Worst MCU movie?

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Again, took the bottom 9 by Rotten Tomatoes scores as the poll options. Out of these I have only seen Eternals, the newest Thor, and Doctor Strange, along with Age of Ultron which I have not seen since it came out...and it was the first Avengers movie I had fully watched.
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I still need to see The Marvels

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Easily Quantumania. Entirely generic. Also Eternals is good, actually.
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Love and Thunder makes me angry just thinking about it so that
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Absolutely the eternals. I dont know what people saw in that movie. That movie is so long and contains so little
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Love & Thunder, but Dr. Strange 2 is close.
Love & Thunder and it's not even remotely close.
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Love and Thunder makes me angry just thinking about it so that

I like how I agree with everyone that the movie has too many attempts at humor yet at the same time found way more to like in the movie than not, even if not enough to consider it a good movie overall. Didn't think it was much worse than Ragnarok personally, which I thought was just decent where Love & Thunder fell just short of that.

Then again I also found at least 30% of the humor in Love & Thunder to land, and found the screaming goats funnier as the movie went on. I also prefer my comic book movies to be more lighthearted though.
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Black Widow but Ultron of these choices
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Quantumania by far. It and Eternals are the only MCU movies that aren't at least decent, but Quantumania....goddamn it's a mess.
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Eternals should've been a show

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LightningStrikes posted...
Eternals is good, actually.

This, also Doctor Strange 2 was one of the best MCU movies to date
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I haven't seen any of the Ant-Man movies but the appeal of seeing him shrink just doesn't seem to mesh with the idea of setting an entire movie in the Quantum Realm. Maybe they were catering to those who knew him from Civil War and Endgame?
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Thor 2 is much worse than Thor 4.
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Age of Ultron and it's not even close.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Age of Ultron and it's not even close.
Age of Ultron is great though, better than the original Avengers imo
This is a different question. However, if you want to point to the one movie most responsible for the MCU's decline, I think it has to be Love and Thunder. Thor is the only OG Avenger left. If any movie was going to set a direction for the MCU post endgame, this should have been it. Instead it wasn't consequential at all. It was barely a movie.
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The Marvels and Doctor Strange 2 are outright great movies. Thor 2 is bad but it's in the sense that Thor 1 was bad. All my issues from Thor 2 stem from Thor 1.

It's probably Age of Ultron or Iron Man 2. Iron Man 2 is the worse product, but Age of Ultron was the first time I felt bad watching a MCU film.

It's sad to see Eternals not liked. I thought it was a needed breath of fresh air from the typical MCU flick.
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The Marvels is a better movie than Captain Marvel was. I'd swap those two in the poll and also replace Strange 2 with Black Widow.
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Quantumania existed. Had some decent moments, didn't stick out except for near the end. Some of the transitions in the final scenes against Kang make absolutely no sense, with characters seemingly reappearing in places they're just "supposed" to be even though it makes no logical sense they should have been able to.

Eternals was a boring slog that could've been 45 minutes shorter and nothing would've changed. It wouldn't have made it good, but at least more tolerable. This was easily one of the worst paced movies I've ever sat through.

Haven't seen Marvels yet

Thor 4 is in the same space as Thor 2 in my head where I already remember virtually nothing that happened in the movie. It just existed. They're completely forgettable like Eternals, just not actively boring.

Hulk was... Fine?

How is Iron Man 2 on this list, but not Iron Man 3?

Strange 2 dragged a little, but it was good enough for that not to be a problem

I've never understood why some people hate Ultron so much.

I mean the answer is Eternals because it's the only movie that actively bored me, and just thinking about that movie and it's characters leaves me with a feeling of apathy. If they just never bother to make an Eternals 2 I would be ok with this.
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Love and Thunder is the only movie I get upset thinking about how unfunny and shitty it is, so probably that.

Even if something like Quantumania is kind of a mess, there's still enough good stuff there to appreciate and it's mostly inoffensive.
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Love and Thunder has the black and white scene which I think disqualifies it from being the worst
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Eternals was boring
Thor 4 was cringe inducingly bad
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Love and Thunder has the black and white scene which I think disqualifies it from being the worst
Yeah but it also has the goat. Which is the worst thing in the MCU and it never ended.
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Like I'm pretty sure the general movie going public walked out of Thor 4 thinking "okay so they're just not building towards anything huh" and used that as an excuse to stop seeing Marvel movies

Black and white scene is good. Portman and Bale are good in their limited roles. It's a good idea on paper. Jilted lover Stormbreaker is bad. The goats are extremely bad. But they really missed an opportunity with that film to provide some guidance for the overarching Phase 4 plan.

Ultimately, the entire story arc of Phase 4 can be summarized as "Blip/Endgame fallout." Nearly all the movies look backwards instead of forwards. The problem is no one actually cares about revisiting the blip or Endgame. Far From Home had it right to turn it into a big joke instead of seriously thinking about it.

Phase 4 was all about taking pieces off the board (Spidey, T'Challa, Wanda, Thor (to an extent)) and replacing them with new pieces. But they don't let the new pieces do anything interesting, and that's a large reason why the brand is in trouble.

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Yeah but it also has the goat. Which is the worst thing in the MCU and it never ended.
Disagree, I loved the goats
colliding posted...
Phase 4 was all about taking pieces off the board (Spidey, T'Challa, Wanda, Thor (to an extent)) and replacing them with new pieces. But they don't let the new pieces do anything interesting, and that's a large reason why the brand is in trouble.
Yeah, this was a really bad decision. You don't take away the characters people know and love without having someone equally awesome to replace them. It's a very hard thing to do, but it's often necessitated by aging/retired/deceased (ugh, RIP Chadwick :( ) actors. You can't have rehashed characters that feel like a poor man's version of the last one, since in that case they'll ALWAYS be compared to the original. The new actor needs to own their role and not imitate the predecessor. People don't care for imitators.

The other issue is that Disney releases four Marvel movies a year alongside numerous TV shows and it's intimidating to catch up on it all, and since they're just rehashing the same stuff, it's getting dull. Superhero fatigue is most assuredly a contributor to why people were looking for an excuse to get off the Marvel train. Love & Thunder most certainly gave them that.

I say all this as someone who got off years ago. I tried revisiting it all when the COVID hit - rewatching in timeline order - and got bored shortly after the first Avengers.
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it actively hurts to see people defending eternals as "only" meh or boring, it's just awful
I thought it was a 5-6/10 movie even though I still voted for it in this poll.
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colliding posted...
This is a different question. However, if you want to point to the one movie most responsible for the MCU's decline, I think it has to be Love and Thunder. Thor is the only OG Avenger left. If any movie was going to set a direction for the MCU post endgame, this should have been it. Instead it wasn't consequential at all. It was barely a movie.

We'll ignore that every MCU movie released after until The Marvels still had a $100 million+ opening, with Ant-Man even opening higher than its two predecessors. Also that Love & Thunder had a B+ Cinemascore vs. the B Cinemascores of Quantumania and The Marvels.

I do have to wonder though if metrics like that are skewed by Taika Waititi fans or something. I think some big site (don't remember which) held a bracket game to decide the best filmmaker who started within the past 25 years last year, and Waititi beat out Brad Bird in the first round. The same Brad Bird who directed Iron Giant, both Incredibles, Ratatouille, and Mission: Impossible 4.

I also personally think Jojo Rabbit is way better than Waititi's Thor movies.
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mnk posted...
The Marvels is a better movie than Captain Marvel was. I'd swap those two in the poll and also replace Strange 2 with Black Widow.

I did the poll options based on Rotten Tomatoes scores fwiw.
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colliding posted...
Like I'm pretty sure the general movie going public walked out of Thor 4 thinking "okay so they're just not building towards anything huh" and used that as an excuse to stop seeing Marvel movies

Nah, that was Quantumania. Love and Thunder was a strong performer even after its opening, and in the areas it actually released (no release in China, Russia, and so on) it overall outperformed Ragnarok. That was followed by Wakanda Forever that did really well. Then you have Quantumania, which had a big opening weekend then dropped like a rock from there. Having that as the keystone film and dropping the ball on it so badly really seems to have killed interest. Even GOTG3 was tracking low but got rescued by its excellent word of mouth. I dont think that being rightly or wrongly viewed as separate plus the word of mouth from Secret Invasion helped matters.

Really its remarkable how quickly it all happened. Effectively within a year. Of course they also totally fumbled the release of The Marvels, a totally fine film, through repeated delays and constantly seeming like they had something to hide with it. They did the same with Echo and its also fine? They really need to re-evaluate their publicity strategy.
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They need the anchor of the Avengers there, tbh. Everything is meandering. You have Kang there, but other characters are beating his ass. Just a terrible usage of Kang honestly. Kang should've always been in the background sending these other Kangs to fuck everything up. The Avengers should've been clearly formed after this. The universe should have been moving forward, but it feels like nothing is changing.

Hell, they should have given us a proper Thunderbolts concept after Endgame, with a new group of "heroes". That would have been more interesting for the universe and would have given the Avengers a reason to form back up.

I really just don't know what they wanted out of this. Or if they expected everyone to be jazzed about more characters in the universe doing whatever.
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Honestly the answer is Endgame

Not just because it was pretty disappointing compared to Infinity War (not that it was bad overall, but 2-parters have way higher standards), but that it effectively killed the future stories of MCU movies. Either the movie leans heavily on Endgame events, in which case you feel like "ugh, more of this?", or the movie largely ignores the events, in which case the illusion of the MCU is broken and you realize you don't really have a reason or desire to watch these movies.
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Points taken re: Thor 4. I still think Love and Thunder needed to do more setup work. Phase 4 should've had two concurrent plot threads, a Kang/multiverse storyline and a Space storyline. Love and Thunder should've built up to Guardians 3, and Guardians 3 needed to lead in to the Marvels.

Something that gets lost in the "MCU is dead" discourse is Boseman's death. I think this REALLY messed up the overarching plans somehow. It completely changed what Black Panther 2 was going to be.

I also think the James Gunn firing/rehiring hurt the brand a lot, not just because of the movie's delay but also just because you lose Gunn. I'm not saying he's perfect, but dude directed Guardians and produced on IW and Endgame. He made a decent Suicide Squad movie. He knows how to make comic book movies.
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I could see an argument for Endgame no joke.

The presentation of the snap and it being something that wasn't immediately dealt with but instead lingered 5 years kinda burned it into world events.

And for what exactly? To give it more weight? We the audience had that weight by waiting a year for it. It was largely unnecessary and honestly a big part of why that movie felt bloated.

You could argue it is the fault of the follow up movies and there is something to be said for that but yeah it seems a tall task to write around.
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Yep, fully agree (colliding). We should also add in the way the pandemic changed their scheduling and more to blame on Marvel what they (in part) did to the VFX industry. The former were still seeing the effects of. That was the real reason they crammed so much stuff into a single year and are only now slowing down. It also caused costs to skyrocket and likely lots of production issues. Also likely that this was the reason Love and Thunder was so dependent on the Volume technology. As for the latter the absurd treatment of the VFX industry by Marvel is starting to have really visible onscreen impacts. These are big budget films that should look great, now many of them look terrible. If Quantumanias effects were good, I might have elevated it to okay. But the film was an unpleasant to look at mess because of the way Marvel operates. I would hope they fix that too.
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The MCU was in a tough position after Endgame or any climax movie. If you look at Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3, it's really Phase 3 that has the most back-to-back hits and acclaim. Phase 1 has Iron Man 1 and everyone else seemed "OK, I guess this is fine if Avengers 2012 is good" and, thankfully, it was. Phase 2 is basically just all set-up for payoff for Phase 3.

In my eyes, there's two ways you can go about a Phase 4. You either continually build up or basically reset the clock back to Phase 1 and do a Phase 1/2/3 arc again. MCU chose...both, I guess? And didn't do either particularly well. Escalation past Phase 3 will be tough when all your heavy hitter characters and actors are gone. Resetting the clock requires some writing trickery. Basically, how do you get the plot and camera to shift away from the galactical catastrophe from Endgame? It also usually means getting a whole new cast with a nod to the old cast. With Eternals flopping, that didn't really go well either.

So I guess I can see how Endgame is responsible, but I think it was inevitable for the conclusion that the Infinity Arc was heading towards anyways.
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All the universe's heroes giving up and trying to move on after years of trying to reverse the snap is a very impactful idea in theory. But the audience always knew they would get back together and reverse everything, it's why we're in the theater. So the impact falls flat.

It would've been interesting if they made all of phase 4 post-snap, and then the finale of that was Endgame. Then the audience could really feel the effects of the snap over years, and maybe also get that sense of despair and moving on, before finally coming back to reverse it. But that would be way too risky, and you definitely couldn't choose to kill Spiderman or any reasonably popular character in the snap.
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I know, it's like killing a major character and then devoting the next movie to bringing them back! Never worked before or anything, nope.

In all seriousness, there's definitely way too much going on in the MCU. I'm not even someone necessarily looking for "buildup", since I always saw this franchise as an all-you-can-eat buffet where you take whatever you want and leave the rest but...ugh.
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foolm0r0n posted...
and you definitely couldn't choose to kill Spiderman or any reasonably popular character in the snap.

You absolutely could. That's the strength of a super huge cast like that.

That said the ones to kill off would more sensibly be the ones taking a backseat in phase 4 so you'd have to redo basically everyone who was snapped and use it to axe most of the og avengers (but keep the ones who are getting phase 4 movies)
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You absolutely could. That's the strength of a super huge cast like that.
I guess specifically I was talking about Spiderman, the most profitable character by far
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foolm0r0n posted...
I guess specifically I was talking about Spiderman, the most profitable character by far

Well yeah ideally not.

But really since he's young and still into playing Spiderman he's not a great snap target anyway. It would make sense to snap out

Captain America
Iron Man
Black Widow

Since they didn't want to do many more movies. Then a few of the guardians and a few lesser characters to make it feel like you lost a lot of characters.

Leave explicitly Spiderman and Dr Strange and you can basically have No Way Home (only truly great movie of phase 4) plot be the same amusingly enough.
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(only truly great movie of phase 4)
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Haven't seen Marvels so it's either Captain Marvel or Ant-Man & The Wasp or Shang-Chi or Love & Thunder.
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GOTG was Phase 5! A much worse phase despite having it.
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GOTG was Phase 5! A much worse phase despite having it.
Oh you are correct

I still stand by Shang Chi being fantastic!

I'm hoping Thunderbolts is good, I've had that on my wishlist for ages, even if they're not doing the version of it I wanted...
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