Fortson was alone in his apartment when he heard a knock at the door. He asked who was there but didn't get a response. A few minutes later, there was a very aggressive knock on the door, Crump said in a statement, but Fortson didn't see anyone when he looked out the peephole.
The woman said Fortson was concerned and went to retrieve his gun, which Crump said was legally owned.
As Fortson walked back through his living room, deputies burst through the door, saw that Fortson was armed and shot him six times, according to Crump's statement
The fact cops aren't required to identify themselves as police is still insane to me.
Opening doors is how you get fucking got.
The fact cops aren't required to identify themselves as police is still insane to me.and if this man had shot the officer cus he feared for his life
Opening doors is how you get fucking got.
The fact cops aren't required to identify themselves as police is still insane to me.
Opening doors is how you get fucking got.
and if this man had shot the officer cus he feared for his lifeNah, if he had shot the officer, he'd still be dead
he would have been raked over the coals by our "legal" system
it's pretty much 100% bullshit that cops are not required to identify themselves when they bang on doors like this.I think they are required though. Too often it never happens. They need to be charged with some type of murder.
Title 18 U.S.C. 3109 states:
The officer may break open
any outer or inner door or
window of a house, or any
part of a house, or anything
therein, to execute a search
warrant, if, after notice of
his authority and purpose,
he is refused admittance or
when necessary to liberate
himself or a person aiding
him in the execution of the
warrant.
I think they are required though. Too often it never happens. They need to be charged with some type of murder.
Florida is one of two states in the United States that prohibits the issuance of no-knock warrants. This ban was originally issued in the 1994 Florida Supreme Court case of State v. Bamber and was later enacted by statute.This means that a judge cannot issue a search warrant that authorizes police to enter a residence without first announcing their presence.
edit: but that wouldn't apply here b/c they did knock. they did not identify themselves as police, though.To me that's just semantics. The point of knocking is to announce yourself imo. If you just knock and hide or don't respond when asked who is there, then you may as well not knocked
Right to bare arms in action.Expectation vs reality
I think about this every time I read a horrible story like this. They are so frequent now. How is it that police departments still havent figured this out when the need to identify has long been apparent?Because they're hyped up on warrior cop bullshit.
Here's something I found regarding my earlier post. I haven't independently verified though.i believe that only applies to federal law enforcement and not local swine
This shit could happen to me, man.Real.
Let's hope him being in the armed forces gets him some justice.Screw local courts, put those cops before a military court.
i believe that only applies to federal law enforcement and not local swineAhh, you're probably correct on that
Why would cops under any circumstance bang aggressively on a door, hide from the peep hole, and refuse to identify themselves before busting in someone's door? After the person asks who it is?So they dont get shot through the door, someone may open it if they dont know its the cops, and the perpetrator cant identify how many are there.
That's setting yourself up to be shot as the home owner defends themselves against an unknown threat. If all this is accurate it can't be proper protocol.
So they dont get shot through the door, someone may open it if they dont know its the cops, and the perpetrator cant identify how many are there.
Not defending it, my response is in post 31. Im just explaining.
That part makes sense and I've seen videos of cops covering up Ring cameras, but if they're actually going to come through the door?Unfortunately the disorientation is a frequent goal in police procedures. They dont want you calm and thinking clearly, they want you in a panic and unable to muster any practical resistance.
According to the people inside that could be anyone and would be terrifying causing a fight or flight situation.
Unfortunately the disorientation is a frequent goal in police procedures. They dont want you calm and thinking clearly, they want you in a panic and unable to muster any practical resistance.
But then you have people who have trained for that. Whether theyre active or ex military/LEO, firearm enthusiasts, used to a dangerous neighborhood, or red cap gun nuts. Thats when situations like this occur.
Again, no defense of the situation, just discussion. I think there needs to be sweeping reform for law enforcement, and would support disarming the average cop (and keeping citizens armed).
It still doesn't make sense to me how they'd think it's any safer to act like a ding dong ditcher when someone asks who it is before busting their door down.Like you said, ding dong ditcher. Home invasions rarely start like that. Its usually pranks orwell, cops. Also most people who own weapons are still too sheltered to have that training or thought process. Theyre not actually prepared to need to use them. Thats why theres hundreds of millions of guns in a country with hundreds of thousands of daily front door deliveries and only ~20,000-30,000 or so gun homicides a year with maybe a few dozen being scenarios of wrong address.
I'd think most people with weapons, whether they're guilty of a crime or not, would be prepared to defend themselves from an unknown intruder.
The video was released just now(30 minutes ago ). Police statement is he was at the correct unit. I havent watched the bodycam yet. Supposedly, on the video, he talks to a woman in the complex who says the unit is 1401 and theres a disturbance sounds like a DV, and heard like a slap. This is all from the news article not me
On camera, 1401 is clearly visible. He knocks and announces himself as police twice. The airmen opens the door with a gun in his hand and is shot. I guess theres a lot of confusion about wtf happened here. Again, all on the article not me
My thing from the video comments, is he didnt issue any verbal commands before shooting. And if hes responding to what sounds like a domestic, where is his back. Shouldnt be going to that alone
How is it fucking legal for the police to just execute someone for holding a completely legal firearm?
I saw the video too. The officer did announce himself. The guy opens the door with a gun pointed at the floor directly down and holding his other hand up in a kind of take it easy gesture. It didnt look like he was posing a threat even with the gun in his hand. The cop opens fire immediately.
It looks bad on the cop and is a really sad set of events.
I'll never get over the fact that civilians are held to higher fucking standards than police.This is the same department that started shooting when acorns dropped. There are no standards
Hell, PTSD riddled soldiers are held to higher fucking standards in war. The ones who might have an actual fucking reason to be jumpy on the trigger.
the only way this will EVER change is if we start paying for these lawsuits from the police pension funds instead of with taxpayer money. or maybe cops should be required to carry liability insurance, similar to doctors.