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Cheater87 posted...

Now Israel will go after Hezbollah.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/19/israel-ready-for-all-out-war-in-lebanon

The actual reasoning behind invading Lebanon would be to drag the US into a regional conflict. Basically hoping to get bailed out.

Lonestar2000 posted...

The US is an evil empire.

Wrong

This was a one-off event that the United States has learned from. We don't do this kind of stuff anymore.

That slob should put on a suit and tie

Holy shit that is fucking awful

It's disgusting to think about the things the United States used to do in 2020-2021. Luckily, that was many years ago. As a country, we've moved past such disgusting acts and we are better now.

There's definitely some people who didn't understand TC's point.

The point is that Netenyahu (who deserves to rot in the Hague for life, let's be clear) will be singularly held responsible for what is clearly a systemic crime, from Israel's government, military, and broader settler-colonial system.

Do I agree with this point? Not really, because I don't think Netenyahu is gonna take any kind of fall. Unless the US were to abandon Israel I'm not really sure how Netenyahu could be isolated to the point of answering for his crimes. And the US abandoning Israel? It's not really conceivable, certainly not in the short-to-medium term.

CommonStar posted...

Thread:
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1800826844293501110

Press release here with full report at bottom:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/israeli-authorities-palestinian-armed-groups-are-responsible-war-crimes

There's a lot to unpack here, but at a quick glance:

Although Israel issued hundreds of evacuation orders to people in north Gaza and other locations, the Commission found that they were at times insufficient, unclear and conflicting, and did not provide adequate time for safe evacuations. Furthermore, the evacuation routes and the areas designated as safe were consistently attacked by Israeli forces. All of this, the Commission determined, amounted to forcible transfer

This is consistent with other reporting I've seen, where Israel has a pattern of telling Palestinians to gather to a spot for "safe evacuation" and then attacking that very spot.

I dunno what Macron is thinking here.

The likely outcome here is the far right taking over Parliament and a gridlock until the next Presidential election in 2027

Irony posted...

My naps are like 5 hours

That's called sleeping. You're sleeping.

Any nap over an hour isn't worth it. You just wake up groggy

Depending on who the third party is, there's a good chance a "third party peacekeeping" force is viewed by Palestinians in Gaza as a de facto occupation.

conduit posted...

lol, who thinks Britain is neutral?

Yeah suggesting the UK would be a viable neutral security force is hilarious

https://x.com/shaabiranks/status/1798725476242059569

"Ex-school"

This is two good things happening so absolutely I'll take it thank you

BB_mofo posted...

I think Biden is preemptively throwing Netanyahu under the bus before Netanyahu does it to Biden by endorsing Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/donald-trump-foreign-policy-advisers-met-israeli-pm-netanyahu-source-says-2024-05-20/

Well he's got 9 days to do it, because Netanyahu's going to speak before Congress on the 13th where there's a decent chance he'll basically endorse Trump

I and like several million others could have told you this on October 8th 2023, that Netenyahu was going to use this "war" for political survival

I would think that knowingly falsifying a report that was for determining legal liability would itself be a crime. And that includes for situations with much lower stakes than getting aid to starving Palestinians in Gaza.

What I'm saying is the individuals responsible for that falsification should go to prison.

CountCorvinus posted...

That pier US built to provide humanitarian aid to the people that we're also helping Israel drop bombs on has fallen apart.

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1795514987424760193

It lasted like a week. Hell did any of the aid delivered actually wind up reaching civilians?

I knew it was a PR stunt but even I didn't expect it to go that badly

Trumble posted...

The correct way to handle claims like this from the IDF is to dismiss them as lies until actual evidence is put forward.

This. And btw obviously fabricated "intercepted audio" does not count as actual evidence

It's a good video. When I first watched it, I liked it because it put how i felt about the movies into a more comprehensive argument. Each movie is explicitly rejecting what came before it which is why the trilogy is such a haphazard mess

There's a few points I don't agree with but the main thesis makes sense.

This is kind of hilarious in a way, it's like a culmination of Hillary Clinton's trajectory post-2016. She's eventually settled on "actually all women failed me".

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1793666093791543515

These fucking morons don't even understand that the censorship occurred 20 years ago when the original was released.

Heck back then even I knew that.

20 years ago Vivian was best girl

20 years later Vivian also best girl

Started playing the remake today, haven't gotten to when she joins the party but can't wait till she Fiery Jinxes over everything in my path just like the good ole days

mystic_belmont posted...

RoS is so bad. In fact the ST is just terrible. They had no plan, the entire trilogy feels like two divorced parents fighting over their kids.

TFA is a rejection of the prequels; TLJ is a rejection of TFA; RoS is a rejection of TLJ

Every movie in the trilogy is trying to bury that which came before it, while starting from scratch, which results in a completely incoherent mess of a story.

Southernfatman posted...

It's funny how divided the fanbase got over TLJ, but then pretty much united over ROS being crap.

That's because TLJ, for all of its faults, is the best of its trilogy, because it's at least trying to stand on its own feet.

TFA is almost a carbon copy of A New Hope. And ROS is.... well, it's just really fucking bad in every way.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

I really doubt they're as bad as the prequels lol

The prequels are much better

BlackOmnimon posted...

Reminder that Peru had a left-wing President until he got overthrown by his vicepresident with the help of the right-wing congress and the police. Now the former left-wing President is in jail.

Peru's congress is dominated by people who think the fascist dictator Alberto Fujimori who forcibly sterilized indigenous women is a swell guy. The current President is basically their point woman, but she's understood to be a placeholder with the goal being to get Fujimori's daughter Keiko back into office someday; the current President is just keeping the seat warm for now.

Pedro Castillo (the former President who's now in jail) was just the latest of several Peruvian presidents fucked over by the obstructionist Congress in recent years.

I mean Putin is welcome to cozy up to Israel in US absence, he'd just make himself a total pariah among the global south. Which, given he's already isolated from the west, would basically spell the end for Russia.

Make whatever excuse to make yourself feel better about it but the truth is the US is knowingly aiding and abetting genocide in Gaza.

Foppe posted...

Exactly what can we do?
Embargos?

Are you talking about the US? Cause they could cut Israel off right now, this very second. No weapons, no intelligence, no diplomatic support, nothing. And Israel would be crippled without that support.

So when Israel completely ignores this ruling what is the US going to do? What about the rest of the world?

https://twitter.com/ErinBanco/status/1793270391948861507

https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1718107575781404897?lang=en

xXfireglzXx posted...

America isn't dominant enough right now to abandon allies who are positioned in such a geopolitically crucial part of the world, even if at full disagreement with the method and rhetoric employed by Israel.

There's a rapidly deteriorating trade war with China in the background of all this, it's simply not feasible to risk losing Israel as an ally right now in any capacity.

Foreign policy will continue to be viewed in terms of pragmatic gains and losses, and nothing is likely to change that in our lifetimes.

It sucks, it sucks to think about, it's the truth though.

Die-hard support for Israel is severely undermining US soft power right now. It's not really in their interest to keep this up.

On purely realpolitik terms there's an argument to be made that Israel has outlived its usefulness as a client state and the US is better off cutting its losses. Y'know, in addition to the moral argument of we should stop supporting genocide

conduit posted...

Isn't Joe Biden the one that has spent his whole political career famously saying "If Israel didn't exist, we'd have to create an Israel!"

A user on Reddit earlier pretty much described Israel as a US military base masquerading as a country, which I more or less agree with.

Lots of people think Israel controls America or has somehow made America it's b****. But the US can exist without Israel. Israel cannot exist without the US. I think that tells you who wears the trousers ('pants' for our American friends) in this relationship, when Israel is dependent on 70% of its arms from the US and relies on the US to save it from Iran. Israel needs the US more than the US needs Israel.

Israel is a settler-colonial outpost of the west. The US projects power in the Middle East through it. Indeed, Israel is ultimately a client state dependent upon the west for continued military funding and international backing. It is true that Israel has over the decades increasingly gone off the rails, but it's in a "big brother-little brother" way. Big bro (the US) may occasionally chide lil bro (Israel) in private*, but big bro never stops supporting lil bro and never stops defending lil bro when anyone criticizes him.

*Even this part is questionable, we're told through deliberate White House leaks that Biden and others occasionally chide Netenyahu in private but there isn't a ton of verification otherwise.

Starks posted...

It won't stop as long as US govt enablers like Fetterman or Graham can't even admit Israeli action causes civilian deaths.

This is underselling it. The US government at all levels is directly assisting this, as well a providing international cover for it.

Prismsblade posted...

Im finding it harder and harder to believe the death counter hasnt well surpassed 6 figures yet tbh

Mostly from lack of food and water, it likely is.

ShineboxPhil posted...

You're just upset you don't have an aunt that will let you borrow screws to secure galvanized square steel.

I have this and it's actually terrible, I hate it.

Foppe posted...

From what l can see, the Gaza officially stopped reporting how many of the dead that were kids/women a while ago, and the new numbers are lower.
The total killed are around the same, just more dead adult males.
So it can be everything from correcting wrong numbers to propaganda (both before with how many innocent that died to after with how many "Hamas" that have been killed).

They "stopped reporting it" because the entire Gaza healthcare system has effectively collapsed.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Is this what a right to defend yourself looks like?

Every single living being in Gaza - including the hornets, as of 24 hours ago apparently - are Hamas

/s because people on this website don't understand obvious sarcasm

PraetorXyn posted...

You mean Hillary Clinton is shit at politics yet again? Im shocked.

This isn't "shit at politics". This is Hillary Clinton expressing her genuine belief. Her genuine belief is that protesting against genocide is more morally repulsive than carrying out genocide.

The US should probably stop aiding Israel in any capacity

It won't, but it should.

Sandalorn posted...

They continue to show that this isn't a war against Hamas but a genocide against ALL Palestinians...

The 400+ Palestinians killed in the West Bank since October 7th is all the proof one should ever need.

Wikipedia still lists this as "Israel-Hamas" war which honestly is an absurd level of propaganda.

Mecha_Sonic posted...

israel is indeed conducting a genocide and it is evil

lots of those college students are also cheerleaders for hamas/houthis and they're helping trump get elected, which will kill millions of people

most of the protestors suck

Nah most of the protesters are cool, you just have boomer brain

By virtue of recognizing Israel's actions as genocide, the college students protesting understand the history better than Hillary Clinton, who doesn't.

https://apnews.com/article/eurovision-song-contest-malmo-sweden-palestinian-israel-gaza-war-8e0ca2f7aef9239393eb63ade6199d66

Organizers of the Eurovision Song Contest said Thursday they reserve the right to remove any Palestinian flags and pro-Palestinian symbols at the show next week in Sweden.

Just a quick reminder that Israel is permitted at Eurovision yet even waving the Palestinian flag isn't allowed

Yazarogi posted...

We will see, there is double speak in there.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin confirmed that the United States is pausing a shipment of high-payload munitions to Israel due to possible ground operations in Rafah without a plan for civilians in the southern Gaza city.

It's this part right here. There's enough vagueness in the wording that a "plan for civilians" to keep them safe could mean anything. For example, the US has claimed, for months on end, that Israel is taking all measures to avoid civilian casualties. All actual evidence indicates this is not true.

https://twitter.com/jrhopkin/status/1788121165371744729

This is genuinely batshit. A group of counter protesters, most of whom probably aren't even students (how's that for "outside agitators"), shout obscenities at the protesters, release a sack of potentially infected mice, then leave behind a giant TV screen which blasts propaganda complete with snuff footage for days on end. While security guards actively protect the TV screen.

ironman2009 posted...

Bombing of Rafah started a few hours ago

The IDF has been bombing Rafah for weeks. It's not necessarily an indication that the invasion is imminent.