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I think it'd be better for everybody involved if Logan Paul actually having a legitimate job with WWE made him clean up his act and stop the stupid social media shit. I don't have much faith, though.

LonelyStoner posted...

I havent watched any wrestling since I was about 10 years old. Even less interested now that Logan fucking Paul is in the WWE

You know what makes it worse? The dude is good. Like, really fucking good. And I hate it, because he's a terrible ass person, but I absolutely get why they're pushing him.

EDIT: That said, he's not as bad as his brother. If he cleans up his act because he has an actual legitimate job now, then... Screw it, maybe this is for the better? That remains to be seen, though.

Also, wait. When it comes to commentary, are we counting Dusty?

"He's goin' up to the pay winda! Here on the muthaship! Saturday night!"

ironman2009 posted...

one thing i didn't like about WCW was their commentary except for bobby the brain. never liked any of those other guys.

Mike Tenay was solid but so, so boring.

Tony Schiavone was bad, however, his over-excitement is honestly something just synonymous with WCW. "This is the greatest match in the history of great matches!" is/was a wrestling meme for a reason. It was silly, it was stupid, but... Dammit, it was WCW.

Link_of_time posted...

Nah, Show is definitely a WWE guy if we're drawing lines. His time in WCW is acknowledged, but i think you'd be hard pressed to find any real highlights of his career during that time. Outside of getting power bombed by Nash, his career was with the E.

The real argument would be Booker T. While he had big moments in WWE, he had a long and notable career in WCW. Going from a tag team, to mid card, to main eventer.

As for TC's question, mysterio, juvetued, kanyon ddp, booker t.

Actually, yeah, screw it, you're right. As great as Booker T was in WWE, everything from Harlem Heat to his single's run was fantastic, in WCW.

EDIT: Also, Harlem Heat still, to this day, have one of the greatest entrance themes in professional wrestling.

ironman2009 posted...

when i think big show, the first memory of him i have is him getting tossed off that roof by hogan in that weird roof match or whatever it was. i think there were monster trucks?

Oh god, I remember that! They had a monster truck tug of war before they got out and started fighting on the roof. It was so dumb, but dammit, young me loved it. That was the kind of campiness I loved.

Do you know who is an extremely interesting case for argument of whether he's a "WCW wrestler" or not, if going by the criteria I outlined? Big Show.

He's absolutely famously known as The Giant, but he arguably had more actual success in WWE. I feel like you could have a very long discussion about him. Especially since, even beyond wrestling, he goes by "Big Show." Such as when he had the short-lived Big Show Show.

BrohammedAli posted...

How are we defining "WCW wrestler"? Someone who just competed in the WCW, or someone's career is directly associated with WCW?

Like, Eddie and Chris Jericho would probably be my immediate no thought picks, but they both worked extensively outside the WCW and I think both achieved their most success in the WWF. Ditto for Ultimo but...you know...not the WWF part.

Purely WCW guy, I gotta go with Kanyon.

Yeah, that gave me pause, which is why I went with Kanyon, too. I'd say you could argue a "WCW wrestler" as somebody who either got their start/big break in WCW, or had their career highlights in WCW. While Eddie and Jericho started in WCW, they definitely had bigger career highlights in WWE, so it makes it tough to count them. Same thing for Ultimo, but... Yeah, not WWE, for him.

ironman2009 posted...

it's a damn shame how shittily WCW died out. the management/hogan/nash fucked that all up

To be fair to Nash, he made a damn good point about what may have truly killed WCW:

Nash points out the financial structures behind the scenes, specifically the role of Turner Home Entertainment.

"If you ever watched a WCW pay-per-view, the last credit youd see was 'Produced by Turner Home Entertainment,'" Nash explains. He argues that Turner Home Entertainment's control over the lucrative pay-per-view revenue, which never reflected on WCWs books, was a significant financial drain.

"Our biggest revenue was from the pay-per-views, and all of that went into Turner Home Entertainments accounts, not ours," Nash reveals. He also mentions Brad Seigels comments about the pressures of building a premium cable channel, suggesting that WCW was burdened with financial strategies that were detrimental to its health.

According to Nash, it wasn't just the storylines or leadership conflicts that tanked WCW, but also "creative accounting" practices that destabilized the promotions financial foundation.

ironman2009 posted...

iirc norman smiley works for wwe now as a talent trainer

Yeah, a lot of WCW people do/did. Malenko and Kidman also. I don't know if they still do.

EDIT: Oh, turns out Malenko works for AEW now, actually. Interesting. Kidman still works for WWE.

ironman2009 posted...

yeah WCW always made those mid card guys seem better than the mid card in WWF/WWE better imo. people like the cat and norman smiley while never were great they always had a role

Oh geez, Stormin' Norman. I loved when Smiley went "hardcore" and started coming out in hockey pads. The Cat was also pretty good.

That said, hot take, but my favorite Ernest "The Cat" Miller moment actually is from WWE. It's when he entered the Royal Rumble, and everybody was down, so he got in the ring and just danced to his music until somebody got up and tossed him out. It was just so absurd, but it fit his character so well.

ironman2009 posted...

i always liked the goofy dudes like alex wright, early chris jericho and guys like regal and eddie and melinko too

I loved all of those. Regal, Eddie, and Malenko were just fantastic wrestlers, period. Jericho absolutely grew into something great. Even Alex Wright was insanely athletic and gifted, he just never got the chance because they refused to push him, and... When they finally did, it was as "Berlin," which was a gimmick nobody could have got over.

I honestly loved Wright and Disco as the Dancing Fools.

ironman2009 posted...

the cruiserweights for WCW were great. they changed how wrestling could be done imo. those guys were doing things and telling stories in the ring i never saw before that.

The fun thing with WCW was you got to see some of them grow, too. Like, you had many that were fantastic from the beginning. Mysterio, Liger, Dragon, Psicosis, La Parka, etc. They were already big names. But seeing somebody like Billy Kidman grow from Weekly Jobber to being the talent he ended up being was just fun to watch.

Shotgunnova posted...

Based purely off WCW/NWO Revenge, Konnan.

Ooh, good answer. Konnan was basically Mexico's Hulk Hogan, at the time. It's crazy how much he moved ratings, since you would have never really guessed, based on how they used him.

I miss WCW. The actual wrestling content wasn't typically as good, outside of when matches involved some of the better workers, or the luchador matches, but it just had this... Campy, retro feel, that you never really got out of WWE.

ironman2009 posted...

he was also awesome. every match i remember him being in he did something you didn't see before

Dude was amazing. His story is so sad.

Probably Chris Kanyon, honestly. Maybe Ultimo Dragon or Psicosis, but they feel less "WCW wrestler" because they competed so many places, at the time.

PowerMan5000000 posted...

Theyd need to make Horizon ports for the Switch and aint no way the Switch can handle any of them

Nah. Sakurai has said in the past that the character doesn't have to have actually appeared on a Nintendo console.

Baron_Ox posted...

there's a Horizon Lego game coming out this year on multiple platforms, including Switch.

Oh, and this would cover it, anyway. Nice.

There are plenty of reasons for not using external speakers.

A small room.
Living in an apartment or row home where you don't want too much noise.
Literally just feeling the TV speaker is enough and not wanting to spend more money.

Turbam posted...

I imagine that Microsoft would get another rep before Sony did.

I hope if Microsoft gets another rep, instead of going with something obvious like Master Chief or Marcus Fenix, they go with a Killer Instinct character, for the history. Fulgore or Sabrewulf would be cool.

EDIT: Or, hell, if not KI, go Battletoads. I feel like those kind of options would be more fun than a Shooty McGunnerson.

EDIT EDIT: Actually, I've just 1,000% sold myself on wanting a Battletoad. The moveset would be so easy, since they're so animated in the games.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

You constantly not getting the point doesn't make them dumb. You simply have some weird vendetta against me.

Are you saying everybody has some weird vendetta against you? Because the vast majority of us think your topics are dumb, yes.

Murphiroth posted...

I think it was 43 inch but yeah.

That's why I pointed out that he doesn't seem to understand that not everyone shares his situation. Maybe he as a desk where a 43 inch isn't a monstrosity but I sure as hell don't.

I just can't even imagine sitting that close to a 43 inch TV. Especially if you play literally anything pixel-related, because it's going to look awful.

Isn't this the same TC that made the "Nobody uses computer monitors anymore" topic and insisted people should sit at a desk and play mouse and keyboard on a 60 inch TV?

Anyway, my living room TV has a soundbar, but my bedroom TV just uses the TV speakers, since the room is small and I really don't need anything more.

AceMos posted...

the real yakuza has no code at all

certain media in japan likes to present yakuza as modern day samurai who just happent o be criminals

The Yakuza series deals with this pretty well, I feel. The amount of characters that follow any kind of code are vastly outnumbered, and usually outranked, by the yakuza that don't have any code whatsoever. And even the few "codes" some of the other families have, such as not killing civilians... It's not actually a code of honor, it's just a strategic rule, because they don't want to bring heat from the authorities.

Something fun on the Kiryu note, actually

In Like a Dragon, you fight him, and your party can contain female characters. If you have the female characters in your party, he will not attack them. It lets you cheese it, somewhat. Not completely, since you can still lose if Ichiban falls, but it works well if you make one a healer, and it's an amusing character touch.

thronedfire2 posted...

does the real Yakuza have some sort of code about not hitting women?

seems like something that would be easily exploited

Not at all, it's mainly Kiryu's code. He still believes in chivalry and all that. Other characters absolutely have no problem hitting women, including other protagonists/good guys, like Majima.

We didn't really get complete games as much as we were just unaware of how much they cut out of said games.

It has nothing to do with finding somebody or something unattractive, and everything to do with "man jaw" being literally something a 10 year old says. If somebody is incapable of articulating beyond "man jaw lol," then yeah, they're probably not really worth conversing with.

There's a large difference between saying "square jaw" and "man jaw." Women can have square jaws, quite commonly so. "Man jaw" is loaded language and they know exactly what they're doing when they say it.

MasterOfGames57 posted...

You gotta love when someone cherry picks one thing just to say omggg the entire thing was over that? So dishonest its kind of hilarious lol

The TC pretty much said that was there argument, since they're now saying the topic post was NOT their argument, so...

viewmaster_pi posted...

so you're just gonna stealth call people pedos if they think she has a prominent jawline? that's where we're at? this is getting ridiculous, and with each of these kinds of threads, it looks more and more like you just want to reach for whatever you can to justify calling other dudes chuds, incels, and apparently more heinous things over video game characters

No, I'm not calling anybody a pedo. I am questioning your motivations in general, though, since you all claim you don't ACTUALLY care that much, and yet... Every. Single. Topic.

Because you all literally do the same thing in every single topic.

"She has a man jaw."
"She's ugly."
"She looks like a man."

And they're literally based on real women, and every time, it's revealed that the model actually does look like the actress, and somebody just chose a bad in-game picture to get mad about because you guys are obsessed with this idea that the character has to be the kind of "sexy" that you specifically want.

EDIT: So, I guess my question is... With the amount of women you guys say have "man jaws" and "look like a man," what kind of woman do you want them to look like, specifically?

Yeah, when you guys commonly whine about "man jaws" that are present on the actual, real women, it does kinda raise questions about what you actually want.

clyde_frog posted...

My point is Gen Z as a whole likes to claim to the culture that came before them as their own

Saying "I listened to X in my emo phase" is not "claiming" a culture. What are you even going on about?

It's so weird to me how many people practically trip over themselves to rush into topics like this and post "Man jaw lol!" as if they're either ten years old, or just literally never interact with real women to see them in the first place.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Imagine a team of developers who have no idea how to make a Life is Strange game being told they have to make a Life is Strange game, so instead of putting effort into making one, they copypaste the most successful and well-regarded game in the franchise and change a few names and places and gimmicks to avoid being called out on plagiarism, and then they publish it as is.

Wait, what. I never thought it felt like that at all.

Mad-Dogg posted...

Yea.

Something similar is why it took so long for the yakuza spin-off game judgment to show up on steam.....it was something about not wanting PC players to use mods to edit out the main character or something like that. Must have been for a certain time frame since the game finally did eventually get released on steam.

It took so long for Judgment to come to Steam because the main character is based on somebody in boy band or something, and his talent agency quite literally hated computers and the internet. They refused to let images of their artists even be posted online, kept all of them from having social media, etc. and so on. And since in Japan, a talent agency like that has such extreme power over likeness rights, Sega couldn't really do anything but keep trying to convince them, which they finally did.

It feels weird that this article was proven to be bullshit pretty much immediately, and yet certain people are still making it their mission to "Okay yeah but what if" so that they can rant about something that isn't even happening.

Who cares?

Like, literally, who cares?

Why do people like TC and UnfairRepresent apparently care so much about these Youtubers?

R1masher posted...

shut up Meg

This is, amusingly, what I'm talking about.

Lately, people are suddenly acting as if they should be offended by "Shut up, Meg."

I absolutely love the new music. And even if you don't, they literally allow you to use a 0BP badge, which you get IMMEDIATELY, to change the music back to the original soundtrack.

Thus, I have literally no idea why people are trying to make this into something bigger than it is. Not here, but on the internet in general.

The Family Guy style of comedy hasn't really changed. What has changed is the subject matter, and it has caused people to basically "outgrow" Family Guy.

BakonBitz posted...

Huh, a Frontiers-style open zone hub world for the Shadow campaign? That's unexpected.

I like it. It's very Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury-esque. Absolutely take advantage of that kind of thing, Sega.

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How do you fuck up a luchador character when your biggest rival literally has King?

Capcom found a way.

EDIT: And what I mean by this is... King BARELY has a character, and it's carried almost entirely by background story. Otherwise, he's just... A wrestler in a leopard? mask. And it works, because it's literally that easy. Wrestler designs do extremely well in fighting games. The fact Capcom somehow screwed it up is just... Wow.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I guess we've reached the point of CE were users are so bored they literally just make up random bullshit that never happened to attack.

Have you considered joining the Republican party by any chance? They'd absolutely love both of you

Do you... Do you think we don't have eyes? Did you mean to delete the posts and forgot to? I'm confused.

Error made quite inoffensive posts showing disinterest, because, you know, that's what people do on the internet, sometimes, and you started calling them defensive and acting like there must be some deeper meaning behind the posts, because, for some reason, it upset you that Error showed disinterest.

Justin2Krelian posted...

Has one person done this for a sport or league before? Most of the US stars in the last few decades were in leagues that were already huge.

For wrestling, I know back in the day Bruno Sammartino would draw huge crowds, though I don't know if his presence alone could make a 5:1 difference.

LeBron had a pretty noticeable impact on the NBA since viewership was kinda dwindling at the time, but yeah it wasn't really comparable since the NBA was already popular before that.