurr hurr".

Like, do you honestly think these memes are innocent and benign, simply because they follow a standard joke format? How naive can you be? Or maybe purposefully naive.


If this is what you think of whenever someone mentions sexist or racist jokes, I understand why you have such a stupid fucking opinion of the concept of comedy.


I love me some racy and dark comedy. I happen to think that one of the key facets of comedy is violating social norms, it's that unexpected aspect that creates surprise.

This is something different. This isn't a Louie CK skit. These are memes that perpetuate ideas of inherent black criminality and shit like that.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/04/17 11:07:44 PM
#61
"Black people are inferior! What a funny joke guys, hurr hurr hurr".

Like, do you honestly think these memes are innocent and benign, simply because they follow a standard joke format? How naive can you be? Or maybe purposefully naive.
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TopicCNN apparently tracked down the person who made the Trump/CNN gif
COVxy
07/04/17 10:57:30 PM
#44
Sorry, I'm not going to feel bad for someone who at best is an avid troll deliberately riling up a dangerous population, or at worst is part of that dangerous population, because he's been forced to actually face his own actions.
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TopicFunding leads the rate of scientists doing basic science to drop to 1%
COVxy
07/04/17 10:52:09 PM
#26
I find it hard to conceptually link university spending and culture with the shift in funding from basic to applied sciences, tbh.
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TopicI wonder why we can't just make caffeine illegal
COVxy
07/04/17 1:13:22 PM
#8
Coffee is beneficial for cardiovascular health.
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TopicFlorida Couple who won the 328 MILLION POWERBALL still live like POOR PEASANTS!!
COVxy
07/03/17 9:55:40 PM
#16
"Living like poor"

This is why the middle and upper middle class feel so entitled.
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TopicMy doctor billed my insurance $826 for a routine visit
COVxy
07/03/17 7:49:57 PM
#20
Lmao, this topic...
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TopicBannon wants to tax the rich
COVxy
07/03/17 4:30:26 PM
#24
QuantumScript posted...
it's more a jab at how the left has rallied behind comy and other similar cases lmao


That's not what happened though. People didn't give a shit that he was fired, really. People cared that the circumstances surrounding his firing were suspicious.
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TopicChris Christie shows off his thigh gap at the beach during govt shutdown
COVxy
07/03/17 2:01:40 PM
#45
"He had a baseball hat on," is exactly what I would have predicted someone from the current administration to respond with. So perfect. These PR people must have zero self respect.
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TopicBannon wants to tax the rich
COVxy
07/03/17 11:18:27 AM
#12
QuantumScript posted...
suddenly leftists everywhere begin to love bannon


I mean, not that this is accurate, but is it really "inconsistent" for someone to like a political figure more when their policies are more inline with their own?

Sounds like you just want to dig into "libruls" rather than any particular intelligent political commentary.
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TopicWhen ice melts in a glass of water, does the water level go up?
COVxy
07/03/17 10:03:59 AM
#36
Only the top layer of ice will be free floating ;)
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TopicPost your salary ITT
COVxy
07/02/17 8:18:12 PM
#5
REMercsChamp posted...
$560,000 a year plus bonus and stock options - graduated 3 months ago from a general arts program


So desperate for attention today.
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TopicFLCL Season 2 Trailer
COVxy
07/02/17 7:43:40 PM
#5
I don't see any reason to mess with the masterpiece that is FLCL.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 7:19:03 PM
#118
Just to be clear here, it wasn't an assumption, it was because of the deliberate framing of the article in the OP.

On that point, I admit I was wrong, but not due to any bias of mine, I'm completely happy admitting that I was wrong about this.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 7:00:13 PM
#117
That doesn't sound what was referred to in the link in the OP of this topic. If that is what it was, then the original article vastly misrepresented what they were reporting on.

Where did you pull that from?

EDIT: Actually, looking at the actual study, both the OP and the original article vastly misrepresented the study at hand, it looks like the contents of the resumes were standardized. In that case, yes, you are right. The only meaningful effect here is the effect of the label.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 6:30:07 PM
#114
Xeno14 posted...
lets start with post 24. No this is incorrect, with a background inn cognitive biases you should be aware of the existence of group biases, particularly in women and how they might change result. But because you've shown you lack any background knowledge or are looking for to support a preformed conclusions, you can only imagine one way.


This is not coherent.

The idea being is that if the identity is stripped of the resumes, then identity cannot be driving the effect, and what must be driving the effect is the relative "quality" of the resumes, meaning how well a particular resume was geared toward the job. I don't really know what you mean by group biases and how 'they might change the result'.

Xeno14 posted...
Maybe things are taught that way to build up a base because experimentation to explore these things require more expensive equipment that isn't feasible to have at the level of school children, let alone allow them to work.
why do you think schools start with the bohr model of the atom instead of the electron cloud?


I mean, building up of knowledge is key, yes. But that doesn't mean that you have to just teach facts devoid of their epistemology. The fact that low level science education is like this is the reason we have a bunch of laypeople who talk about science as if it is an infallible religion. Science by nature is uncertain and the conclusions are only temporary.

You don't need equipment to teach about an experiment, and you don't need it to be overly complex to demonstrate how the conclusions were drawn. There's a better way than having students rote memorize factoids.

The biggest issue with all this is that those who become teachers, especially elementary school teachers, are likely those who didn't like science that much, took the minimum and understood it minimally. Our teachers aren't really equipt to enact this kind of teaching.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 2:11:24 PM
#108
Callixtus posted...
COVxy has a conclusion, in search of evidence and not the opposite. It doesn't matter what data you have that might cast some doubt on his conclusion. He's sticking to it.


My stance is pretty light on claims here. Who knows what you're actually referring to.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 1:29:27 PM
#105
You seem to be intentially missing the point.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 1:23:09 PM
#103
I'm picking out examples from biology simply because it's the superordinate category my field of study.

I'm sure that there are hundreds of studies dedicated to examining the qualities of the cell membrane, using different inferential techniques. It's not as simple as 'observing it'.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 1:13:56 PM
#101
How do we know that the cell membrane is a phospholipid bilayer?

I mean, the entire point is most of the science classes, with the exception of a couple of "famous" experiments, teach conclusions, not science.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 1:11:04 PM
#99
I see you selectively ignored parts of my post.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 1:04:26 PM
#96
Mal_Fet posted...
No high school student is taught a one-sentence explanation of the mitochondria.


Pretty much no high school student is taught about the actual experiments that lead to any of the conclusions in the sciences. You do contrived 'labs' that involve following a lab book set of instructions and talk about a couple of famous experiments, at best.

And the issue stems back long before high school.

My first exposure to an actual biology paper was in college. My first real understanding of how scientific experiments incrementally add to the knowledge and how it drives theory was in college. And mostly through joining actual scientific labs, though the classes were much better in this respect also.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 12:54:11 PM
#94
Mal_Fet posted...

Because a couple popular textbooks have used that sentence?

I know way more about mitochondria than how it's just "the powerhouse of the cell" . Because there's way more information about the mitochondria in every biology textbook than just that.

Because science is NOT just taught as a series of factoids.


Really? So you know exactly which experiments lead to the conclusion "the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell"?

Scientific knowledge is inferred through experimentation, the conclusions are temporary and flexible. The experimentation is 'science'. Teaching a series of conclusions is not teaching science properly, and is almost entirely the way I was taught science growing up, up until my senior year in high school when I had a really great physics teacher.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 12:40:58 PM
#92
Xeno14 posted...
No you didn't dude.

COVxy posted...
Let's take science for example.


If you want to look at the entire conversation and actually look at the context of that post, it's clear I'm just talking about one of many ways that society can constrain free choice.

I've always held a pretty consistent position that there are biological differences between the sexes that have the potential to create differences in career preferences, but that it's also important to realize how important socialization is as well. But you have a propensity to strawman the hell out of my positions.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 12:38:12 PM
#91
Why do you know that exact sentence?

Why does every student in the US know that exact sentence?
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 12:34:31 PM
#87
Mal_Fet posted...
He says, in a topic where I am the only one posting any evidence.


I mean, I could certainly scrounge around and find plenty of literature denoting potential systematic biases in our society. But again, as I've noted, there are several reasons why this is a waste of time here.

Mal_Fet posted...
I read this same bullshit in a Marxist gender studies textbook and it was exactly as vague as how you are putting it here.

What precisely do you mean by "systematizing factoids"? Surely you don't mean we should stop teaching facts to students


"The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell"

Mal_Fet posted...
"Better" in your sense seems to mean rewiring the priorities of society to create equity between the genders, regardless of how prosperous that society would be.


No, better in my sense means better. I have no interest in ensuring a 50/50 split within any field.
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 12:23:12 PM
#83
Mal_Fet posted...
COVxy posted...
I think that there are intrinsic biological differences that can drive choice and preference. But I also think that it would be silly to not at least examine potential sources of societal infrastructure that may perpetuate the inequalities of the past.

I've said many, many times in this topic that I am ok with this.

But then when I ask for specific examples, you guys get mad.


No, the issue is that we can go back and forth about the evidence all day long. The correlational nature of the data means that it can be interpreted in a million different ways. That's the primary issue with work in sociology, it's impossible to build causal claims from simple correlations.
(Not to mention, the way you debate points is so black and white it's not even really worth it)

However, I'm all for making systems better, and at the same time modifying the current systems so that if they were to be biased, that would be less biased.

Science, for example, should not be taught in the systematizing factoids way. That's just shitty teaching, and should be changed on those grounds alone, but it's also something that has the chance to bias preferences at an early age. So, it helps on both fronts.

You seem to be opposed to any efforts to change systems for the better, and reduce any potential bias, putting up your hands and saying 'well, we know there are biological differences, so this could all just be biological in nature".
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TopicGender-blind hiring process leads to more MEN getting hired *link*
COVxy
07/02/17 12:13:47 PM
#81
I'm not asserting that gender equity is even a natural thing. I don't think that there needs to be a 50/50 split in a completely unbiased society, you are just projecting that position onto me because it fits with your schema of people who have said similar things to what I have said.

I think that there are intrinsic biological differences that can drive choice and preference. But I also think that it would be silly to not at least examine potential sources of societal infrastructure that may perpetuate the inequalities of the past.

Your plain assertion that it's entirely biological is one of a political nature, not an evidence based position.
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