Lurker > JimmyFraska

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

I'm even more confused. I did misread that part of "whichever side says we're done is at an advantage", because complacent attitudes like that would put you at a significant disadvantage. Not voting doesn't give anyone an advantage. Your original "powerful statement" of swaths of people not voting doesn't give anyone an advantage.

From your perspective that's true, because you rely on the system. I don't.

VeggetaX posted...

So what's the point of this topic? You technically not voting for Trump and want to be pedantic about it to mock people who puts their purity test on you? That's the implication I'm getting here.

It was to come out clearly as a Trump supporter, because I had said in some other topics that I wasn't but that isn't right. I didn't "technically" not vote for him. I didn't vote for him in 2020. As for the future, up til now I have stated I have no intention on voting in 2024 similar to 2020.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

reminder that this user tells people not to vote, while claiming they dont know what project 2025 is.

These things are not mutually exclusive.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

No I read it right. You tell your conservative buddies to not be complacent yet you come in here and tell everyone else not to vote. I gettcha.

No, you didn't. I tell them don't vote, to say "We're done" ie, done with voting.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Oh, but you come in here and suggest that the most powerful statement to make is not to vote. Interesting.

I think you're misreading the part you quoted. "We're done" would be them not voting. It's the same thing.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

This should surprise no one based on your posting

Well thats pretty obvious, it was everyone else telling me this. It's more about my point of view on it.

BunkerBoy posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a1c9a199.jpg
Fuck off

Nothing in either of these topics contradict each other.

Shadow_Don posted...

So you did support Trump lmfao

2016 yeah for sure. But since at least 2020 I was proclaiming not being a Trump supporter. However I see now that may not be technically correct

reincarnator07 posted...

If you're still right leaning by American standards, you're a Republican mate.

Okay? I never said I wasn't. That's not what the topic is asking.

Basically, I'm a right leaning person who does not and is against voting in the general election for president.

I believe it would be better for conservatives to give up on voting and let the Democrats have a go at things for awhile.

However, I have a tough time convincing them to do this. Even after they claim to think 2020 was rigged, they still act like they need to vote in the upcoming election.

IE, apparently their faith wasn't shaken enough/that much by 2020 to make them want to step away from the system.

So my question is, what would it take to shake their faith in the system to get them to stop voting in the general election and just let Democrats win? Cause apparently that just hasn't happened yet.

What needs to happen politically to get it to that point?

justaguy3492 posted...

Just ignore him, his opinions don't matter.

He asked a question I'm not just gonna ignore him

VeggetaX posted...

Why do you care so much about what CE men thinks of you?

idk they just seem like smart guys. Are they wrong?

Anyway, back to the question at hand:

Why are the people who say the election was rigged still voting?
Only answer is they still have faith in the system.

So apparently their faith hasn't been shaken enough. My question is, what will it take to move the right to the position where they say "We don't even give a shit anymore." ? I'm open to suggestions on things to try.

Raikuro posted...

You already went to bat for the Dilbert creator being a Trumper, so you've been out for a while now

idk, how long ago was that? Pre-2020? Let me know. I know by the beginning of that year, I was already resigned to not voting and didn't consider myself a Trump supporter anymore.

Dark_Arbron posted...

I can't see their posts anymore, is that Trumper still at it?

Someone tell him that thanks to him and some of the others itt, I was able to realize that, through not voting, I am supporting Trump, and am now an open Trump supporter:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80712357#24

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Complacency is how they win. But I'm sure you already knew that with your "most powerful" suggestion to not vote.

Well to be fair, I lean right, I talk to more conservatives regularly than I do on here, and I literally do tell them that exactly what you're quoting. I say it to them too. I think whichever side says "We're done" first is going to be at a big advantage.

However, most of them respond similarly to the people here "Well you might not like the system but we gotta do what we can to keep the Democrats out if we're gonna keep the country alive". So, yeah, you're right that they're still probably gonna show, At least 80% or more is my guess.

ZeroX2010 posted...

Even the COVID vaccine? Because I have you tagged as Anti-Vax.

No, I have a high risk profile due to a clotting condition (genetic). Maybe you saw me talking about that at some point?

pinky0926 posted...

This is a lot of sulking dude. Why not read stuff and make decisions yourself.

Well I had done that already with my previous positions, however I was advised that I wasn't being honest with them or myself. Which I didn't realize. As I said these seem like smart guys, well reasoned. Respected CE users. Not that their word is law but I'm willing to not write them off entirely.

ai123 posted...

You could educate yourself and decide what policies you support.

Or you could throw a massive pass-agg sulk about something that was said to you on a messageboard.

I'm not going to tell you how to behave.

It's less about liking it or not and more just acknowledging it. Like, the users were getting mad I guess cause it seemed like I wasn't acknowledging it even though it was obvious to them. It really wasn't so obvious to me, but after being challenged I am opening up to the idea that it could be true.

The_Korey posted...

Is it really support if this is essentially "Whatever you say, cheif"?
I recognise the name, but I don't actually know his posting habits, so benefit of the doubt for now.

Well, I lean right on a lot of things. But, I don't vote in the general election just because I don't have faith in the system. I already hadn't voted in the 2020 election when I was being pressured to previously.

However members of CE in other topics explained that, that is a form of support for Trump anyway, to not vote against him. Going further than that, most of these users insinuated that I was lying about not voting in the first place and really believe I was a Trump voter in disguise just trolling.

Now that part wasn't true, I really don't vote. But.... if what they say is true that I'm default supporting him anyway.... and these seem like smart guys..... then I figured I needed to reevaluate my position and where I really stand. For now, to not appear disingenuous in any way, I am proclaiming support in Trump, and will proceed to study that further to confirm if I really am one as they say. I guess you could say it's tentative atm

ZeroX2010 posted...

Well, you are an anti-vaxxer.

I've had vaccines. But that's separate from this topic.

ai123 posted...

Supporting bigotry and authoritarianism out of passive aggression.

well tbf they explained that I was already supporting it before this even, so this doesnt really make sense as the reason.

R1masher posted...

Are you getting them sneakers?

There's sneakers?

The_Korey posted...

Both.

well tbh i didnt fully comprehend that I was a Trump supporter in 2024 until some CE members explained that I was.
pinky0926 posted...

What are Trump's policies that are important to you

As to why, I don't understand him or his policies enough to answer that.

The_Korey posted...

OK but why tho

which part

whew, feels good to get that off my chest

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

A refresher to folks, this is what Trump didn't want in the months leading up to the 2020 election, by fear mongering mail in ballots, because even he knew that more people voting would end up screwing him over.

Republicans haven't won the popular vote in twenty years, their policies are increasingly unpopular and they've been reduced to running on culture war nonsense--- in addition to making it more difficult to vote.

So no, less people voting doesn't send the most powerful message, it just plays into GOP fear mongering and you're either a victim of that or you know precisely what you're trying to do here with that take (and have been rightly called out on it).

Yeah but now you shouldn't need to worry as much right, since there will be many more previously Republican voters who have lost faith because they think the last election was rigged. They havent won the popular vote and there will be even less votes now. It's an easy win.

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

I'll say it just one more time, JimmyFraska is a self-proclaimed Trump supporter. Why is everyone wasting perfectly good oxygen on their low effort bait?
We deserve a better class of troll.

Love how you post that without referencing anything lmao. It doesn't matter either way. It doesn't make a difference to tell the truth that I'm not voting for Trump, so I might as well (on CE) just be a Trump voter. Fine by me. I didn't vote in the presidential election in 2020, and I won't be again in 2024. That simple.

andel posted...

clearly not or the group that have funded attacks on the trumpian wing since '16 wouldn't still exist. there is a segment of the gop which has continued to grow that supports biden over trump. your posts itt read as weird trumper cope

Okay then lmao you can believe that your anti-Trump Republicans will be there for you sure

Dark_Arbron posted...

Were done. Most other users decided that hours ago and I have only myself to blame for playing your silly game

You're not done with me I'm done with you

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

so are the abortion babies gonna rise from the dead and start exterminating people? Why would you die because abortion is allowed?

For conservatives, abortion is viewed as genocide, our people being pushed to kill themselves is the way they present it. When Roe V Wade got overturned all the people I know in church were celebrating as if it was the end all victory. But for me who has no faith in the system, it was just another day.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Nope. You said you could replace the particulars in my post and turn me into a Republican, so lets see it.

Easy
Dark_Arbron posted...

The Republicans havent gone on record with a planned Communist restructuring of the US the way the Democrats have, so I dont care for your same thing both sides trash.

I mean I can all but GUARANTEE if I went into a conservative forum and made the exact same points I'm raising here, the response would be that word for word.
Dark_Arbron posted...

Voting red no matter what is about the fact that even the worst Republican is worlds better than the best (least bad) Democrat, given the serious threat the left poses to our republic and human rights.

Its not tribalism. Its self-defence.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Nah, my post isnt calling for the extermination of (x). Square peg, round hole.

Lmao, you think they frame it as "We want to kill these people cause we HATE them!" No. They frame it the same way you do "We are going to DIE unless we win." The hate only comes after the fear.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

what rights are Democrats trying to take away? I can list abortion and trans rights being in danger from republicans just off the top of my head.

idc ask a Republican. I can tell you what they say but it doesn't really matter. It's nothing you haven't heard before.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Except when they talk about Democrats cheating in elections and undermining liberty, theyre wrong. The Democrats havent gone on record with a planned Christiofascist restructuring of the US the way the Republicans have, so I dont care for your same thing both sides trash.

What you care for doesn't matter to me, I'm just telling you, your posts are so formulaic that you can just swap the buzzwords and you'll instantly be a Republican.

I assume it is like watching a mixture of dance, theater, and reality tv, with a "fighting/wrestling" skin applied. In that lense, I can understand on some level why people like it. It's a very peculiar performance art. I could never get into it.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Vote blue no matter who is about the fact that even the worst Democrat is worlds better than the best (least bad) Republican, given the serious threat the GOP poses to democracy and human rights.

Its not tribalism. Its self-defence.

But you surely already know that's what they believe about Democrats in reverse? I mean, even if you don't believe in your heart that they believe that in their heart, that's how they talk about in in their communities and groups, the exact same way you're talking about it here with people that agree with you.

Visit it every week or two, or at least walk the sidewalk by it. It's on my walking route when I go through the city. Oklahoma.

Heineken14 posted...

I do up until they go about spewing their ignorant bullshit. Like, you don't want to care about politics, fine. Don't go around bragging about how stupid you are in regards to it though.

The topic is about people who by all logic shouldn't be voting. The truth is, they still have too much faith in the system. I tried to use 2020 to get my conservative friends on board with not voting. Maybe worked on 1/10th of them who are now like me. Most are going to head right back up to the polls in November, despite supposedly believing the election was rigged.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I dont care what they say. Republicans time and time again say they cant support Trump anymore, but when it comes down to it, they always fucking do.

If they're registered/identify as Republican, they absolutely will fall in line by election season. The fear porn is strong

Dark_Arbron posted...

More proof you know exactly what youre doing. They used to call that trolling and people would get modded for it.

What do you mean "proof I know what I'm doing". I already stated my opinion in my other posts.

My first post was in agreement with TC, it's stupid that these conservatives shouted "It was rigged!" But then they're running right back to the polls lmao

luigi33 posted...

Is this more to stop people from pursuing a Switch 2 emulator?

100%

Dark_Arbron posted...

Why not? Thats what youll be doing this year anyway.

If you mean like the points I've raised in this topic about not voting, yeah I'll be doing that for sure. I've been doing that for 4 years. I'm sure either a 3rd party vote or no vote at all is a red vote as far as your concerned.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Id rather you not say anything at all tbh. Would probably be best for everyone involved

And thats the truth of it. You only want to hear your own opinion mirrored back to you

MabusIncarnate posted...

Honestly I can respect being vacant headed enough to just ignore it all, I wish I could. At least you are real about it.

The door is always open to not let your cell phone and tv dictate how you feel

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Hes actively telling people not to vote because of his ignorance. No, theres no respect to be had here.

I don't get it you'd rather me tell them to vote red?

hockeybabe89 posted...

People who don't give a shit about politics sure have a lot to say and are very passionate about the state of the country. Odd.

I don't think I've said "I don't give a shit". I have no faith in the system. I don't inundate myself with it daily. But it can be fun to pay attention to.

MabusIncarnate posted...

You have no faith in something you have zero concept over. Got it, good argument.

Thank you

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

ohhh brotherrrr this guy STINKS

so this 2025 thing scares you pretty bad huh

Sorozone posted...

Knows nothing about politics. Says the system is the problem. Lmao, get outta here dude.

I didn't say the system is the problem. I said I have no faith in it.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Bro acts like he doesnt know what project 2025 is. Stop acting like a dumbass or leave.

I had to google this from your post lmao. You pay way more attention to this shit than I do. Not everyone is like you where we inundate ourselves with this bs.