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Baha05 05/26/24 2:01:36 AM #2 | Should be a life sentence
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Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:52:58 AM #130 | WingsOfGood posted...
It is not up to me, nor is it up to you, that is the whole point of faith in language. What is an RPG? It is clearly defined. I didn't define it. You cannot say it is malleable and start calling things that aren't RPG that just because you want to.RPGs are shorts for Role Playing Games which has several subsets that we all are aware of. The problem isnt from rather or not something is classified as an RPG here but people flip flopping between the words Remake, Reimagining, Remaster and how these sorts of things can vary so damn heavily that there is almost always going to be some arguments surrounding the words. Despite the fact that we at least can come to some good conclusions or even compromises. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:50:17 AM #127 | [LFAQs-redacted-quote]
ITP Im going to use the word shill incorrectly to insult Baha. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:47:35 AM #125 | WingsOfGood posted...
Thanks. I will move on for their behalf.Whatever you say then. I guess the next time anything dealing with censorship will just have to be ignored if the creators choose to make those changes. Fuck creative rights and all that guys. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:44:25 AM #123 | MrMolinaro posted...
FFS just take the L and move on. You lost this argument like 100 posts ago.It wouldnt be an L if there wasnt that inherent bias for something people cannot even agree on and would rather misuse words in the first place. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:43:29 AM #122 | WingsOfGood posted...
You don't actually understand what this means do you?Yes I do and that doesnt negate the fact you purposely cut that from the full quote in where I call your bullshit for making it seem like I am putting SE on this untouchable height. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:42:12 AM #120 | WingsOfGood posted...
??? WingsOfGood posted... ???Its an older article that may have been relevant at one point but developers can change things and during development things can be added in. The fact is that you still present nothing that really classifies it as one or the other because that doesnt exist to tell the difference here its all based around opinions. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:37:14 AM #116 | WingsOfGood posted...
What they say literally has no meaning. You realize they said a lot of things that were false?So your one example is a 2015 article? Also still no word on a classification that determines the difference. Also do not mistake me pointing out the game as a remake as putting SE on a pedestal this is exactly why you are coming across as someone arguing in bad faith. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:29:19 AM #114 | WingsOfGood posted...
Are you asking if some website has done this? The classification is the general population of gamers understand words.So you are claiming a classification exists for these things in general that can determine what a remake and a reimagined work is yet cannot provide where this things exists except that it is gamers that somehow have the say here? Idk that sounds pretty much like there is nothing solid that really can cement anything and is a part of the problem from the gamer side because it has to circumvent what creators say. I mean hell a majority isnt always going to be right and you cant even really prove this is a thing a majority of people are even agreeing with in the first place. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:23:49 AM #110 | WingsOfGood posted...
first you determine what makes an rpgSo again where is this classification on rather or not something is a remake versus reimagined work? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:16:22 AM #106 | WingsOfGood posted...
we are on gamefaqs and you can search rpgsSo where is this classification for what determines what a remake is versus reimagined work? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:14:26 AM #104 | WingsOfGood posted...
again that is not how classification worksDoubt you saw the edit but where does this classification come from now? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:12:20 AM #102 | WingsOfGood posted...
intentions of a creator is not how you classify thingsIt is when it comes to media based things. Hell where exactly are you seeing this classification coming from? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:10:41 AM #100 | WingsOfGood posted...
Do you understand why classification systems exist?I do and do you understand that we really dont have much of a system in that sense for games? Or hell really even movies for that matter? Because again intentions of a creator is going to vary widely here. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 1:07:54 AM #98 | WingsOfGood posted...
They can design something however they want. That doesn't change the meaning of functional words used for classifying.And yet the reality is the things you are quoting for one again can apply either way here and two are also coming from someone elses words who again dont speak for everyone creating things. Thats where your bad faith arguments kick in. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:58:22 AM #96 | WingsOfGood posted...
I didn't make the definitions, and wtf are you on about with interpretations? HOLYAnd people can see how you are making this all into an argument of bad faith because again creators have their own say on their design choices and for the term remake it still fits what is happening in FFVII. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:50:52 AM #94 | WingsOfGood posted...
I gave you the definitions and what the people who make the movies explain are the terms.You gave them sure but you are using your own interpretations in the definitions and another spoiler alert: Those people that make movies dont speak for everyone who makes movies. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:48:37 AM #92 | WingsOfGood posted...
It is not what I say, these are established definitions.And yet you are doing the same thing you claim I do. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:47:44 AM #90 | WingsOfGood posted...
You don't care about the actual definitions, this is clear now. You just want to win and e-argument and defend Square.That irony coming from you. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:46:50 AM #87 | WingsOfGood posted...
Cinematic Happenings Under Development,Whatever you say, by that logic you are basically just agreeing with one industry person and ignoring the intention of other industry people. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:43:10 AM #84 | WingsOfGood posted...
Again you deceptively misuse and misunderstand.And yet creators can have different opinions on things. So if they see it as a remake it will fall under that. Because ultimately that is the intention here and if they are going for double meanings thats fair too. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:40:59 AM #82 | WingsOfGood posted...
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/dictionary/remakes-reboots-and-reimaginings/And yet outside the additionally story content to the games Remake and Rebirth plays pretty much the same damn story beats as the Original. Also the fuck is Chud.com? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:39:24 AM #80 | WingsOfGood posted...
This is extremely bad faith. The word is why it is not a remake and you know it. And it was the first thing brought up.And yet remake 1 of 2 verb re make ()r-mk remade ()r-md ; remaking Synonyms of remake transitive verb : to make anew or in a different form Again words have multiple different meanings and those meanings can also play a part in things. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:35:18 AM #78 | WingsOfGood posted...
You tried pretending I was asking about the title:Again if you want to ignore how words work be my guest. People can easily look up what the damn definition for Remake is. And multiple people can be just as easily wrong because again people want to cling to terms with a more limited look on it just to criticize things. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:31:24 AM #75 | WingsOfGood posted...
Stop acting in bad faith.You are the one acting in bad faith because it fits the term Remake here. Its just it the remake people wanted. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:28:25 AM #73 | WingsOfGood posted...
Then you have no problem with the term Rebirth? Only with me using it in this thread?I have no problem with it being the title for the secondary entry no but how you are going about it comes off more as a bad faith argument because you are ignoring how bad it would be to call the second Game Remake Part II. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:25:48 AM #71 | WingsOfGood posted...
Bad faith? Square calls it that just as they called it remake. Strange to defend one and be against the other.Because again you are using this as a bad faith argument. Its less a bias and more calling out your point as just being bad for the sake of being bad. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
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Baha05 05/26/24 12:23:11 AM #2 | Probably not? Unless it states it was design for both hot and cold beverages.
--- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:22:17 AM #69 | WingsOfGood posted...
So you agree the series is a Rebirth?No because thats a statement you are trying to make in bad faith here. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:21:14 AM #67 | StealThisSheen posted...
"lol no" nothing. TPC literally does not consider them remakes, officially. You can argue they are, but according to TPC, they are not.Yes lol unless you have a citation on that one. And also TPC wouldnt even have say on this one it would need to be from Gamefreak. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:20:55 AM #66 | WingsOfGood posted...
So Rebirth is just...a title but for some reason Remake has to be a thing you have to debate and defend?Naw you are just twisting things at this point just to have a point. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:19:46 AM #62 | StealThisSheen posted...
Let's Go is actually officially not considered a remake.lol no --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:19:28 AM #61 | mehmeh1 posted...
so does Pokemon ORAS, and arguably Let's Go, but they're still remakesBy the logic most games do that when it comes to how remakes are done but FFVIIR has that bit of a different distinction that still falls under remake anyhow regardless of the continuation part of the remakes. (Even though its not technically even a continuation in the same sense anyhow and more of a potential happening side by side it) --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:17:07 AM #57 | WingsOfGood posted...
Oh so Rebirth is just a title? Only a title?A title and a double meaning for the theme of the game but ultimately its the sequel to Remake and that already has a double meaning for its title too. Again words do that and there are ways one can play with words. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:14:31 AM #55 | WingsOfGood posted...
No it can't. The only people who argue this are people hellbent on defending Square's misuse of the word.Yes it can, its literally not even the hardest thing to grasp that it can be both. And its a title for the second game. Which would be better then calling it Remake Part II --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:11:44 AM #52 | WingsOfGood posted...
I am literally going by how things work and I am not alone here.And how things word very easily varies based on context. Context wise The FFVII Trilogy of games we are getting can be both a remake and a continuation of the past games. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:09:30 AM #50 | WingsOfGood posted...
Who are all these people that are being shocked? Are you the lone arbiter of this sacred knowledge?I mean if you want to ignore how things work go for it. I think most people have used more then one word to describe things and thats what can be seen with video games and remakes/remasters --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:06:31 AM #47 | StealThisSheen posted...
I'm not even criticizing FF7R. I fucking love FF7R. It's just, objectively, not a remake, and Square even acknowledged that by calling Part 2 something different, instead of "Remake Part 2."Thats because calling it Remake Part 2 would have been a stupid thing to do especially with the dual meaning of the word Remake. WingsOfGood posted... This is false.And facts are words have more then one meaning and you can, and this will be a big shock to most people: Use more then one word to describe things or even build on things! Which is kind of what gets ignored with these sorts of things and why the term remake shouldnt be this super limited thing that applies to some games and not others. Gamers really more or less made a mess of things when they cant even agree on things based on definitions. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:01:45 AM #40 | Gwynevere posted...
The only reason this is much of a discussion to begin with is because square shat the bed and called FF7R a remake when it's actually more of a retelling or rebootBecause people want to be right in their criticisms by side stepping the meaning of words. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/26/24 12:00:21 AM #38 | WingsOfGood posted...
And saying "it just isn't the remake you wanted!" is the stupidest argument.Yet the fact is that people are trying to side step the notion of a remake because they felt lied to for the first game despite anyone who was going to buy it already knew it was going to be a part 1 due to information being presented. And hell gamers have a hard time with accepting Pokmon Legends Arceus as a mainline game despite what was created by Gamefreak. Most people have it in their heads that they know more about a game then the damn people who created it. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:57:25 PM #36 | StealThisSheen posted...
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey includes the scene where they first meet Rufus from the first movie, but instead Bill & Ted meet... Bill & Ted.Not of those scenes are just references and not the whole movie is one big reference by remaking the first one. WingsOfGood posted... Limited? A term means what it means. You broke the meaning, you don't get to use the term.If more argue people restrict the meanings of words in order to justify shitting on Sqaure Enix the same way people shit on Nomura by blaming him despite him not being the games writer. Because facts are facts here it can fall under both because the execution of the Trilogy is remaking the events of the original games with new story content that can be seen as a continuation. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:52:20 PM #30 | WingsOfGood posted...
:'DLaugh all you want it more goes to show how limited a lot of people want to use terms and what not and thats a big problem in a lot of circles. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:49:03 PM #27 | WingsOfGood posted...
You are literally arguing that I make a sequel to a movie but I have scenes from the first movie and make the actors act them out again that I have somehow remade the first movie. LmaoBased on context yeah because that can very well fall under a remake and a sequel. Because you are essentially doing the same story beats and adding into it while also acknowledging that it coincides with the original works too. This is why words can have many meanings to them and you can craft something into one or the other or even both. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:46:19 PM #24 | TheGoldenEel posted...
no one cares about thisNo one cares about terms anyhow or even context to things. At some point we are just going to see people get mad at games for the wrong damn reasons. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:44:01 PM #22 | StealThisSheen posted...
It literally cannot be a remake if itIt can can because again words have a multitude of different means and can be used based on context. If anything you could treat it as both a remake and of course people will never accept it because again its not the remake they wanted and will fight tooth and nail against it. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:39:00 PM #19 | StealThisSheen posted...
You'd have a point, normally. However, FFVIIR is, uniquely, not actually a remake, since the story quite literallyCounterpoint its still a remake because for the most part events are still playing out the same way they are and there is nothing stating that a remake cannot do what FFVIIR is doing with the additions to the story. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:36:51 PM #18 | WingsOfGood posted...
Why do you need something that is literally not a Remake to be called a Remake? Because Square cannot be wrong?Because it is a remake, just because its not the type of remake you all wanted doesnt change that fact or change the fact that words can have multiple meanings based on context. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:33:11 PM #14 | WingsOfGood posted...
False.Again not false, learn how words work. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 11:31:24 PM #12 | WingsOfGood posted...
False. FFVIIRAnd yet regardless of that it still falls under a remake because the term has multiple means and ways of being executed. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
Topic | In the wake of modern remakes, I think we should update our terminology. |
Baha05 05/25/24 10:27:22 PM #6 | WingsOfGood posted...
This is what a remake is supposed to be.If you are willing to basically ignore the reality that there is no one definitive point to remakes that state they have to be 1:1 remakes. Thats the problem with FFVIIR that people cant grasp because they are upset it isnt a 1:1 remake. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" |
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