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From: Pirateking2000 | #247

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From: Pirateking2000 | #236

so what do you all think was the most epic moment from last years EVO? I think it was that LVL 3 epic save against Dark Phoenix in the finals

Really hard to pick just one, because there's too many. Latif's cinderella run, Justin Wong pulling a Wong Moment out of his ass with Akuma, Noah full stop, Daigo perfected...way too much stuff out there.

EDIT: And BlazBlue being won by a nerfed, low-tier character in ultra-convincing, utterly frightening fashion. That was nuts too.

I thought Hakumen was like A or B tier in CS (granted they have changed it a lot since then but I don't think he is low / bottom tier in CS)

CT he was low / bottom tier

He was considered C tier back then, until Sparks proved Haku was pretty much godlike if the player was good enough.

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From: Pirateking2000 | #236

so what do you all think was the most epic moment from last years EVO? I think it was that LVL 3 epic save against Dark Phoenix in the finals

Really hard to pick just one, because there's too many. Latif's cinderella run, Justin Wong pulling a Wong Moment out of his ass with Akuma, Noah full stop, Daigo perfected...way too much stuff out there.

EDIT: And BlazBlue being won by a nerfed, low-tier character in ultra-convincing, utterly frightening fashion. That was nuts too.

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From: Haguile | #372

From: _Regaro_ | #369

owned kanz owned

also /ooc/ is literally the most annoying gimmick ever don't do it again

For the record Kan was a Super Tennis player(his trophy was stolen so I feel it's not a problem to say this) and I'm still not sure how that is even remotely connected to the gimmick.

That's actually the point. It wasn't supposed to be, because the idea was to keep people wondering what the hell was up. Think of it like a superhero taking a non-indicative codename instead of one that is obviously related to what he can do.

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$8 million.

I want a nice cushion for all my loved ones to enjoy a good lifestyle, as well as for myself. I won't see some of them again and that's not cheap.

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Important note for those who missed it: Niitsuma confirmed Uncanny Edition as fake, BUT Filipino Champ (famous MvC3 player, Top 3 at MvC3's first EVO IIRC) said that there IS a new Marvel edition in the works. I wonder what's going on now.

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From: Sceptilesolar | #246

From: KanzarisKelshen | #245

From: Sceptilesolar | #244

But Visage of Zhudun is better than any of Brona's powers for damage contribution so if you're talking about novas it's a bit iffy. Minions of Malbolge is the other daily and it's also quite strong. Also, Brona spends a whole one feat on the Warlord side, Combat Commander.

Don't you have a couple others spent on utility, though? Like Hybrid Talent?

Well, okay, Hybrid Talent. I guess that's sort of spent on utility. Or rather, being a Warlord forces me to use Hybrid Talent to get Storm Soul back. That's two feats. Yeah, if Brona wasn't a Warlord he'd have two more feats and could take Master Riposte too, I suppose.

I think your criticism of the build doesn't really make sense though, mostly because, yes, it's not the best striker ever, but that's not really related to the build chosen; the build sacrifices a few feats that would have a hard time contributing to damage regardless. The only way to make the class itself a sufficiently menacing striker seems to be to make it a charger, and I am not a terrible person, so that's out.

Yep, that's kind of the issue with Hexblades, unfortunately. Their damage bonus really should be +4/+8/+12 points higher than it is or so to be truly up to par for all it's missing.

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From: Sceptilesolar | #244

But Visage of Zhudun is better than any of Brona's powers for damage contribution so if you're talking about novas it's a bit iffy. Minions of Malbolge is the other daily and it's also quite strong. Also, Brona spends a whole one feat on the Warlord side, Combat Commander.

Don't you have a couple others spent on utility, though? Like Hybrid Talent?

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From: Kinglicious | #122

And to be clear, yes, I'm saying your sick, black bar words are as powerful and evil as statutory rape of your boss' daughter.

Because if you are gonna go this far you might as well lose anything resembling sanity in language and accept you are Randy Savage's clone.

Speaking of losing sanity, I seriously don't know if you're supporting me, Rad, or mocking us both, Wang. >_>

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From: Sceptilesolar | #241

Brona doesn't have the feats for that <_<.

Only because he's used a bunch of feats to augment a secondary role. If you didn't want to increase your general utility you could definitely dump the Warlord feats, is what I'm saying.

EDIT: So my point is, when a character can invest considerably less resources than another character for similar at-will DPR, but considerably more offrole utility, AND a true, and terrifying nova burst, it's kind of a big deal. Means the second character is not doing sufficiently well. He has to do MUCH better than the first at at-will DPR if that's his singleminded focus.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #119

The "point I left unsaid" is not even a point. Tell me the difference between the following two arguments:

That's not a small step.

That's not a small step. It's a big one.

What's the answer? Four words.

Let's not get into a word-wrangling debate again. What you said was 'that's absolutely nothing compared to an expansion' (paraphrased slightly because I don't want to go fish for the exact quote, but you'll agree that this was the gist of it?). This IS different from 'that's absolutely nothing compared to an expansion, though still an awful lot'. That's five extra words, and yet it changes assumptions about your understanding of the inner workings of game development considerably. It's not a big deal to you, but it IS a big deal to me, because I've hashed this argument more than once with people who *refused* to believe rebalancing was hard. They weren't hard to convince, they flatly said 'you're a liar, it's just number tweaking!'. So I'm a bit jaded about it.

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From: Sceptilesolar | #239

No, a Master Riposte attack would be a fair bit more effective than a Lightning Field...

Accuracy though, I guess if you include Lighter than Wind for Brona, it's equal.

What I meant is that Feat+Lightning Field Countershot is gonna equal Master Riposte+At-Will Damage if you play your cards right. If nothing else, because that feat could be Master Riposte itself.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #116

I'm not actually going to play that game, because if I have to explain that the phrasing I used in my last post was not, in fact, intended to be identical to the phrasing in any of my other posts, but to convey the same message (as I just explained, anyway), I'll just be wasting my time telling him something he already knows.

From: Kinglicious | #114

"since we started this game people have been clamoring for our last character. It took us a while and we've been working hard on getting him done just right, after all, mvc2 just is a totally different game, but we've upgraded that move list in a way that should satisfy anyone. We at capcom know you love this guy and want you to know we do too.

Now, it is my honor to introduce to you the last entry for uncanny ultimate marvel vs capcom 3...

The character from our award winning game in 2008...

Toki Tori! "

this is then followed by a sequence where the chick shoots eggs out of his wing while going pyo! Pyo! Pyo!

The most horrifying thing about this is that that bird's powers could actually be adapted to nearly his entire MvC2 moveset with little creative effort.

The problem isn't that you're not using identical phrasing - it's that you left one of your points unsaid because you thought it was evident. You know, just like I did. This was, apparently, a misunderstanding, because since you never clarified that you understood that working on a balance patch was a big undertaking, I assumed you didn't (because most people who talk about stuff like this sincerely don't believe it takes lots of effort), which is why I stepped in to correct you, and it's why we had this whole argument. Now that we've cleared it up though, the matter is settled, and hopefully in a way that is as satisfying to you as it is to me (if not, we can continue this further). So now we can go back to discussing why the patch might or might not be a hoax, and why.

PS: I do still stand by my mocking of the MM supefans though. I got zero respect from them, unlike I have for you since you were patient enough to stick with this argument until we sorted it out.

EDIT: Also, would totally play Toki Tori if I wasn't committed to maining Cyclops assuming the patch was true. I just love 'BEHOLD! OPTIC BLAST!' too much.

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From: LeonhartFour | #113

oh so now Kanz is playing the "you never actually said those exact words did you" game

Fun

Considering people tried to apply that to me too...yeah. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as they say. I'm not calling Rad a liar, but just like I did, he apparently thought something was implicit to his text that wasn't. So if possible, I'd like to clear all of this out.

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From: Sceptilesolar | #237

You aren't considering offturn attacks there, notably Master Riposte. Though yes, Essentials classes do not have novas, that is not a big surprise. This build's at-will damage is equal to Brona's even if you include Lightning Field, and it's more accurate and more crippling.

Nnnnnnnot...really...

It's more accurate than Brona because you don't have Deadly Draw yet. It's actually really even on accuracy otherwise. Additionally, if we're including Master Riposte, you gotta include Lightning Field countershots, which push Brona ahead.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #111

I said creating a balance patch was not a small step from creating an expansion from an effort standpoint, and was, in fact, a very big step.

Citation needed. Your previous posts before the one I quoted were the following.

From: Rad Link 5 | #006

As I mentioned in the Evo topic, I don't buy it.

I wouldn't be shocked if it were true, but I'm skeptical of his story, and I'd like to think Capcom isn't going to Street Fighter IV this thing.

From: Rad Link 5 | #016

From: PartOfYourWorld | #009

It already has, pretty much. Both MvC3 and SFIV have received one huge, retail-only expansion. SSFIV Arcade Edition was available for download for SSFIV owners for $15, so it's not nearly as bad as plunking down another $40 at the store.

That's what I had in mind. This rumor is that it'd be a $15 download for UMvC3 owners, so it'd be an exact repeat of what happened there.

Which, by the way, is part of why I doubt this. It seems too much like what happened with Street Fighter IV. Downloadable rebalance/expansion with four new characters. Unless this is their new business strategy.

From: Rad Link 5 | #036

People sure like tossing around that "toxic fanbase" stuff to dismiss complaints against companies they like lately.

No mention of it being 'a very big step' anywhere in these posts. If I missed one, please let me know.

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From: StealThisSheen | #108

Hey, Rad.

Did you say creating a balance patch was easy

Or did Kanz purposely take your example to mean something outside of what you were arguing.

I'm gonna ask you, because if I asked him, I'd probably get an answer about how I don't know enough about developing like he does to buy orange juice on a Sunday.

Unless you live in Bizarroland, 'it's absolutely nothing compared to (insert more difficult, but not extraordinarily difficult thing here)', generally means 'this thing is relatively easy compared to (other thing here)'. And unless you're being intentionally misleading, you won't say 'relatively easy' for something you would still classify as 'pretty damn difficult' without clarifying that it's still damn hard, right? Does this all make sense to you?

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From: StealThisSheen | #103

...Where did I ever say it was easy?

Seriously. Show me where.

You are so awful. You are not only lying about what you've been saying, but lying about what others are saying, now, as well.

That's really all anyone needs to say to this argument.

I am not calling you a liar. I am asking you to tell me why a balance patch is easy to craft, which was what me and Rad were discussing. if you have nothing constructive to provide when it comes to the central point of the discussion, as seen here...

From: Rad Link 5 | #039

From: KanzarisKelshen | #035

No, it absolutely is not.

It is absolutely nothing compared to adding new characters, moves, and modes.

It's like hanging a picture on a wall compared to building four walls.

From: KanzarisKelshen | #045

From: Rad Link 5 | #039

It's like hanging a picture on a wall compared to building four walls.

No, it's more like fixing the roof of your house as opposed to building a new small shed, walls, roof and all. Again, you're looking at something that *looks* easy on the outside but is not. Unless you're just throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks, proper balance is both time-consuming, and takes up much more time than just fiddling with some numbers in the source code.

Then why are you trying to take a side in this argument?

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From: Sceptilesolar | #235

From: KanzarisKelshen | #234

From: Sceptilesolar | #233

The damage isn't that bad, actually. 10 from Hexblade feature, 4 from enhancement, 4 from DIS, 3 from Shard of the Mage, 4 item from Staff of Ruin, 3 from Academy Master, 5 from Gauntlets of Brutality, 2 from Weapon Focus, total damage bonus is identical to Brona's at +35.

Staff of Ruin doesn't apply here IIRC, not if you're using the Transcendent Focus. Also, this requires you to prone, which isn't that easy either.

MBA prones because of Flail Expertise combined with Flesh Rend's slide. As for Staff of Ruin, I'm not sure why it wouldn't apply since you are still casting through it, sort of, but it's easily replaceable, either with Iron Armbands of Power or an Ioun Stone of Allure.

Right, but that's extra resources then. And...you got no nova. So you do...let's see...+47 damage on the best case scenario. It takes you three turns to kill a Standard monster. That's insanely slow. I mean, put it this way - I do more damage than that for less effort on a charging Howling Strike...and I actually have encounter powers to use, at that.

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From: StealThisSheen | #099

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Like I said, there's a difference between talking about the creative and financial aspects of development one at a time, and claiming that I was always saying the financial aspect was the crux of it all.

You are the one that WAS claiming the financial aspect was the crux of it all!

I don't even

Good day.

Smooth dodging of my request, SEP. Go on, tell me why a balance patch is an easy task now. I'm waiting.

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From: Kinglicious | #097

Also I am so gonna laugh if this story were even half true and they reveal it in 4 months. Can't do the 9 month since upgrade stint again!

There'd be no reason to do that, though. Since this isn't likely to get a full, physical, retail release and all.

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From: StealThisSheen | #094

You said nothing about money until you were losing the argument with Rad. And everything you're saying you said... Isn't what you said.

You're worse than arguing with MWC or SephG. Atleast they're entertainment.

You're just...

Wow.

And you're being extraordinarily lazy and dishonest here. You're asking me to defend my points, but refusing to provide some on your end. Conversations don't work like that. You tell me why a balance patch doesn't require an important effort, and why an expansion requires a bigger, yet easier effort than a patch at the same time. Go on, SEP. I'm listening.

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From: StealThisSheen | #092

KanzarisKelshen posted...

From: WazzupGenius00 | #033

And uh yeah the leap from "editing a few variables" to "adding entirely new characters, moves, and modes" is pretty big

No, it absolutely is not. You badly, badly underestimate how much work editing 'a few variables' is in a fighting game. Do I need to point you to the humongous number of animations used per character, for instance?

You totally implied finance right here, and you also totally implied "It's less of a leap than going from nothing to something." He totally cherry picked your stuff out of context.

Eggs on our faces, yeah?

You do realize an argument can be multifaceted and that, outside of thesis', you CAN present portions of it as the conversation develops, yes? Like I said, there's a difference between talking about the creative and financial aspects of development one at a time, and claiming that I was always saying the financial aspect was the crux of it all.

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From: Sceptilesolar | #233

The damage isn't that bad, actually. 10 from Hexblade feature, 4 from enhancement, 4 from DIS, 3 from Shard of the Mage, 4 item from Staff of Ruin, 3 from Academy Master, 5 from Gauntlets of Brutality, 2 from Weapon Focus, total damage bonus is identical to Brona's at +35.

Staff of Ruin doesn't apply here IIRC, not if you're using the Transcendent Focus. Also, this requires you to prone, which isn't that easy either.

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From: StealThisSheen | #088

You literally brought up animations per character.

Your argument had nothing to do with finance.

You just tossed it in when it became convenient, and proceeded to say "Uh, this was ALWAYS my argument."

Get off your bike.

Out of curiosity, SEP - what do you know of the development of Skullgirls? They have a design diary that should explain to you why I brought up animations first, IIRC. And on a different note, there's a slight difference between 'animations take lots of work to edit, recut, remake, etc., and it ain't free' and 'oh no, I never mentioned animations at all, I was ONLY talking about budget'. Just sayin'.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #089

From: KanzarisKelshen | #085

Tell me why an expansion *wouldn't* be an entirely different ballgame from a balance patch

Are you seriously trying to pull a Bugs Bunny here?

From: KanzarisKelshen | #029

They still have that balance patch, the leap from that to one final expansion ain't that huge.

This is literally trying to flip the table around in a chess game.

Way to take that out of context, genius. This was a reply to a comment mentioning that they were done with Marvel - what I was saying there was that, compared to going from zero to something, going from a patch to an expansion was less of a leap. This should be evident, if you actually bother to check the entire conversation instead of just cherrypicking convenient bits. But of course, that'd be too much effort, wouldn't it?

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From: ZFS | #083

Is the expansion digital only or retail? Is the rebalance just a patch? That's a huge leap in cost between the two, so that could be understandably related to the business end.

For 15$, it's guaranteed to be digital if it's a thing. And a rebalance would be just a patch, yes.

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From: StealThisSheen | #078

KanzarisKelshen posted...

From: Rad Link 5 | #074

Sonow this is a financial thing.

Because it pretty clearly wasn't a financial thing you were posting about before.

But okay, yeah, it's obviously easier to say "we need money and staff" to create something that will cost money. No one is arguing that.

When wasn't it a financial thing? Do I really need to lay out all the facets of a development process out for you before we start debating? That's a really comfy position for you - you get to sit back and ask questions while expecting detailed dissertations in return. That's not how conversations work, man.

Point me to where I said this wasn't a financial affair, as opposed to 'it takes time, effort and manpower to do a balance patch'. There's a difference between adding an extra facet to your argument and backpedaling, SEP.

And actually, while I'm at it - it's your turn, guys. Tell me why an expansion *wouldn't* be an entirely different ballgame from a balance patch, with different limitations and hurdles to overcome. Go on, step up to bat now.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #074

From: KanzarisKelshen | #066

I do realize it. The thing is, it's a very different process trying to convince the management to allocate funds and crew to you when you're working pro bono than when you've got something you're gonna sell to people. The amount of cash you have to spend in one case is miles away from the dough you have for the other. Does it make more sense now?

So now this is a financial thing.

Because it pretty clearly wasn't a financial thing you were posting about before.

But okay, yeah, it's obviously easier to say "we need money and staff" to create something that will cost money. No one is arguing that.

When wasn't it a financial thing? Do I really need to lay out all the facets of a development process out for you before we start debating? That's a really comfy position for you - you get to sit back and ask questions while expecting detailed dissertations in return. That's not how conversations work, man.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #072

"rather" isnt the term for it HM

"ball bustingly" is more appropriate!

This. A fanbase that's been 'rather' whiny is, for instance, the capcom fighting game fanbase, which I'm a part of. MM fans are on a different level.

From: Rad Link 5 | #071

From: KommunistKoala | #064

This is literally KanzarisKelshen has no one seen him post before or something

It's bile fascination. I can't help but be curious what crazy stuff he will come up, so I actually respond to him.

I probably shouldn't, but it's really fun to see a guy try to argue it's a small step from rebalancing a game to adding four characters and new moves and modes..

Curious about what you think about my latest point - do you disagree with it? After all, it's kinda hard to argue that a free balance patch is gonna get less resources than something Capcom can make money off of. What suits care about is the bottom line.

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That works, yeah. It's also kinda worthless because you're failing to do any job and you don't have threatening reach to at least trigger OAs to compensate for the low damage.

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From: LeonhartFour | #065

From: KanzarisKelshen | #062
From: LeonhartFour | #058

*says MM fans throw fits at the slightest provocation*

I see

Are you going to tell me the MM fans weren't raging about 'WAHHHH WHY NO COMPANY MASCOT IN MvC3 WAHHHH" now

Really, Leon
No, I'm going to tell you you're doing the same thing.

From: KommunistKoala | #064
This is literally KanzarisKelshen has no one seen him post before or something
I've seen him post many times.

Oh yeah, because my posts aren't based on stuff I've seen with my very own eyes (seriously, check board archives, it's all there) as opposed to perceived attacks against me (AKA what the MM superfans are doing). Totally.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #061

From: KanzarisKelshen | #045

Again, you're looking at something that *looks* easy on the outside but is not.

No.

I mean hell, let's humor you here and say it's as difficult as you think it is.

How do you not realize that process has to be repeated for four more characters, only without a base to work off of? If it's difficult to tweak frames and priorities, it must be really really difficult to create four entirely new movesets that won't be unbalanced, in addition to making sure they don't unbalance the existing ones.

That right there causes a huge separation in the work involved. That is without the new animations required and the new modes supposedly being added.

I do realize it. The thing is, it's a very different process trying to convince the management to allocate funds and crew to you when you're working pro bono than when you've got something you're gonna sell to people. The amount of cash you have to spend in one case is miles away from the dough you have for the other. Does it make more sense now?

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From: LeonhartFour | #058

*says MM fans throw fits at the slightest provocation*

I see

Are you going to tell me the MM fans weren't raging about 'WAHHHH WHY NO COMPANY MASCOT IN MvC3 WAHHHH" now

Really, Leon

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From: PartOfYourWorld | #053

By the way, did Mega Man 9 and 10 actually lose money? What could the budget for those games possibly have been? I'm not trying to prove a point with this, I'm just wondering.

IIRC they actually made a profit. Games like Operation Shooting Star, however, were utter bombs. IIRC, so was the MegaMan Zero series. When even developing on portables makes you lose money...yeah, it's time to shelve the franchise for a while and start working on reinventing it.

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From: StealThisSheen | #054

Did you just pull the superiority gig.

"I develop things, so I know better than you"

Really.

You are officially worse than what you're saying the MM fanbase is.

Congrats.

No, it's 'I develop things, so I know what a development process looks like better than you do'. Which is true, pretty much - none of the ragey superfans have done any sort of difficult creative work in their lives, so they simply do not know what it takes to capture the interest of a market and what goes into the development of a product.

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From: PartOfYourWorld | #049

I think the ideas of fans being "unpleasable" or perpetual whiners incapable of gratitude is really overblown. Just look at the Mass Effect fanbase for the biggest example we've had in years. The fanbase ****ing spewed venom at the endings, but the response to Bioware's Extended Cut - which simply adds some closure and explanation without altering the endings' main points, was received very favorably. Effort goes a long way. More often than not, fanbases (fanbases, not individual fans) will only react with anger if they feel like they've gotten screwed.

The problem is that Megaman fans (the superfans I am talking about, at least - see: KamikazePotato, Biolizard, etc.) throw ****fits over perceived, imaginary slights at the slightest provocation. The perfect example is all the whining about MM not being in MvC3 because 'WAHHHHHH COMPANY'S FLAGSHIP MASCOT WAHHHH'. Not only is this false (MegaMan had been failing to sell for YEARS by the time MvC3 rolled in - his status as a flagship was long, long gone when even back in 2k6 people had noticed his sales numbers were stuck around the same level), but it's some ridiculous victim complex. And it shouldn't be tolerated - there's plenty of things to rag at CapCom for (lying about game features; selling power for money in SFxT; the brutal way they treat their employees), but them bullying the MegaMan fanbase is just ludicrous.

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From: LeonhartFour | #046

From: KanzarisKelshen | #045
Nah, I prefer to say my piece Leon.
I know you do.

But you're coming off as whiny and irrational as the fanbase you're raging against.

Really? Saying 'hey, these guys act like Capcom beat them up and kicked them in the balls because there hasn't been a new game in all of two years because the old ones weren't selling and the company (which loooooooves money, so they're not going to be idiotic and utterly drop a brand with a famous name and pedigree) is spending a good long while thinking about how to rejuvenate the franchise instead of churning out more games that aren't making back their cost' is being irrational? C'mon, get real here. I actually develop things, so I have a clue about what is going on here - and it's not the victimization the MM fanbase thinks is actually happening.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #039

From: KanzarisKelshen | #035

No, it absolutely is not.

It is absolutely nothing compared to adding new characters, moves, and modes.

It's like hanging a picture on a wall compared to building four walls.

No, it's more like fixing the roof of your house as opposed to building a new small shed, walls, roof and all. Again, you're looking at something that *looks* easy on the outside but is not. Unless you're just throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks, proper balance is both time-consuming, and takes up much more time than just fiddling with some numbers in the source code.

From: LeonhartFour | #038

Chill out, Kanz. It's all right.

Nah, I prefer to say my piece Leon. I despise fanbases that try to play the victim when they're the cancer that kills the thing they love. You're not a tabletop gamer so you don't have experience dealing with horrible, groggy fanbases, but I do. Listening to such a fanbase only leads to the thing they fanboy about becoming a massive flop. Why do you think most Megaman games sell 200k copies, never more and never less? MM as a franchise has stagnated, and listening to the whiny, small, currently existing fanbase will only serve to kill it off completely. The right thing for Capcom to do if they want Megaman to be successful is to ignore the preexisting fanbase, and look for ways to capture new people. Less 8-bit VC rehashes, and more reinventing the formula. The current fanbase has to be left to rot, and they should be laughed into silence so everybody else doesn't have to listen to their constant complaints.

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From: StealThisSheen | #034

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I would applaud if they did that. Mega Man fans are up there with tabletop grognards for most toxic fanbases ever at this point.

Can you really blame them? If it's not his games getting canceled, it's him being snubbed out of games he so easily fits into.

And then when he's finally put in one

They get John Goodman.

Yes, I can. I remember that 'Megaman Anniversary soundtrack' topic and the insufferable, super whiny, incredibly entitled *****ing about getting robbed (when the price was a steal), about no new game (when it was an obvious indicator that they remember the Blue Bomber exists) and every other stupid thing you could possibly think of. That fanbase is toxic, and as much as I like MM games, I would be happy if no more came out if it means people SO insufferable continue to get trolled. They deserve it.

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #033

KanzarisKelshen posted...

From: WazzupGenius00 | #026

So apparently Niitsuma already tweeted tonight that this is a hoax

could be trying to save face before Friday but everything we've heard suggests they're actually done with Marvel 3

They're not. They still have that balance patch, the leap from that to one final expansion ain't that huge.

what balance patch?

And uh yeah the leap from "editing a few variables" to "adding entirely new characters, moves, and modes" is pretty big

No, it absolutely is not. You badly, badly underestimate how much work editing 'a few variables' is in a fighting game. Do I need to point you to the humongous number of animations used per character, for instance?

Also, the balance patch is something Niitsuma confirmed is being worked on. He said 'not coming this year' before, but things can change with a bigger crew.

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From: StealThisSheen | #030

Friday comes.

It's announced.

People ask why they lied.

"We didn't lie. That was a hoax.

We'd never put Mega Man in it."

I would applaud if they did that. Mega Man fans are up there with tabletop grognards for most toxic fanbases ever at this point.

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #026

So apparently Niitsuma already tweeted tonight that this is a hoax

could be trying to save face before Friday but everything we've heard suggests they're actually done with Marvel 3

They're not. They still have that balance patch, the leap from that to one final expansion ain't that huge.

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Old numbers:

40, 29, 37, 43, 45.

New numbers:

40, 21, 12, 9, 6.

(This is assuming the RNG will be rerolled of course. Otherwise I gotta pick some different numbers.)

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From: Rad Link 5 | #228

The thing is that the past leaks, to my knowledge, did not claim their source was a "well known high level competitive player friend." Those leaks were very likely people who had either worked on/with the game, or had hands-on experience with it. So they wouldn't need to remember a half-hour conversation's worth of information to leak stuff.

Considering high level competitive players knew of the patch that was supposed to hit before it was actually mentioned by Niitsuma, I actually buy it. Remember, news of it first appeared from...I wanna say either PR Rog or FChamp. So there's precedent there.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #225

From: KanzarisKelshen | #223

IMPORTANT NEWS SIGHTING:

https://twitter.com/#!/uncanny_edition

Hoax? Not? God, I hope it's true. If only to shut all the Mega Man idiots...plus, Cyclops, GIMME DAT.

I would bet money it's a hoax.

Aside from sounding fishy to begin with, that's a lot of information to "hear from a friend." He'd have to have been talking about this for at least a half hour and been taking physical notes the entire time (which his friend would probably not appreciate).

The counterpoint is that we've seen even bigger leaks that turned out to be true before. Additionally, unlike most hoaxes, this one is giving a solid, immediate date. Most hoaxes try to keep things very nebulous to hold people's attention for a while.

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40, 29, 37, 43, 45.

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From: Haguile | #305

To be fair you guys would have had more information if not for the person investigating the freezer blowing up >_>

Amendment: We'd have had more information if we hadn't been dunces and played our cards right. But considering I narrowly avoided the fate that befell Shados...I got lucky enough.

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From: saveus_Maria | #299

well this explains why KP wasn't being proactive during the trial.

Exactly. He was singularly useless and things were too quiet. This had been a consistent pattern before so nobody noticed. Next time I go for a walk and a persistent thought pops up, I know what to do.

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