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From: VincentLauw | #105
So you admit you've never actually heard a Beatles record or know anything about the evolution of rock music

it's cool

I know what they claim the evolution of rock music is, and I know what the Beatles are supposed to be.

I also know what they actually are, 2 minute refrains of a few catchy lines with the same 3-5 chord progression playing in the background over and over

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I like most of them I bother to interact with, at least. I'm not sure if that's the majority of the board or not but it probably is. I do tend to just ignore a lot of people, though.
A few.
No.

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I'm pretty sure RF2 and the ones on the Wii/PS3 let you use a female after beating the game once. Might be earlier (as in you don't need to beat the game) on the latter.

Course "after beating the game" kinda removes some of the appeal I guess but it's there.

But I'm pretty sure HM games didn't implement choosing a gender till further on than 3 in anyway...! Sure to come at some point, though.

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Soon our numbers will be great enough that we won't be able to be ignored

Just gotta convert the many HM fans on this board one at a time.

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Good man. You won't be disappointed!

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Well to be fair the first one isn't very well regarded among the fanbase. The second one is well regarded, but the third one is really the one that stands out far above the others. I've only actually ever played the third one but yeah-- for me it kinda makes HM64 obsolete. Now honestly for me the big appeal wasn't in the zeldaesque combat. I just think it does the farming just as well, the wooing a lot better, and has like 4-5x the festivals/events that HM has. Also you get quests from the town's people to get to know them a lot better than you do in HM64-- and the townspeople are more likable in general.

And then after all that you get some dungeon crawling too for good measure. The dungeon crawling isn't really a huge focus, mind you, but it's there if you wanna do it. (and some of it is mandatory to do at some point to advance the plot but it's not a really big focus if you're not into it-- it's not like you even need to grind because you level up your combat stats by farming too)

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I perused this since I saw hardly anything had been played. Still haven't gotten around to going over your HINTS in previous topics but figure I'll answer the questions.

1. What is your favorite part of Disc 2 and why?

The battle of the gardens I guess.

2. What is your least favorite part of Disc 2 and why?

Most people will say Orphanage, but the inanity of that didn't bug me too much. I'm going with the concert.

3. What is your favorite boss battle in the game?

Probably the final boss actually. It's just done really well. Especially when Ultimecia starts doing the creepy "reflect upon... your childhood" stuff.

4. Do you prefer Disc 1 or Disc 2? (Figured I'd go ahead and ask this now since I doubt anyone's going to say Disc 3 or 4 is their favorite!)

Disc 1 pretty easily, though Disc 2 is also decent. Disc 1 has the better climax and doesn't have the silly plot twists that 2 has.

5. How would you rank the characters up to this point in the game?

Uhhh. Squall > Zell > Laguna > Fujin > Seifer >> Edea > Kiros > Raijin > Ward > Quistis >> Irvine > Selphie > Headmaster Cid >> Rinoa

I don't actually like anyone below Seifer though and dislike everyone below Quistis to varying degrees. This inequality doesn't change much over the course of the game. I think Seifer moves up above Fujin for the moment with Odin and Squall drops below Zell and Laguna because lol disc 3 (though overall I still like Squall best because of Kingdom Hearts)

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From: Robazoid | #001
3- Harvest Moon 64

Play Rune Factory 3 for the DS. Better than HM64 in pretty much every way. And I say this as a fan of HM64.

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From: edwardsdv | #167
At this point I DO think that's an integral part of rocks character. His lack of presence defines his2012 self.

It kinda does, and if his character is meant to be written as a hypocrite that's actually kinda cool. (which would be the only real use for it being a character building thing)

That's not quite the same thing that Rock1525 is talking about though, as I'm pretty sure he's trying to argue that his actions are consistent with his words.

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Like to me "I'm never leaving again" is a hyperbolic statement on its own, you don't actually need to directly contradict it for it to be hyperbole because someone's always going to leave at some point, because they retire or because they quit or get injured or whatever.

The hyperbolic thing to say for what Rock is doing right now is something along the lines of "tune in because I could show up at any time" or "I'm going to show up a lot more often." Once exaggerations reach a certain point they're typically called lies rather than exaggerations.

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The problem with saying it's hyperbole like those things is that those are all catchphrases or gimmicks that build on the character, and they all get backed up to some extent. Kane may not literally drag people to hell but he does open up flaming pits in the ring. COBRAAA being a legit finisher is kinda ridiculous but he actually does win matches against weaker guys with it. And so on.

It's not really the same thing, unless you're trying to say that The Rock saying he's never leaving and then leaving for 8 months is some sorta gimmick that's meant to sell him as a character.

There's a difference between hyperbole and something that is patently untrue, I guess is what I mean to say.

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The show is a snoozer and has been since season 2. I tried to keep with it but I just gave up after the last episode.

Stuff happens but is it actually interesting, especially considering only a small fraction of the cast is likable? Not really. You get like 10 minutes of zombie stuff per episode if you're lucky and 35 minutes of character development (I use this lightly, considering how repetitive it all is) for characters that are bad.

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I definitely don't see why you'd interpret Rock saying "he's never leaving again" to mean... whatever the heck TheRock1525 is saying it means, without going meta and saying to yourself "well Rock is doing a movie right now so he's obviously being metaphorical or something." Which to me is sorta like taking John Cena kissing Eve to be meaningless in kayfabe because he has a wife, and thusly say "hey Zack shouldn't be mad at Cena because Cena obviously has a wife so he clearly wasn't out to betray him" or to say "Jericho isn't actually a dick look at him on Dancing With The Stars." Rock seems like an exception there for the way people typically think, for whatever reason.

If you take the words as actually meaning something close to what they mean on paper though it's pretty damn hard to take Rock's current level of activity to mean anything near "I'm never leaving again."

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I have to assume they ruined the rest of the comic too

Otherwise they should've called the comic like... The Walking Hick Soap Opera or something.

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I hate most of it yeah.

But there are a lot of songs that just happen to be catchy that are also good musically, too.

I'm just saying I don't think it would be a stretch to say Beatles songs pretty much follow the same formula in that they're a few simple ditties strung together and repeated like 10 times over the same basic chord progression repeated like 30 times. The Who's much better but as I said their songs go on twice as long as they need to-- least Beatles realized they were shallow and that's why almost all their songs are under 3 minutes, most being closer to 2.

Eleanor Rigby is good though.

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Music is great. Empty pop music designed mostly just to be catchy and disguised as rock is no good though.

Well the Who are better at it but their songs go on twice as long as they need to in general.

Anyway yeah I might be able to get 50 better than Journey without trying too hard. 100 I'd probably need to try kinda hard just to recall 100 band names but might be able to do it! 200 admittedly probably not.

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Mmmm I suppose just to clarify I should say I'm not actually anti-Journey.

I just think as far as the 80s go there are easily like 10-20 better bands I can think of without trying. They're fairly mediocre. Slightly good at their best.

If you want a popular classic band that I actually dislike we can go with The Who or The Beatles.

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Hey I like plenty from the 80s but Journey's pretty low tier.

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Technically I'd put the girl as the one who started it, or Pun's co-worker. Pun would be #3.

If I actually believed it was started, anyway.

I certainly have the charisma to fabricate a tale involving me, a co-worker, and 9 audience plants and/or commercial extras though. But we definitely wouldn't be singing Journey that **** is for squares.

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I wouldn't even have gone on such a rant if people didn't peg it as not the least credible story you've given us (that I've read) and if some people were humoring it. It is far and away the least credible.

I just want people to realize that 3 people singing Holy Diver or a group of friends/co-workers singing something at random or joining in with some people singing is not nearly the same scenario as this one-- too many people from a random sample seamlessly playing along. Bad logic is the main thing that drew me in here not bad storytelling.

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Yeah if it was pun, a co-worker, and one customer I would have no issue believing this story and would easily put it as more believable than the headbutt story (which frankly I didn't strongly believe either but it didn't stick out like a sore thumb to the extent this one does that it compelled me to say "how can people believe this!?" and was amusing so I just ignored it). 9 customers with no blanks, and that last ridiculous dude with the timing at the end (who had the quick wit to realize what the hell was going on, even?)? No. Not a chance in hell. And anyone defending the story should consider gullibility one of their character flaws.

And while I'm here "thanks Plum tee hee~"

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It also requires said people to sing in harmony rather than in unison, and thinking that this is actually something cool to get in on. I'm not shy in the least and know most of the lyrics to this song, but I probably would not have joined in on this with random strangers because I'm not really a fan of this song or musicals in general.

Like even if you be generous with percentages assume that 50% of gamestop customers aren't shy, 50% of them know the lyrics o this song, 50% of them have the sense to sing in harmony rather than unison, 50% of them think that singing a Journey song is cool. Frankly I think a lot of these statistics are rounding up but to be fair there's probably some overlap to some of those statistics too so it might balance out.

There were 9 customers total, and... oh, let's be nice and throw Pun and the coworker out... so your odds of this happening, even ignoring the timing factor of that last guy, which is gonna add a lot... (1/16)^9 which is like one in ten billion or something. And realize this is me being generous. I seriously doubt 50% of Game Stop customers know most of the lyrics to Don't Stop Believin, for instance.

Like, it'd be a lot more believable if there were people who didn't participate, or there wasn't the whole harmony thing going on. Similar stories, which a few people in this topic seem to have, I can buy, but this exact story? Not a chance.

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From: TheRock1525 | #042
Just cause there's less assumptions doesn't mean that something is inherently more believable because of it.

It pretty much does when you're going from like 2 assumptions to 30 and the 30 aren't exactly mundane things.

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Same happened to me with 30 and 28 and to a lesser extent 26. (and I guess 35 if we're extending the window a bit)

Bad resultz abound.

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Just because the carjacker story was more exciting doesn't make it less believable. Not by a long shot. Again it's all in how many assumptions you need to make for the story to make sense-- the headbutting story requires much less assumptions about people that aren't Pun-- in fact Pun's the only one acting in a way you wouldn't really expect there. (and we've already established he is a quirky character anyway) Even if you assume that people who are both willing to sing the song and know the song are fairly common to see in a Gamestop (which I wouldn't agree with in the first place, frankly), having a handful of them in the store sing with coordination with no people that don't join in gets to be really difficult. Even if it feels more mundane just the amount of assumptions you need to make makes it less feasible.

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... Jafar's safe too so uh Lute for #2 I suppose

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Utsuho instead of Shanoa since she's safe

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Shanoa
Jafar

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I could believe it given a different setting and with some different circumstances. What you gotta realize is that even if this has happened in a bar there are a lot more people in a bar to chip in. 100% of the bar will not be chipping in there like in this scenario, I'm sure. Also they're drunk which means they're less inhibited, and they're at a bar in the first place which means they're probably less inhibited than your typical gamestop customer while sober even.

Then you throw in the chance that even if he had 100% willing people in the store there's a good chance there are a few people who don't actually know the lyrics of Don't Stop Believin (yes these people exist contrary to what some people in this topic might claim), not to mention the whole coordination factor of people singing in harmony instead of everyone just singing all at once in unison, and yeah, gets to be too much to believe. And while it's a nice touch from Pun's writers, the coincidence of using "Don't Stop Believin" as the song for this absurd story is too much to ignore as well.

Whereas with the headbutting a carjacker story you just have to believe Pun is that crazy and that a carjacker went after Pun's car. Not nearly as many assumptions to go with.

Though it all has me thinking that Pun is just conducting an elaborate social experiment to see how ridiculous he can get his stories until people call him on it. And so here we are.

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Pun's Gamestop stories have officially jumped the shark with this offering

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Yeah. I would advise at least using the fall back ping more often, though. Or normal pings to signify stuff like "hey Graves is coming down the river to flank you all and ace you." Or at the very least, pulling out if you see things are about to go bad instead of dying with your team-- might cause them to just pull out because their backup is leaving. Of course as the tank you're usually the one that starts the fight and pings can work there too... like, triple ping when you see a weakness that you're going to dive-- at least then even if your allies are out of position they'll get a slight headstart on it.

I'm not sayin you can account for everything obviously but yeah I'm just saying many of the problems I saw could've possibly been averted with pings-- not to say you guys never ping or anything but when a lot of things don't get pinged and some of the things that need to be pinged are presumably being pinged by your allies it might be a problem when so many of the issues seem to be lack of coordination or not everyone being at a fight or whatever.

That's just what I perceived, anyway. And yeah if you're not using exp mastery I'd highly recommend at least thinking about it.

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The original MGS is the only game in the series with bad controls for a significant amount of the game. The other ones do what they need to.

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Well there was a lot less TV and PPVs back then! Two or three times was a lot for 4 PPVs a year + a half hour show once a week or whatever it was.

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And if you want my best shot at constructive advice out of the 10 games or so I'd watched in the last few days (I'm not a regular watcher so this advice might not apply in general-- but I've seen it as a recurring theme recently at least) I guess the biggest things I would point out as flaws with your play are:

FD tends to initiate whenever he finds the enemy out of position-- unfortunately many times that means his team is out of position too. Also FD might roam too much while jungling because he's usually been significantly behind the side lanes on levels when jungling. Not to say he doesn't get some good ganks from time to time but I'm not sure the ganking always pays for having a guy that far behind.

Red tends to ignore things on the map midgame to farm or whatever sometimes-- that wasn't the first game I'd noticed it. This might be an issue of seeing it and not telling the pubs to back off or it might just be not paying attention to the map quite enough (admittedly it's easier to look at the map when you're not actually playing!).

To me that seems a common bond of not paying attention to the pubs enough, so yeah, just uh, think about it, I guess. I realize I'm not 1700 ELO but you don't need to be Caesar to understand Caesar or however the old saying goes.

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Well uhh, to be fair you guys made some mistakes in that last game too-- and the only reason I bring this up is that I'd argue you guys made the mistakes that blew the lead, even. I know everyone likes to blame the pubs but there was a fight mid where red felt it was more prudent to farm bottom than back you guys up which left Graves cleaning you guys up and red doing nothing, which led to them getting Baron for free because they killed everyone but red and only lost like one guy. I'm not sure if he thought you guys were going to run away and then you didn't or what, but yeah-- no pings or anything in chat saying as much. Then of course the one there was that attempt at a 3 man Baron (with you and red being two of the three) which went dreadfully awry, led to them getting another free Baron. That one was obviously less important because they were already running away with it, and you may have just been doing it as a last ditch sorta thing, but it was still bad.

I notice you guys don't communicate much with your pubs in chat (aside from bickering with them and advice after the mistake which comes off as more condescending than helpful generally regardless of whether it's helpful or not-- hey, I bet that's the feeling you're getting right now!) which might be part of the issue with your recent losses. I dunno. That's why I don't really endorse vent for games with pubs because you might tend to leave them out of strategies and not even realize you're doing it.

I mean unlike many times when I bluntly point things out I'm not trying to piss you guys off or anything. I just think that sometimes observers might see things you're doing wrong that you don't?

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Well to be fair the build is huge in the sense that one half is coming out of the huge screen of the Titantron, I suppose.

There are also some of the biggest gaps in history between parts of the build.

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I would wager that a lot of matches if built to be huge would outdraw Cena/Rock simply because Cena/Rock hasn't been built to be huge.

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I assume people were picking two debuts/two non debuts to hedge their bets a bit.

Tag Titles: Air Boom
Punk
Trish
Masters
Nash/X-Pac
AAE
Ziggler/Swagger
Cena/Morrison
BONUS: Who's running the show? Johnny Ace

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Card Maturity
Mature cards: 1164 (34.4%)
Young cards: 333 (9.8%)
Unseen cards: 1890 (55.8%)
Average interval: 88.0 days

Correct Answers
Mature cards: 98.9% (1478 of 1495)
Young cards: 90.6% (9292 of 10259)
First-seen cards: 95.0% (1422 of 1497)

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Some people don't have the balls to quit, or think it'll get better if they tough it out.

Or some people think the pay justifies the humiliation.

I wouldn't think Nattie necessarily agrees, in any case.

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I think the easier explanation is Trish is insane (or a yes woman that doesn't want to make the business/WWE look bad) though.

Being memorable isn't always good. To name something that everyone knows, Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's streak with a tazer was "memorable" but will anyone other than Kevin Nash and his buddies say that was the right way to do it? Was it "good character development" for Goldberg to lose in that fashion? There are gobs and gobs of things that could be construed as "character development" that are fittingly called crap, and that's one of them.

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Shanoa
Jafar

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I just gave you guys booking like 3 days ago! Gotta let Tom catch up a bit. (Actually I could've had a show booked by now but as I was saying I was fiddling around with development territories on a new file. Might have a show tomorrow though.)

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How dare you forget the legacy of Bischoff.

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Random tag matches oh nooo

Barrett
AJ/Gail
Sin Cara
Carlito
Zeke/Del Rey
Show/Bryan
Henry/Truth/Miz (Truth's #1 Contendership on the line)
BONUS: Orton and CURT HAWKINS

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Utsuho

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Umbreon

Never been a huge fan of this type. Lot of potential in theory but Pokemon can never nail any good designs down. Probably because DARKNESS doesn't gel well Pokedesigns.

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So I've been considering making Ring Ka King as a developmental territory. I did this in a new file to see how it'd work, and I'm not sure how I can control it beyond sending people to it. Is that intentional? Like I'd like to make Jeff Jarrett the owner if possible and control its schedule a bit more but it doesn't seem I'm able to.

I'll still do it to send people to to increase their stats but yeah it'd be nice to be able to do more with it.

Also sucks there's no "Asia" region. Thinking I'm gonna base it out of the UK or Australia but I guess Japan might work too.

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