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What a horrible night to have a curse.

*Sun's Song*

The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

* For the mostpart, did you enjoy the contest?

Yes.

* Now that we've done the contest, with the six-song, six-round format, how well do you think it works out? Any particular tweaks you'd suggest?

WB went fine. LB had some serious issues in the last round, that 1/2/3 vs. 1/2/3 match should just not have happened. On any level. I don't even the like the idea of best 2 of 3 matches in general, but if you had to go with that then 1/2/3 was seriously the worst possible choice there. Get that trash out of any climactic match. Not fair to the nominators and especially not fair to the people who have to listen to it. >_>

* Was the loser's bracket worth running? A few games got some measure of redemption, but we did end up with the same finals as the winner's bracket.

Honestly? No, it really wasn't. I don't know how viable this would be but I'd prefer just sending the R1 losers to a losers bracket, but if you lose in R2 or later, tough ****. This gives every OST at least two songs, so it allows for second chances without going the route of "oh well the entire LB is pointless because CC is gonna come in at the end and crush everything".

* Anything else about the rules you think should have or at least could have been handled differently?
* Were you happy with the nomination period and the method in which games were chosen for the bracket?

Going to combine these two because my answer applies to both.

IMO frontloading a nomination should have been heavily, HEAVILY discouraged. You can't really ban it outright because what counts as frontloading is subjective, but yeah. It seriously ruins the point of the contest. (Thankfully, it didn't cause any real problems that I can remember, but I still say to just nip that in the bud.)

Also, nominations had an issue where someone could come in early, nominate Game A, make a really awful lineup for it, and then refuse to make any changes. I know that in a few cases you changed the nominations yourself but the system should have been set up such that you wouldn't have to. This could probably be fixed just by allowing people to run competing nominations. For example: I don't like User1's lineup for Game A, he won't take my advice, so I run my own competing nomination for Game A. Users can only support one lineup per game and whichever has the most at the end of the nominating period gets into the contest.

* Any particular grievances you want to get off your chest -- either in terms of the results, or how the contest was administered? (Be civil, but feel free to let me have it.)

Not really, at least none that weren't covered above. I had a few issues with some of your calls, but whatever, it's just a difference of opinion and it's part of the contest. Overall you did a good job.

* Do you want to see this contest return next year, either as-is or with modifications? Would you prefer somebody else run it? (Or at least count the votes for it!) Would you have liked to take a more active role?

Should definitely return. But yeah, enlist a backup vote counter. Two counts are always better than one anyway.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Samus may have Ice Beam, but she doesn't have Thunderbolt for type coverage.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

how could two characters who aren't rivals lose to two characters whose rivalry is a focal point of the whole story in a rivalry contest

seriously

how

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Stantler's not where I'd go to to make a point (GSC has plenty of baby Pokemon that are completely without merit for that), but it IS awful and worse than Gorebyss.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Fire Emblem Sacred Stones - I suck at strategy games but may play this through with a FAQ. Yeah, I'm that bad at SRPGs.

You're in luck, FE8 is basically the SRPG for people who are bad at SRPGs! <_< Really easy game, especially if don't make a point of avoiding random encounters/optional areas like a lot of FE players do.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

LOL, HGSS

that's marketed at the GS nostalgia crowd.

The fact that it sold over 10 million copies - and to a core audience, by your own admission - seems to imply that the fanbase is pretty okay with rehashes overall.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

No. Rehash lovers like you definitely make up the minority of pokemon's fanbase. this is why the pokemon fanbase is ever shifting (except the nostalgia fanboys from RBY's days) and new kids constantly replace the 11-14 year-olds who start outgrowing the franchise.

I'm pretty sure this is factually incorrect.

Like, Nintendo did an actual survey of the people who bought HGSS and determined it was generally not a game purchased by those in the age range you're suggesting.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Looks good to me.

Mostly games I own, but ones I'd like to be able to take with me, so eh.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

One of them doesn't.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

29/40

Think I got 25 on the other one, so yeah.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Scars
Icarus

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Cloud
Cloud/Seph

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Scars
Jumper

I must be the only person who thinks either Scars or Shadowlord is horribly overrated

Nah, I think they're both overrated too.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

It's all part of Dracula's Nalp.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

CATS

That's about it.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

The Plan

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Dr. Wily was actually working for Ganon all along.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Xykon is immune to fire:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0653.html

A mostly complete spell list, though we can only see parts of it:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0670.html

Xykon is a dick:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html

Dunno how this goes down. Xykon's not a very smart fighter usually, but he can be really clever when it involves also being a complete dick.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Dreams of the Shore Bordering Another World
Sora - Grand blue

There are quite a few tracks from Aquaria I'd take over Grand blue - just off the top of my head, Arboreal and Technique - but I've never been a big fan of Undiscovered Waters.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Technically speaking, yes, we can.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

0/10

trolling can be hard, but keep at it

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Crucifix Held Close (why is this a match)
Answer, though Ancient Disputation is better than Desert of Despair at least

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Every time someone voted for the fighters, their rival appeared and shouted, "In that case, I'll choose the trainers!"

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Dreams of the Shore Bordering Another World
Hope
Race Around the World I guess but I really don't like either at all, especially compared to the tracks from previous rounds

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Ugh. I don't remember picking Concentrate for the next song. I don't remember picking Concentrate at all actually. It's probably the weakest Frozen Synapse song. We'll see what happens I guess, it's still a pretty good song, but the others are better imo.

Concentrate is actually my favorite track from Frozen Synapse. IMO it should have been earlier in the rotation though, I dunno if it's strong enough for R4.

I agree that Nightpath should've been in the main line-up, though.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Doesn't he have it if you choose Charizard?

Yeah, but is there any reason to believe that's the "canon" choice? I'd be much more inclined to believe Yellow is canon, which means Red gets all three starters and Pikachu (which matches up with his team in GSC/HGSS) and Blue doesn't get any of them.

Like, I don't actually have an issue with it, and in fact support pics with Charizard/Blastoise (because they'll help my bracket <_<), it's just sort of weird to see everyone immediately jumping on Blastoise as Blue's signature Pokemon when he only has it part of the time in RBY/FRLG, and doesn't have it at all in GSC/HGSS.

...Actually, if Red vs. Blue makes it to matches with rotating pictures, it would be really cool to give them three or four otherwise identical pics with only the starter combinations changed.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

He completed his pokedex, tried out every single combination to form the ultimate team, of course he has a Blatoise.

No ultimate team would include Blastoise, especially when Starmie exists!

<_<

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Makes sense to me. I don't think anyone would take exception to a Mario pic that includes FLUDD or the Luma that follows him around in Galaxy. Same deal. Hell, I know for a fact at least one Samus pic has a Metroid in it, and that's not even part of her... powerset, if you will.

...The bigger issue is, IIRC, there's nothing to suggest Blue in the games even owns a Blastoise. >_>

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

World Revolution
Underwater Frigate

Second match is much, much better.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Care to go into detail on the Ivan Ooze thing. Think it was mentioned before.

To heavily, heavily summarize it (it took place over the course of like 5 topics): during Ipkiss vs. Broly, it was argued that because Ipkiss could reality warp humans (like cops or something) to defeat them, he could do exactly the same thing to someone like Broly, even though Broly is many orders of magnitude stronger than normal humans.

Ipkiss actually won that match, and the next one was Ivan Ooze vs. ...I forget who, but someone who clearly outclassed him. So people argued that because Ivan Ooze was able to imprison Lord Zedd in a snowglobe, he could do exactly the same thing to anyone. Hence, "Ivan Ooze. Snowglobe."

It then went on to make cameo appearances in a bunch of other matches, especially stupid ones involving reality warping. <_<

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Metroid Prime Trilogy
Both Super Mario Galaxies
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

little blue ghost is like the second best MPFC-related meme

The best one forever and eternally will be "Ivan Ooze. Snowglobe." though.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

- We, the voters, decide what happens in this match. This means Sarda does not have free will in the MPFC setting, so the simple fact that this match is happening means he has to lose. Foul has affected things outside the boundaries of his own universe before so it's not much of a stretch to see "real world" people determining things like this, especially since the matches of the Host established that the voters exist even within the canon of MPFC, so it's not really 4th wall breaking, it just looks like it.

This is at least as good as any argument made in any match regarding The Host, and just as game breaking.

Quick, convince me not to be convinced by it!

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

In addition, his nature as equal and opposite to the Creator means that he cannot be defeated by any power not guided by free will

http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/04/episode-1136-that-is-not-a-predictive-model/

Sarda stating that "the future already happened. We just haven't reached it yet."

He is not guided by free will. Even the times when he changed the past were events that had "already happened", if you follow.

So does he auto-lose here or what?

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Imbrium
Endless Nine

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

I got about 10 immediately and 8 more since then.

The rest have been stumping me though.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Peace of Mind
Kinetic Harvest

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Islam is the Party Religion
Carrington Villa Hostage One

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Lelouch

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

A Functioning God
Plain Asia

Savior of the Waking World is possibly the best Homestuck track I've heard so far. Wouldn't take it over A Functioning God, but over Harleboss? Sure thing.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Ouendan?

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

A weakness that is irrelevant in a brawl in neutral terrain.

Can't beat cosmic menaces: Yuki Nagato, Mad Jim Jaspers, Time Trapper Prime
Can't beat passive barriers: Highly intelligent fighters like Batman or Kurama can probably find a way to make use of this even on neutral terrain
Can't beat machine-mounted weaponry: Samus, any mech pilot
Can't beat multiple opponents: Red, any summoner, possibly any Bleach character (Zanpaktous being separate entities and all)
Can't win at things other than fights: Probably doesn't come up, but I'm not ruling it out, given characters who have the ability to force others to play games. Dunno if MPFC has had any of those though.

To say nothing of the fact that he could become physically superior and still lose, for example against Little Mac, who is used to beating characters who exceed him in all parameters.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

This guy. The Host fights like this guy, for MPFC purposes. Think as if the opposing entrant was facing this guy. How is this so hard to understand?

Probably the part that says:

It is not known what the upper limits of his power were, or if they could generate an adaptation powerful enough to match cosmic menaces such as the Anti-Monitor, the Monarch, Imperiex, or Mordru. While Nemesis Kid could adapt to defeat robots, it was never shown if he could adapt to defeat passive barriers such as a prison cell, spaceships and vehicle-mounted weaponry firing upon him, or an opponent at anything other than a physical level (such as defeating them at chess or outhacking them on a computer).

Which is suspiciously absent from The Host, because that would be a rather large weakness!

Furthermore, from that article, it seems like Nemesis Kid would just gain the ability to cast counterspells or something against GANON, not use his omnipotence to find entertaining ways to dick around before ultimately winning or losing according to the desires of a third party. Really, The Host - as he has been portrayed in this contest - is about as different from the character described in that article as Samus Aran is from Sarda. There is no comparison to made here.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Whisper of the Crystal
Magmoor Caverns

Really good matches today.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

MWC is actually pretty inoffensive in MPFC.

By which I mean, he rarely wishes death on entire cities for supporting Yuki Nagato or whatever.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

GANON, just in case.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

...I honestly didn't even think it was possible to grind enough to handle Mt. Itoi.

My strategy was to spam OHK spells while trying to run away. And use save states. A lot of save states. >_>;

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma