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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Pretty good. This guy is a much better Victarion than Euron.

the writers are much better with the victarion side than the euron side - but i liked the talk he talked with cersei

preview: he looks like a FUCKING ROCK STAR coming back to king's landing too, omg
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

this season is fucking incredible so far

though we did get a combined ten minutes of unsullied sex and pus closeups lmao
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

only show here i care about in the last few posts is melissa and joey

and yeah, it probably belongs here. the show has virtually no attraction beyond the will-they-won't-they. and seeing a grown-up MJH, in fairness, which is the reason i watched it.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

we didn't get insight into mord's POV even though he's a moron and vale inhabitant. we didn't get insight into clansmen POVs even though they helped tyrion and the lannisters tremendously. we didn't get any POVs from the cassells, or the karstarks, or the umbers, even though they surround the critically important starks. we never find out how adam marbrand and amory lorch feel about being general shitheads and raping the riverlands. somehow we survived, and we got a good idea of what was important about them, and what was important to them.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Kyrie listed the Spurs as a destination. He wouldn't do that if he didn't want to play real basketball.

Right?
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i did enjoy like the 2-3 episodes of reba i ever saw. reba herself was quite likable. the everything else was kinda trash, but you respect the familial feeling of familiarity.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

ugh
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

EndOfDiscOne posted...

KommunistKoala posted...

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Drakeryn posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

MZero11 posted...

thanks for that, Luster

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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Dancedreamer posted...

The best part of the show? The Theme Song.

aw yeah
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

obligatory "cartoon is not a genre"
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

CassandraCain posted...

My bad I'll change

Excellent, I appreciate the self-awareness.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

thanks. the travel is gonna be crazy for about two weeks here.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

in defense of the show:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/6opoh5/spoilers_extended_on_this_day_ten_years_ago_grrms
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

thankfully i'm pretty sure i have no reason to check out any of those!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

wait has better call saul been listed
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

frazier is whqt everyone would expect so i have no idea what it could be

only spinoff i watched and liked iirc was the buffy one

maybe it's joey
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

also: smh when book fans start calling stannis's fight against ramsay. the roose is still loose in the books!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

AFFC/ADWD aren't just worse because of travelogues and lack of plot progression. They're also worse because the characters in comparison suck.

Most of the Dornish/Ironborn characters blow. Just because the books' Sand Snakes aren't poorly acted with awful fight choreographt doesn't mean they're well written. The Soiled Knight chapter sucks. Areo Hotah literally has as much character in the books, and using him as a narrative device to avoid tipping Doran's hand is fucking awful writing. We also miss out on his own badass moment by viewing it through Arianne's eyes. The only character worth a damn there is Arianne (and Ellaria, in fairness). That's not even getting into Quentyn, whose 100 ADWD pages basically made the amazing AFFC cliffhanger into a fucking embarrassment. Seventeen years of Dornish vengeance, and "Oh."

Aeron is 100 pages of insight into the Ironborn mindset that we could've gotten in five via Asha. Victarion is amusingly stupid, but redundant and obviously not a character whose development will clearly not matter. Now, the Kingsmoot is incredible (best sequence in AFFC?), and the action sequences are great, and Euron is a pretty great villain, and I really like Asha's cunning (which the show appears to be converting to cunninglingus), so I'm more forgiving here. But essentially, we're wasting pages on POVs that don't advsnce truly important characters.

Also - I love both the books and the show! I've had almost nothing but good words for S7 so far.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i literally knew nothing about LP before people made fun of them, but then, i guess most people born after 2003 didn't, either
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

book-tyrion has worse stuff in general and more of it, yes... but it also has perhaps a moment better than any in show-tyrion's arc: all the young griff stuff
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

oh, two things the show nailed: tywin and oberyn
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

like littlefinger, tyrion's final scenes in S4 were so bad they almost made the books bad for me, too

however, post-king's landing tyrion is bad both in the books and in the show.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

It's almost a joke to compare their quality now, but Dexter's best contemporary comparison is Breaking Bad, another high-concept show featuring its Troubled White Male Lead (TM).

Dexter spoilers

Dexter fired its best bullets early - S1 with Dexter's past, S2 with Dexter himself. But by the end of S3, it becomes clear that we're dealing with a show that's terrified of changing the status quo, and whose protagonist might be fascinating in concept, but whose decision tree has been mostly used up.

Starting with S3, we delve very heavily into 'Villain of the Season' territory. The underlying idea of 'this protagonist is unstable as hell' is shelved to deal with considerably smaller-scale threats. Now S3 and S4 have awesome single-season villains in Miguel and Arthur, and they even threaten to move along Dexter's character, as he becomes a father and a husband, then loses his wife.

And that's why S5 and S6 are by far the worst of the show (at the time). They essentially tell us that Status Quo Is God. Rita's death is briefly addressed, but the writing around the fallout is weak, and we instead center around Another Guest Star And Villain and continue to prolong anyone's discovery of Dexter's identity. The side characters' plots - never a strong point - get worse and worse.

S7 finally has a real change with Debra finding out. She's easily the best non-Dexter good guy, so we finally deal with a different type of struggle in S7. Sadly the show massively fails at utilizing Yvonne Strahovski, but at least something happens.

And yeah, good call on skipping S8. In fact, I think the recommended viewing order should be S1, S2, S3, S4, 5x01, 6x12, S7, end of season.

Can get into why Breaking Bad succeeded on every one of these fronts when we hit the Top 10 or Top 5.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

And I started BoJack Horseman.

I don't get these cartoons' (Rick and Morty as well) obsession with showing revolting stuff, particularly vomit.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

kuvira and toph really carry season 4 for me. korra is really good in S4 too.

the show never does reach the epic scope of TLA though :(
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Yeah, but he's likable because he's a conspicuous mustache-twirler who talks like a supervillain.

Littlefinger in the books is supposed to be liked and seen as non-menacing. Since I saw the show first and since Aidan Gillen really resembles the physical description of Littlefinger, I'm 100% unable to picture the books' LF the way GRRM meant!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I watched the show first, and I remembered the line being said by Jorah. Actually, I thought Jorah was the POV character in Dany's story for the first season. Don't remember when I learned otherwise.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

that line is said in season 1. <_<
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

thanks TRE

next time - activating the tower, a probable shrine, and headed for the divine beast
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

ctrl+F amazon
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

MariaTaylor posted...

anyway littlefinger just lurking there with a smile on his face watching these basic northern politics unfold is like having lebron sitting in the bleachers at a high school basketball game.

lmfao

There's definitely evidence that Jon hasn't been consulting Sansa. My issue is that the writers have actually given us a reason to sympathize with Jon not asking Sansa's opinion - he asked her point-blank what to do against Ramsay, and she decided not to mention 'I can provide 5K of heavy cavalry as backup.' It was one of the worst moments of writing last season, yet the writers played it off as a major triumph for Sansa, which bothered me.

(but yes, the fault here isn't with either character, necessarily, but in the communication failure)
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so we know of four major battles:

1. the siege of casterly rock

2. the field of fire (possibly linked to the siege?) - jaime is shown here in the trailer

3. the massive, fiery naval battle - this could take place near dorne, since that's where yara is going

4. the northmen and brotherhood of banners getting smashed by the army of the dead - this will presumably take place at east-watch

when do we see these battles taking place, and to what outcome?
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

MariaTaylor posted...

you might remember something called
The Battle of the Blackwater
an invasion of king's landing
by sea
which stannis mounted
FROM DRAGONSTONE
I guess cersei did not think it was important to secure this undefended castle
when she knew Dany was going there
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i don't know if the lannisters knew that dragonstone was abandoned. it's plausible that stannis left a garrison, and it only deserted sometime between stannis's death and cersei's ascent to the crown. does king's landing even still have a navy since the battle of the blackwater and the breakup with the tyrells?

arya/frey stuff is a logistical nightmare and just feels like pointless fanservice, yeah

baking lothar and black walder into a pie was a logistical nightmare. killing everyone with wine seems faaaar more plausible imo

arya/frey stuff is a logistical nightmare and just feels like pointless fanservice, yeah
white walkers ominously marching was fine
northern politics was a good but not great scene
I think Jon and Sansa both had flaws in their way of thinking
and it was cool to showcase a situation where neither character was fully right
but
Jon was right about Sansa undermining him in front of others
they could have just talked about the situation in private and come to a decision
and secondly
the thing about girls fighting or whatever was just written really slopily
the idea is actually great, the execution was god awful
literally all they needed to do was say something simple like
'no I don't want your grand daughter to have to fight. but when the fucking gates are smashed down would you rather have her defenseless or holding a spear and knowing how to use it'
the end

agreed with everything line by line here - just want to add that i did like that jon actually talked logistics about EWbtS and how to staff it. also: davos should know that dragonstone has obsidian under it. whoops.

Littlefinger just sitting there soaking it all in
was glorious
I love Littlefinger so much

yeah the show is definitely going to kill him
in a stupid way
I'm already prepared for it
so I won't be that butthurt
I learned my lesson with stannis
seriously though
he actually saved the north
like 100% he saved the north
and everyone there is acting like they don't want him there
"WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE"
like he saved your asses
I can't believe how ungrateful they are

lmao

arya with the soldiers was god damn brilliant
I was actually tense the entire time
because I was worrieed they were going to turn it into some awful scene of her killing all the soldiers for no reason
or even worse all of the soldiers just turn into evil rapists
and she is forced to kill them all
but actually showing there are humans and decent people on both sides
and it's not a completely black and white world

especially for Arya who just murdered EVERY SINGLE FREY
similar to Sansa undermining Jon
I felt like this followed that theme
with Arya's earlier decision being undermined
when she sees there are good people on the enemy side too
and ones that she could relate to and talk with and stuff
the hound stuff was awesome as well
especially with it being the father and daughter he stole gold from in the previous season
which presumably led to them starving to death

i agree with every one of these words
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

shit montage was fucking awesome, fuck you all for hating on it
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I think it was old biases acting up with Dolorous Edd - he's still suspicious. Bran kind of reminds him, "It doesn't matter who I am."
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i presume you're talking about theon's chapter, where stannis telling justin massey to put shireen on the iron throne, right? but he does that at zero cost to himself - the books have not put stannis in a position where he has to choose between the throne and shireen.

GANON1025 posted...

If you love books so much why don't you marry them

because we all know they wouldn't put out
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

dowolf posted...

I realize this -- and I feel like we've had this exact same conversation before -- but:
a) I can't ignore the book-Stannis that I feel like I know very well, for whom Shireen is the world.
b) D&D's decision here feels like it plays into their inability to write female characters -- Selyse becomes the stereotypical mother because stereotype is all they have.

yeah, i think we have

a) stannis isn't a POV character in the books, so we do need to see how his decisions bear out there. also, keep in mind that GRRM has heard people's reactions, so at this point TWOW might be considered canon, but it has inevitably been affected by the show. we will *never* know how it would have gone down had d/d not gotten there first. there's a big tendency to lionize book-stannis, and while he's less explicitly ambitious/evil than show-stannis, i think davos's POV biases us.

i will sympathize with your never getting the book-stannis adapted to TV exactly as he was written, though (despite that i think show-stannis is closer than you'd like to admit). to me, the character most ruined by the show is probably brienne.

b) d/d unfortunately do mostly suck with female characters (dany is flat, cersei is made oversympathetic, brienne is made crude and violent and utterly unfeminine, the waif is a jealous bitch with no depth and a strange amount of screen time, the less said about the dornishwomen the better...) but i don't think this is that instance. melisandre never feels like a stereotype there; she never flinches. no feminine stereotype there, IMO.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I think that there are just too many characters in a show like BB to do an unbiased edit. You don't know how the future is gonna go, but you can identify storylines that seem interesting.

Never heard about that for BB8, that's fucking hilarious. Did everyone in the house know Eric was 'America's player'?

Also, with BB7 apparently being so beloved, did it suffer in ratings? Because it's unclear why BB8 would introduce this twist unless the show were flagging.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

xp1337 posted...

the iron islands are just a silly place

Jaime totally had their number in the last episode, "They're not good at anything!" lmao

yesss jaime was straight spitting fire last episode.

'I'm the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms.' / 'Three kingdoms, at best!'
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dowolf posted...

also I am still butthurt over Stannis's end IT MADE NO SENSE WHY WAS HIS WIFE BREAKING DOWN OVER MURDERING THEIR DAUGHTER AND NOT HIM YEARGH

show-stannis shows zero passion, and he deliberately kills any source of passion in his daughter. the only real emotions that overcome him are anger and frustration. (there's no question that he loves shireen, but even that is shown in a super-restrained/repressed way.)

selyse is a very passionate character - she approaches the red god with fervor, she's solicitous withe melisandre, she's got them crazy eyes and was clearly extremely broken up about her capability to bear sons. it doesn't make zero sense why she's the one breaking down, and it's intended to be shocking since stannis is the one who more obviously loves his daughter and selyse is the more religious one.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

The show took giant missteps and gross shortcuts in Seasons 5 and 6. Arya, Dany, Jon, Sansa, Cersei, Jaime, and Tyrion have all suffered. They were working with bloated and often subpar source material and it had obvious, major growing pains.

But I don't think Season 7 has done anything out of line yet. It's patching up previous seasons' wounds a bit, but I don't see any point in castigating it for the past mistakes at this point.

As a positive example of something they've done this season, Euron with Cersei is far smoother and more intelligent-sounding than the Euron who talked about his big cock on the Iron Islands. It's not quite a retcon, though - the Euron who confronted Balon in private was also much more intelligently menacing. Jaime alludes to Euron's burning of the Lannisport fleet.

The obvious implication is that Euron isn't the blithering redneck idiot that we saw in 6x05. He acted that way because (as both he and Jaime acknowledge) the Ironborn are fucking morons. This is just the way to gain their respect.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I'd literally go with any of the first few over Years. (I don't remember what 2013 Characters was.) Voted Series - I'm pretty sure that's the only contest where there was literally a perfect bracket.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Just wrapped up Season 2 of iZombie. It's a show that seems better than its high concept, but tied horribly to the tropes of procedural television at so many times.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

himym is hilariously too high relative to the other comedies on this list
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

rondo doin work for danny
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

oh my god yes
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

My Immortal posted...

I'm clearly in the minority here.

I'm so stoked for a Dany x Jon marriage / ruling the Kingdoms at the end!

i don't think people hate that idea quite as much as they hate its feeling of inevitability
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

had to climb a lot of steps tho
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

the ending to 7x01 is perfect, though. it's the endings to 6x10 (setting sail) and 6x06 especially (the random drogon reappearance) that undermine it.

7x01 is built-up to - dany doesn't appear, but the entire episode focuses on her landing, brings up stannis and the island, the targ ancestral home, the dragongalss
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Nah I quite liked Sansa calling out Ned and Robb's dumb things

Sansa learned the wrong lesson. Ned's biggest mistake was going South and surrounding himself with enemies. Robb's biggest mistake was alienating his allies (specifically and relevantly, the Karstarks!). Jon is doing the opposite of both.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness