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You guys are getting conspiracy brained just as much as MAGA people are

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WingsOfGood posted...
They will actually. Trump is vocally anti-muslim. He will deport Palestinians from the USA to Gaza.
He even discusses kicking out protestors labeling them anti-semitic and un-american:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/19/politics/donald-trump-immigration-agenda/index.html

WingsOfGood posted...
They will actually. Trump is vocally anti-muslim. He will deport Palestinians from the USA to Gaza.
He even discusses kicking out protestors labeling them anti-semitic and un-american:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/19/politics/donald-trump-immigration-agenda/index.html

Biden attacked protesters as well. They were beaten up and bloodied and Biden acted like they were the violent ones.

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legendary_zell posted...
Have you guys stopped to think that it's Biden's actions and not some Israeli psyop...publicizing those actions? Maybe that's what's turning people off?

You guys are getting conspiracy brained just as much as MAGA people are, anytime people react in a way that doesn't involve reflexively voting for Democrats, you create some conspiracy theory to paper over genuine domestic divisions and different reactions to events based on different values.

Is it true or not that Netanyahu prefers Trump over Biden?
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cjsdowg posted...
They are not going to suffer more under Trump.

lmao
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cjsdowg posted...
How would Trump make this worst. People keep saying that, but no. There is no proof at all that Trump would be worst than Biden on this.

Trump's own words prove it. One cannot say there is no proof when Trump himself states what he would do.
In the video below he calls Gaza the biggest terrorist haven on the planet and then goes on a rant to bash the Palestinians and call them snakes that no one wants - Trumps literal words .

'We Can't Let This Happen': Trump Slams Biden Plan To Bring In Refugees From Gaza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA
Thanatos_the_Great posted...
No he isn't. Asking nicely while using absolutely none of the enormous diplomatic and economic leverage he has is not "negotiating".

Uhhh he has to negotiate with hamas too.

Only strongarming Israel isn't how this conflict ends.
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
If he keeps arming and funding Israel, he's going to lose this election.
He actually has a chance of winning this election. If he put actual sanctions on Israel, he would 100% lose the election.
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divot1338 posted...
I do enjoy arguing with cj but christ.
Why. You can barely tell what he means most of the time cause he types nonsense
Shadow_Don posted...
Uhhh he has to negotiate with hamas too.

Only strongarming Israel isn't how this conflict ends.
Hamas hasn't been the barrier to a ceasefire and hostage exchange for a long while.
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cjsdowg posted...
How would Trump make this worst. People keep saying that, but no. There is no proof at all that Trump would be worst than Biden on this.

Lmfao.

Just lmfao.

Bro i think the people that support Palestine want to trade you off their team.
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WingsOfGood posted...
Trump's own words prove it. One cannot say there is no proof when Trump himself states what he would do.
In the video below he calls Gaza the biggest terrorist haven on the planet and then goes on a rant to bach the Palestinians and call them snakes.

While Trump says this. Biden is actively helping to do a genocide. Biden defends Israelie government who has said and done worse then Trump. And when our own allies, other dems , and college students say hey let's not do that. He attacks them calling them violent or racist. People want to act like Trump would be worst to help their conscience, but no. Don't turn away from how horrible Biden is. Because here in AMERICA . Trump would be worse and we have to stop that. But not over there.
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cjsdowg posted...
How would Trump make this worst. People keep saying that, but no. There is no proof at all that Trump would be worst than Biden on this.
Your historical illiteracy regarding what the Nazis did in Germany in the 1930's is on full display

Trump's talked about rounding up millions of US immigrants into camps, where does that sound familiar
Trump and his love for Israel

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/donald-trump-foreign-policy-advisers-met-israeli-pm-netanyahu-source-says-2024-05-20/

Three former U.S. foreign policy officials in Donald Trump's administration met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other public figures in Israel on Monday, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter.

Among the main goals of the trip was to obtain a better understanding of Israel's complex domestic political situation, said the person familiar with the visit. Netanyahu's coalition is beset by internal disagreements, with many Israelis blaming his government for failing to prevent an Oct. 7 Hamas attack.
It was a rare case of Trump allies traveling abroad as part of an organized delegation to meet foreign officials. It took place amid strains between Israel and the Biden administration about Israel's conduct of the war in Gaza.

Trump, the Republican candidate for president, consistently portrays himself as a more reliable ally to Israel than Democratic President Joe Biden, his rival in the Nov. 5 election.

Dude is not even president and his people are already listening to Netanyahu.
ellis123 posted...
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It's really depressing that memelords share this around, or try to force stopping a genocide as some binary situation that Biden can't be persuaded on or pressured on in any way, shape, or form.

Every time people assist in muddying the waters with this shit, they're making it easier for Biden to avoid pressure and say shit like "Israel isn't committing genocide."

These are people, not props. Knock it off.
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Doe posted...
Hamas hasn't been the barrier to a ceasefire and hostage exchange for a long while.

They have. That doesn't mean Israel isn't getting in the way also but hamas definitely has been negotiating in bad faith the entire fucking time.
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cjsdowg posted...
While Trump says this. Biden is actively helping to do a genocide. Biden defends Israelie government who has said and done worse then Trump. And when our own allies, other dems , and college students say hey let's not do that. He attacks them calling them violent or racist. People want to act like Trump would be worst to help their conscience, but no. Don't turn away from how horrible Biden is. Because here in AMERICA . Trump would be worse and we have to stop that. But not over there.

Wait so you have no issue with Trump literally calling the people in Gaza snakes?

I am to be convinced you care about them as you exclaim Trump is merely saying this? This is not merely words. This is his policy and him saying how he will treat these people. Biden wants to allow for refugees Trump doesn't and villifies them as being bad people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

but keep in mind this is proof Trump would be worse

You asked
How would Trump make this worst. People keep saying that, but no. There is no proof at all that Trump would be worst than Biden on this.

Biden doing all this is known, but you just listen to Trump and he proves he is worse.
It's so great when a TC posts such a bad faith "argument" and then never comes back to the topic.
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Doe posted...
Hamas hasn't been the barrier to a ceasefire and hostage exchange for a long while.

ISrael literally turned down like 3 or 4 hostage released so they can go and kill more children.
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Your historical illiteracy regarding what the Nazis did in Germany in the 1930's is on full display

Trump's talked about rounding up millions of US immigrants into camps, where does that sound familiar

I no more about history then you .. and again fuck you talk. Israel is literally doing that as we speak and Biden supports it.
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Axiom posted...
Why. You can barely tell what he means most of the time cause he types nonsense
He stays on topic.

And I understand him just fine.
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cjsdowg posted...
I no more about history then you .. and again fuck you talk. Israel is literally doing that as we speak and Biden supports it.

What do you think would change if Trump was in charge?
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The negotiations aren't going to go anywhere. Israel won't accept a deal that doesn't have Hamas stepping down from power/in jail. Hamas won't accept a deal that does have Hamas leaving the strip. All fucking bullshit
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cjsdowg posted...
I no more about history then you .. and again fuck you talk. Israel is literally doing that as we speak and Biden supports it.
I don't see any videos of Biden gleefully expressing support over Israel's sins like Trump is.
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Humble_Novice posted...
I don't see any videos of Biden gleefully expressing support over Israel's sins like Trump is.

No, he's just handing them billions of dollars in cash and weapons.
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Shadow_Don posted...
They have.
Advising you to come back to reality now.

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In the video Trump says bluntly "the vast majority support Hamas"

emblem-man posted...
The negotiations aren't going to go anywhere. Israel won't accept a deal that doesn't have Hamas stepping down from power/in jail. Hamas won't accept a deal that does have Hamas leaving the strip. All fucking bullshit

Which is why international condemnation and pressure is so critical in getting the genocide to stop.

Because Israel won't suddenly decide to stop pushing further into Gaza and pushing the remaining refugees out of the region.
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Guide posted...


What do you think would change if Trump was in charge?

Is Trump was in Charge I foresee him publicly going after college students for protesting. Going after respected international agencies to defend a genocide, attacking our other allies that do not fall in line. I see him lying on stage about seeing dead babies, I see him devaluing the lives of some groups of people. I see his admin going after protesters. I see him using false claims of a antisemitism attack people who question the genocide, I see him and his lacky going after Democrats that say no more. All while giving them billions of dollars even bypassing congress to do so.

Seems about right ?
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cjsdowg posted...
I no more about history then you .. and again fuck you talk. Israel is literally doing that as we speak and Biden supports it.

Methinks you are getting angrier as this discussion goes on.
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Kimberly posted...
It's really depressing that memelords share this around, or try to force stopping a genocide as some binary situation that Biden can't be persuaded on or pressured on in any way, shape, or form.

Every time people assist in muddying the waters with this shit, they're making it easier for Biden to avoid pressure and say shit like "Israel isn't committing genocide."

These are people, not props. Knock it off.
So what exactly can I, as a completely average person, do? Go do a walk/protest like the ones at the collage campuses? Say that I'm not going to vote for Biden?
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Doe posted...
Advising you to come back to reality now.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a

Ok and? Is your point Israel bad therefore hamas good? None of that supports the claim that hamas is negotiating in good faith.
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Kimberly posted...
Which is why international condemnation and pressure is so critical in getting the genocide to stop.

Because Israel won't suddenly decide to stop pushing further into Gaza and pushing the remaining refugees out of the region.

From what I can tell, it's just not going to happen without pressure from US, and for some reason we see Israel as far too valuable to risk or restructure.
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emblem-man posted...
He actually has a chance of winning this election. If he put actual sanctions on Israel, he would 100% lose the election.

What's your evidence on this? Independents do not approve of Israel's current approach in Gaza; only Republicans do.
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cjsdowg posted...
Is Trump was in Charge I foresee him publicly going after college students for protesting. Going after respected international agencies to defend a genocide, attacking our other allies that do not fall in line. I see him lying on stage about seeing dead babies, I see him devaluing the lives of some groups of people. I see his admin going after protesters. I see him using false claims of a antisemitism attack people who question the genocide, I see him and his lacky going after Democrats that say no more. All while giving them billions of dollars even bypassing congress to do so.

Seems about right ?

Then why go with him over Biden?
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Guide posted...


Then why go with him over Biden?

I am not going over him. I am saying they both suck the same amount on this. Also all those things were stuff that Biden did.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
What's your evidence on this? Independents do not approve of Israel's current approach in Gaza; only Republicans do.
Not approving of his current approach can both mean that they want him to do more or less aid.

And even if they wanted less aid, that's not the same as being fine with us imposing economic or military sanctions against Israel of all places.
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Biden wanting to allow for refugees and aid makes him 100% better than Trump who vocally states he despises these people and doesn't want to allow for these things as he murmurs about them being terrorists.
proof: literal video posted already

One can criticize Biden for what he has done, but to deny what Trump says as a means of criticizing Biden is strange to do. Also forgetting some good parts of Biden like allowing refugees which Trump is 100% opposed to.
Zero_Destroyer posted...
What's your evidence on this? Independents do not approve of Israel's current approach in Gaza; only Republicans do.
Hes correct.

The evidence is that low information voters arent going to reverse their stance because he changes his. If theymre even aware it happens at all.

The correlation of actual voters to people who support Israel is all you need to know to ubderstand this situation.

Biden may be a long term supporter of Israel but this is about the United States and keeping Trump the fuck out of power. Everything else is secondary.

And as you can see from the pier that Biden had the military put up in defiance of Israels objections he does care and has probably sent more aid to Gaza in the short time its been up than everyone else combined.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
What's your evidence on this? Independents do not approve of Israel's current approach in Gaza; only Republicans do.

I think people are massively misunderstanding these polls.

Not supporting what Israel is doing is not the same as fully cut funding and putting sanctions on Israel.
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WingsOfGood posted...
One can criticize Biden for what he has done, but to deny what Trump says as a means of criticizing Biden is strange to do.

Who is down playing what Trump says. I am pointing out Biden's literal actions.
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divot1338 posted...
this is about the United States and keeping Trump the fuck out of power. Everything else is secondary.

Biden apparently disagrees - he thinks keeping Trump the fuck out of power is secondary to continuing to support the Israeli regime no matter what.
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Shadow_Don posted...
I dont think it's a payop, I just think bibi is a huge fan of what you guys are doing.

I'm simply accurately stating what's going on. I don't think he's a fan of me accurately calling him a genocidal maniac who should be taken in chains before the Hague by the time I finish typing this. I have never told or suggested anyone not to vote for Biden. Anytime I've brought the subject up, I've reluctantly said to vote for him.

I think you and others deep down recognize that this is a truly evil thing Biden is doing and a fully valid reason not to vote for him, but you're scared of the consequences of admitting that and so you lash out.
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ellis123 posted...
So what exactly can I, as a completely average person, do? Go do a walk/protest like the ones at the collage campuses? Say that I'm not going to vote for Biden?
This is hinting at what underpins Kimberly's complaint though: the idea that Biden's policy toward Gaza is an arbitrary fact unchanging through time, that protests don't work and have never worked, that people speaking out or attempting to find any sort of lever or power is inherently doomed to fail. Like yeah, as a matter of fact, you CAN go to protests, you can donate to relief foundations or activist organizations. You should if you think this is an important issue.

Yes, you should strategically vote for Biden, but insisting on having only that conversation before primary season is even over (ostensibly the time to push for policy changes for the incumbent president) sucks.
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cjsdowg posted...
I am not going over him. I am saying they both suck the same amount on this. Also all those things were stuff that Biden did.

So the entire point of your argument was... that Biden is bad and Trump is also bad on this topic.

And it changes nothing about who you should vote for.

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cjsdowg posted...
I am saying they both suck the same amount on this.

I understand this is your opinion.
If they both do the same exact things except one of them brings in tons of refugees from Palestine, would you still says they both suck the same amount?
That would be something objectively different between them and undeniable.
legendary_zell posted...
you're scared of the consequences

No I'm just scared of the consequences of a trump presidency. Both for the people here and in Gaza. Its not super complicated.
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Guide posted...
So the entire point of your argument was... that Biden is bad and Trump is also bad on this topic.

And it changes nothing about who you should vote for.

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No my point is , I don't think people should act like Biden is better on this than Trump. In America Biden is way better in most places. But people shouldn't downplay what Biden is doing.
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Uhhh. Im scared of the consequences.

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Shadow_Don posted...
No I'm just scared of the consequences of a trump presidency. Both for the people here and in Gaza. Its not super complicated.

Yes, that's obviously the consequence I'm referring to. Those consequences wouldn't change the reality of what Biden's doing and its moral implications though. Some people are not going to be able to sign on to genocide, no matter what. Understand that.
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