Lurker > Kenri

That looks pretty good to me, yeah.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

...Not sure how I feel about that remix. Don't like it nearly as much as the original, at least. I think I'd honestly lean towards just leaving it out, but either way would be fine with me, so... your call.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Sweet Soul Brother is indeed an original and I can totally slot Funky Dealer in. Where do they go though? I'm not budging on The Concept of Love, everything else is up for debate.

If Sweet Soul Brother is allowed (I thought it was from the first game?), it should definitely go in. Awesome song. Personally I'd replace Rock It On or the Medley, but that's just my personal tastes.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Well, despite knowing about this contest from the beginning, I didn't have the patience to actually nominate anything, but I might as well support a few.

Support:

Aquaria
Castlevania: OoE
Castlevania: SotN
Elebits
Final Fantasy X
Frozen Synapse
Jet Set Radio Future
KH: Final Mix
Kirby 64
Metroid Prime
Okami
Phoenix Wright: Trials & Tribulations
Pokemon Black/White
Super Robot Wars OGs
Xenosaga 3

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

A) This is because the dumb votes and fanboy votes are a curse of the system. Did you discount MWC's votes back when he was around? If your answer is yes consider a lot of my respect for you gone. They were straight up wrong, but he argued them in a way that made sense (in theory at least).

Dan McNeely wins because the script says he wins, so only characters like Sarda who can rewrite the script can stop him. Plus, the way marksmanship is handled in the Trapped games, any time someone shoots, there's no actual projectile; rather whatever is being pointed at instantly takes damage. So there's no way to dodge or shield against it, because, as the MWC School of MPFC Arguing has taught us, game mechanics and animation quirks are 100% canon, am i right folks?

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Well, I'm convinced.

Dan McNeely

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Well, I'm convinced.

Dan McNeely

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

But using bad writing as a power source is going too far.

Why? It's practically a MPFC tradition at this point. <_<

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Count me in.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Nominated.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

One of the first ones I nommed.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

How do we do Red vs Blue (Pokemon)

I nominated Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Rival Blue. Sort of clunky but at least it's clear about which characters are being referred to.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Epona vs. one of those rideable boars from Twilight Princess

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

If GANON can create a Sun of Nothing and not get killed by it, he presumably has some rather absurd MDEF, either that or it has a bull**** "does not hurt caster" clause in there somewhere. Given that his abilities are open to interpretation and that clauses like that are universally bull****, I choose to take it as him having quite good MDEF.

Dunno about psychic attacks though, I generally wouldn't rule that under MDEF but rather... willpower or some such.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

GANON


If the idea is that Vriska can regen, she wins eventually, because she can keep it up for eternity and GANON only needs to make one mistake to lose.

Historically speaking, this is not how the MPFCs have treated regen. You can have perfect regeneration with no chance of ever dying, but if your opponent can keep blasting you so that you're locked in a state of formless red sludge, you lose via incapacitation. Sort of like winning by pinning your opponent or through a ring-out; if they can't continue the fight within a reasonable time frame, whoops, sucks for them.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

I don't think I've ever even bought a game at $60, at least not a regular edition. No reason to when games drop in price so quickly.

At $120 I think it would just change from "no thanks" to "ahahahahahaha nooooooo".

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

No, I'm arguing direct manaburn. Dragons get manaburned and they're way more corporeal than Urza. Being incarnated energy, if he loses the mana to manifest, he's outta there.

I know, I was just making a joke. >_>

I still don't think that's likely to ever happen, though, considering planeswalkers can regain mana just from planeswalking.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

C) Manaburn him.

Don't you have a big rule about not trying to argue game mechanics for Urza? <___<

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Which one?



At least I assume it is.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

How do you destroy the eyes then? It seems like their durability is up in the air, which is silly since they seem to be the only way to kill him.

Well, first of all, no, that is not the only way to kill him by any means, and I have no idea why we're focusing on it. Urza's big weaknesses are direct attacks on the soul and "sufficient magical stress". Those two are responsible for the deaths of the majority of planeswalkers in the series. An example of sufficient magical stress is attempting to close a tear in space/time. An example of direct attacks on the soul was Urza's artifact called... I think the Kill Rubrick, which basically turned souls into bombs. Removing - not destroying! - his eyes also weakens him, but you gotta get through his wards first to do that. Higher level reality warping also tends to work pretty well, and other people (not me) have also argued that you can just kill him over and over until he runs out of mana, but I personally think that's BS.

Anyway! I'm not entirely sure it's possible to destroy Urza's eyes, because he can presumably just regenerate them, because he's apparently done it before. Maybe remove them first and THEN destroy them, but at that point, why even risk destroying them? Radiant tried that and died because of it. So really I think this entire avenue of attack is flawed on every level. That would be the summary of my opinion of this matter.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Listen.

The issue is not whether he'd target the eyes.

Of course he would. Even if they WEREN'T glowing, shooting somebody in the eye is a pretty good way to kill them, most of the time!

The issue is whether it would do anything. And given that Urza always has protective wards on his eyes, and given that his entire body has been destroyed before, there's no reason to believe it would do anything.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

...Actually, after checking it, I am remembering slightly wrong. The character I mentioned, Venser... well, let me just quote from the MTG wiki:

Venser eventually killed the Weaver King, when he planeswalked away, holding only the exterior of a pair of powerstones. The vast energy the powerstones held exploded outward, killing even the incorporeal Weaver King.

So... yeah, that doesn't answer anything about the durability of powerstones. Also note that Venser and Urza are entirely different kinds of planeswalkers. Venser might lose a fight to half of the voters in this match, he is such a weakling. <_<;


Continuing on the disintegration thing: in his battle with the planeswalker tutored archangel, Radiant, Urza got chucked into...well, pure entropy really. He was disintegrated and reappeared..and was weakened when said archangel took the Powerstones from him. The archangel then was really stupid and fiddled with them and got herself killed (and Urza restored), but that's on character stupidity. That do the trick Kenri?

Nope, because Radiant removed his eyes rather than destroying them, which has been my argument all along. Hell, if Urza got disintegrated and didn't die from that, it proves that his eyes can be destroyed and he'll be fine.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Well, Ocelot does show that he can shoot into his mouth and somehow injure a bird. I wonder if he could shoot through another plane/dimension? Probably not. >_>

Might be possible, I dunno. I still don't think it would actually hurt Urza even if he could, though.


Either way, how durable are these stone things in Urza's eyes? If they're glowing brightly like that, Ocelot probably assumes they're Urza's weak point, but I don't know if he can actually shoot them out. This may have come up before and I forgot it.

The only time I can remember powerstone in specific being damaged (from a source I've read firsthand), it was because a character slammed two pieces of it together. But that character had absolutely no powers, weapons, or military training whatsoever, so I'm not sure if it's difficult to destroy or if it was just that character who couldn't do it otherwise. I also could be remembering wrong, I guess, because this was like... 6 years ago, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct. <_<;

The bigger issue is that Urza has a ton of magical wards around his eyes at all times. I just don't buy that a bullet, no matter how much aimhax you have, could get through those, because Urza's main enemies speciailize in teleporting things, so if it was that easy he'd be dead already.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

I read the strips that were posted earlier. The vibe I'm getting here is that Ocelot can do wacky tricks with his guns, but that Urza pretty much completely outclasses him in damage output and would most likely just destroy him outright. Is this accurate?

I'd replace "destroy him outright" with "send him far, far away and only destroy him outright if that isn't enough to win the match", but yeah.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Can mere mortals more or less recognize how powerful he is just on sight?

Ehhh. Depends, I think. He basically just looks like an old man with glowing eyes. The glowing eyes are a pretty big giveaway, though.

I don't think most people would look at him and think he's as powerful as he actually is, but more powerful than a regular old man, absolutely.


Also, what are the odds he can be engaged in any kind of conversation for any period of time? Whether attacked first or not.

Unlikely, I'd say, but it would probably depend on what's being asked. Planeswalkers in general don't like to waste time, especially on mortals. >_>;

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Sylex_Blast

This is it unless there's more instances of him getting popped. I'll check to see if there are.

Uh.

The Sylex Blast was before Urza was even the planeswalker. In fact it was the reason Urza became a planeswalker. Basically, how it works is: a very small number of people are born with an inherent "Spark". When these people are exposed to an incredibly traumatic, destructive, apocalyptic event, if they survive, they might become a planeswalker.

So: spark + apocalypse + deus ex machina = planeswalker

Basically, that is entirely irrelevant to... anything. It was a one-time event, before Urza gained regen hax/near omnipotence, that cannot be replicated.


How much would he actually interact with his opponent? Specifically, if Ocelot happened to shoot his eye in the first place, would he brag that his weakpoint can't be hit so easily?

No, Urza would probably not give a **** about the match, thus allowing Ocelot to strike first. When that didn't work, he'd planeswalk Ocelot into another plane just to get rid of him. If he then noticed that he wasn't winning the match by default, he'd pop over to wherever he sent Ocelot and like... liquify his bones or something. That's generally how planeswalkers work, they just don't give a **** about mortals.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

2) What I meant was that the reason Urza returned was "the powerstones were safe even though they were disintegrated, back into the fray he goes!", more or less. Hence lawyerism: it's the kind of thing you'd argue at a game table or something, not what you'd write for a novel.

Still not following you here. Which book was this in? What, specifically, happened to the powerstones? Why couldn't Urza just apply this to any situation where they might be destroyed?

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

1) Or plant a bullet inside the powerstones. Wards = bypassed.

I don't think it works like that. Urza's usual opponents are borderline omnipotent wizards who specialize in teleporting things. It's not a matter of "durr hurr i has a wall around my eyes your argument is invalid" because then anyone could kill him. I don't know the exact workings of the wards but I do know that Urza wouldn't leave any sort of crippling vulnerability like that.


2) I checked, doesn't work like that. If the powerstones go he goes. What happened in that case was pure lawyerism but at least it was consistent.

Can you cite this? Because I'm just going off arguments other people have made and the general rules that apply to all planeswalkers, I admit I could be wrong.

Not following what you mean by pure lawyerism either. >_>


3) Ocelot's bullets are...good. Really good. I hesitate to say they could do Shiki Tohno/Ryogi-tier stuff by just hitting at the right angle and such but they're up there.

Fair enough, I guess.


4) If Urza gets kaboomed and Ocelot gets kaboomed, victory goes to the guy who triggered death throes (barring resurrections, which wouldn't happen). So it isn't much of a problem.

Unless Urza, being infinitely more powerful, manages to live for .5 seconds longer, in which he wins, I assume?

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Oh hey, now we're back to 'Those weaknesses everyone cited for Urza to allow him in aren't really there'. And it only took a match

If this is directed at me, I specifically said in the bracket topic that Urza shouldn't be allowed in the contest, and I certainly never cited his eyes as a weakness. In fact I'm pretty sure I explicitly stated that they AREN'T a weakness and that that should be removed from his writeup.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Urza

As tempting as it is to go the Samurai Jack route and remove a character who shouldn't have been allowed in the contest, from the contest, by whatever means necessary...

1. Urza has like a million wards on his eyes. You kind of need to dispell those first to even get at them.

2. I still don't think it would even do anything, because he's had his entire body destroyed before and was fine. Outright removing his eyes, maybe, but destroying them, no.

3. I'm also not entirely convinced that regular bullets could harm Powerstone; I feel think it was a plot point in the Time Spiral books that those things are hard to destroy. Though I could be remembering wrong.

4. And finally, Powerstones tend to set off huge explosions when messed with. You know what happened to the last character who went that route against Urza? She died. He didn't.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Sacred Stones is also a decent starting point just because it's really easy (and standalone, plot-wise), but I'd still recommend FE7 instead. If only because Sacred Stones has some weird mechanics and FE7 has a tutorial to help ease you in.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

2/20

Alpha Centauri and Halo

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

The Divide: Enemies Within

It's more of a Metroidvania game, but it's way more platforming-based than Metroidvania games usually are.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

1) Poland
2) Angola
3) Australia
4) Korea
5) Egypt

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Mewtwo's response to things that scare/disturb/annoy/anger him is pretty much to enter "nuke everything" mode. If It is harmed by belief, this is gonna be a problem, because Mewtwo's mindset is pretty much "I'm the strongest being in the world, nobody can hurt me, and I can defeat anyone under any condition".

Mewtwo

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma

Today, a fairly short but fun track from a Wii game that, I feel, seems to have been overlooked by many despite being very awesome.

Aww yeah, Outer Rings. Definitely my favorite track from Kirby's Epic Yarn.

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"The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma