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Prosecution done with witness testimony for the day
The prosecution is finished with witness testimony for today. Judge Juan Merchan is now addressing the jury.
As Merchan read his lengthy instructions to the jury about avoiding news coverage and discussing the case, Trump was in a full conversation with Bove.
Merchan paused and said to them, "You done?"
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mystic_belmont posted...
Trump's lawyers are trying to use Daniels taunting Trump to argue for a mistrial. It'll fail, again.

Former Trump attorney says Stormy Daniels tweet is grounds for a mistrial

Former Trump attorney William Brennan criticized Stormy Daniels on CNN today for "taunting the defendant" on social media, and called her actions "grounds for a mistrial."

Daniels, who testified on Thursday about her alleged sexual encounter in 2006 with the former president, seemingly disparaged Trump on X later that evening: "Real men respond to testimony by being sworn in and taking the stand in court," she wrote. "Oh...wait. Nevermind."

Trump on Thursday afternoon had asked Judge Juan Merchan to alter the gag order to allow him to respond publicly to Daniels' testimony. The judge denied the motion.

i dunno if his lawyers have actually filed any motion for a mistrial over this, maybe theyll hold off until monday as they've already had enough embarassment this week
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TomClark posted...
Bold of them to assume Trump will even remember their name by the Autumn.
This is the wildest thing to me. The most terminally unreliable client anyone has ever seen, AND they have never been paid yet.

He's lost the popular vote twice this seems like the worst possible gamble I've ever seen.
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LearntoRead posted...
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Beat me to it, haha
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Defense is wanting Prosecution to order Cohen to shut the fuck up about the case, which they've done so repeatedly but can't actually control what he does

Hopefully him ranting on TikTok lives lately won't fuck the case up at all
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Thanks. That was definitely what I was trying to reference, but I just couldn't place it to get the exact quote. My mind kept going to Harvey Birdman.
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CableZL posted...
Trump's lawyer said in opening arguments that they would prove it wasn't a reimbursement

Sooooo uhhhhhhh....

In before the defense claims the covfefe boy posted that tweet on Trump's account without Trump's permission.

littlebro07 posted...
Defense is wanting Prosecution to order Cohen to shut the fuck up about the case, which they've done so repeatedly but can't actually control what he does

Hopefully him ranting on TikTok lives lately won't fuck the case up at all

I wish he and Stormy would stfu until the trial's over.
Yeah they both need to fucking stop. The Fani Willis nonsense is another unforced error, people need to stop this.
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I wouldn't mind if the judge put a gag order on all parties involved
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CableZL posted...
I wouldn't mind if the judge put a gag order on all parties involved

Agreed. Sniping on social media and media tours can wait until after the trial. Quit tainting the jury pool.
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littlebro07 posted...
Hopefully him ranting on TikTok lives lately won't fuck the case up at all
The jurors were instructed to not do shit like look up case info on tiktok so theoretically it shouldn't matter but they really need to stop.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Alucard188 posted...
Agreed. Sniping on social media and media tours can wait until after the trial. Quit tainting the jury pool.

Bingo bango. All I care about it justice. I don't care what Blanche had for breakfast or what he thinks of Daniels
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ClayGuida posted...
Eh, the RNC is vowing to pay all his legal bills, so they're getting paid.


poor rudy. he's still sitting there watching them hand out checks to everybody else while he's still waiting for his $2 million

he's like a neglected old dusty old fan that just stares at you gawking while you clean everything else in the bedroom around it and just keep the thing running.
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In slightly unrelated but uplifting news, the California federal judge that dismissed the indictments for a couple white supremacists was reassigned from a different case that was causing the Ninth Circuit grief. There's a decent chance that the same may happen again for the white supremacists' case.
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I thought anyone involved in a trial was not allowed to talk about the case until it ends (well, except for news media, court reporters, which could relay facts about the trial, but not give an opinion on either side?)

Either way, I would approve of a universal gag order. This is too important of a trial to have it stained by outside complications.
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Deyestus posted...
I thought anyone involved in a trial was not allowed to talk about the case until it ends (well, except for news media, court reporters, which could relay facts about the trial, but not give an opinion on either side?)

Either way, I would approve of a universal gag order. This is too important of a trial to have it stained by outside complications.

A universal gag order would be great.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Deyestus posted...
I thought anyone involved in a trial was not allowed to talk about the case until it ends (well, except for news media, court reporters, which could relay facts about the trial, but not give an opinion on either side?)

Either way, I would approve of a universal gag order. This is too important of a trial to have it stained by outside complications.

jurors aren't allowed to discuss it. anyone else can, but 99.9% of the time lawyers will tell their clients not to say anything.
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thronedfire2 posted...
jurors aren't allowed to discuss it. anyone else can, but 99.9% of the time lawyers will tell their clients not to say anything.
100% of them say that. It's just that only 99.9% of the clients actually listen.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
100% of them say that. It's just that only 99.9% of the clients actually listen.

Yeah. It's not that Donnie CAN'T talk about it, it's just he can't attach jurors, witnesses, court staff, etc...
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
Heineken14 posted...
Yeah. It's not that Donnie CAN'T talk about it, it's just he can't attach jurors, witnesses, court staff, etc...
And he's incapable of talking about the trial without doing that. He's also incapable of heeding sound legal advice.
Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice.
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Gotta bring up that quote of his about attacking others.
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I'm hoping Trump's next trial includes a pre-emptive gag order, and with his history, skipping all fines.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
100% of them say that. It's just that only 99.9% of the clients actually listen.

lol, true

he'll talk shit on social media but he's never going to testify under oath
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Violation of the gag order by proxy. Trump had Habba attack Stormy a couple days ago and now Pirro and Trump Campaign Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt attack witnesses. He keeps on doing this.
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And he won't ever stop.

Fuck with the media has to say, fuck what his sycophants will inevitably do anyway, put his orange disgusting rat ass in jail to stew. 10+ violations is enough.
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He's doing this because he wins either way. If the slaps on the wrist continue it looks like the judge is too scared to actually punish him. If he actually gets punished, it makes his unfair persecution claims seem more valid to his nut job voting base.
Kai_Laguna posted...
He's doing this because he wins either way. If the slaps on the wrist continue it looks like the judge is too scared to actually punish him. If he actually gets punished, it makes his unfair persecution claims seem more valid to his nut job voting base.
He doesnt win if he is convicted and gets to stay in jail.
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Kai_Laguna posted...
He's doing this because he wins either way. If the slaps on the wrist continue it looks like the judge is too scared to actually punish him. If he actually gets punished, it makes his unfair persecution claims seem more valid to his nut job voting base.

Eh, I wouldn't consider the latter a win though.

I think Trump actually dreads the idea of going to a real-life jail and is just bluffing hoping the judge is too chickenshit to actually go through with it.

That man has never had to face any real consequences his entire life so I'd imagine he would not be mentally prepared to handle jail
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I think Trump actually dreads the idea of going to a real-life jail and is just bluffing hoping the judge is too chickenshit to actually go through with it.

And unfortunately he's right as Merchan has already demonstrated that with his asinine "you're the former POTUS, you may be POTUS again, I really don't want to put you in jail".

It's like playing poker with your hand turned backwards so everybody can see the cards you have.

He lost all leverage when he made that statement.
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Kradek posted...
And unfortunately he's right as Merchan has already demonstrated that with his asinine "you're the former POTUS, you may be POTUS again, I really don't want to put you in jail".

It's like playing poker with your hand turned backwards so everybody can see the cards you have.

He lost all leverage when he made that statement.
Any defendant who hears a judge say that and thinks for a second that theres no way they go to jail is a fool.
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Kradek posted...
And unfortunately he's right as Merchan has already demonstrated that with his asinine "you're the former POTUS, you may be POTUS again, I really don't want to put you in jail".

It's like playing poker with your hand turned backwards so everybody can see the cards you have.

He lost all leverage when he made that statement.
Maybe a new trial might be preferable so we can get a new judge and a jury that doesn't have a MAGA plant in it.
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I mean I get the hesitation to a certain extent. This case is unprecedented, with long-term ramifications for the United States as a whole, and nobody wants to be the first person to put a former/current President behind bars since there's not an established way to really deal with that.

All that being said, Donald Trump is about as belligerent a defendant as one can get, with him constantly testing the waters of what he's allowed to get away with. Fining him isn't working. Simply "threatening" him with jail time isn't working. The clear answer is to actually just throw him jail and force him to shut up because it's clear he's using the court of public opinion to make this case as chaotic as possible.
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Just put him in a separate room with a screen to watch the trial and a headset to communicate with his defense team.
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RSmit posted...
Just put him in a separate room with a screen to watch the trial and a headset to communicate with his defense team.
So you want them to weight the case in favor of the defense?
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divot1338 posted...
So you want them to weight the case in favor of the defense?

No, I was talking about him influencing the witnesses and the jury while he's in the same room.

I just didn't take the violating the gag order consequences into account. My bad, in retrospect it does look like I want that, which is as far from the truth as it can be.
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He has to go to jail sometime this week. Trump clearly once again is violating the gag order. Even the former prosecutor I follow said previously if Trump violates the gag order again and no jail time comes out of it, then "the rule of law is dead in this country."
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RSmit posted...
No, I was talking about him influencing the witnesses and the jury while he's in the same room.

I just didn't take the violating the gag order consequences into account. My bad, in retrospect it does look like I want that, which is as far from the truth as it can be.
Its definitely a problem either way. Which is why Trump is doing it and also why Judge Merchan says things like I dont want to put you in jail.

But he knows he has to let it all play out while letting Trump expose himself to the jury [not like that] AND protecting that same jury.

Trump has to be allowed to hang himself here.
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divot1338 posted...
Trump has to be allowed to hang himself here.

Would him taking the stand do the trick?
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RSmit posted...
Would him taking the stand do the trick?
That would definitely put him over the top. But this is a criminal trial not one of his plethora of civil cases.

His fat ass has to sit there every day, not disrupting the court.

During covid it was different but he cant just be pushed out into another room without the jury getting the wrong idea. They have to see the misbehavior. And the failure of the judges attempts to stop it.

Then you throw him in the clink when hes not in court.
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divot1338 posted...
They have to see the misbehavior. And the failure of the judges attempts to stop it.

Then you throw him in the clink when hes not in court.

That's something I'd like to see happen but I wouldn't bet on it. Merchan clearly doesn't want to do it, for one reason or the other, but even his patience could have an end.
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It's possible Merchan puts him in jail during or after the trial.

I do see him initially being held during breaks, and if he continues, being jail for two days. Then each violation above that is more time.
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divot1338 posted...
Any defendant who hears a judge say that and thinks for a second that theres no way they go to jail is a fool.

My guy, you and I both have seen how ridiculously lenient the judicial system has been to Donald Trump. Even before he was POTUS he skated by on being a rich white male, post Presidency it's that x100. The only fools are those who think Trump will be held to the same standards as anybody else when we've literally already seen that's not the case.

I'm hoping Merchan finds his spine and ends Trump's bullshit, however even Chutkan has given Trump leniency I doubt she'd give anyone else.

nocturnal_traveler posted...
Maybe a new trial might be preferable so we can get a new judge and a jury that doesn't have a MAGA plant in it.

I dunno, Merchan has been one of the most fair judges Trump has had, he's just starting to drop the ball now that Trump's trying to call his bluff on jailing him. Yeah it's ridiculous that a dude who only gets their news from Trump Social and Twitter is on the jury, that does worry me. I guess all we can do is hope they have some sort of integrity.
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https://apnews.com/article/trump-tax-losses-audit-election-chicago-skyscraper-47729a0758e6b54aa06c075fc49c5c53

Former President Donald Trump may face an IRS bill in excess of $100 million after a government audit indicates he double-dipped on tax losses tied to a Chicago skyscraper, according to a report by The New York Times and ProPublica that drew on a yearslong audit and public filings.

The tax records cited by the report indicate that Trump twice deducted losses on the Trump International Hotel and Tower, which opened in 2009 near the banks of the Chicago River that cuts through that citys downtown.

The report said Trump initially reported losses of $658 million in his 2008 filings under the premise that the property fit the IRS definition of being worthless because condominium sales were disappointing and retail space went unfilled amid a deep U.S. recession.

But in 2010, the published report said, Trump transferred the ownership of the property to a different holding company that he also controlled, using the move to save money on taxes by reporting an additional $168 million in losses over the next decade on the same property.

Seriously, when is the IRS going to start charging this asshole for fraud?
mystic_belmont posted...
It's possible Merchan puts him in jail during or after the trial.

I do see him initially being held during breaks, and if he continues, being jail for two days. Then each violation above that is more time.

Sure. It's also possible I win the Powerball and start dating supermodels.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
Kradek posted...
My guy, you and I both have seen how ridiculously lenient the judicial system has been to Donald Trump. Even before he was POTUS he skated by on being a rich white male, post Presidency it's that x100. The only fools are those who think Trump will be held to the same standards as anybody else when we've literally already seen that's not the case.

I'm hoping Merchan finds his spine and ends Trump's bullshit, however even Chutkan has given Trump leniency I doubt she'd give anyone else.

I dunno, Merchan has been one of the most fair judges Trump has had, he's just starting to drop the ball now that Trump's trying to call his bluff on jailing him. Yeah it's ridiculous that a dude who only gets their news from Trump Social and Twitter is on the jury, that does worry me. I guess all we can do is hope they have some sort of integrity.

I don't think he's dropping the ball on jailing him. I think he's ready to do it even if it's just locking him in a room for a few hours.
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darkace77450 posted...
Seriously, when is the IRS going to start charging this asshole for fraud?

It's stuff like that which is why the GOP was sooooo against Biden's hiring of "80000 new IRS employees."
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
Heineken14 posted...
It's stuff like that which is why the GOP was sooooo against Biden's hiring of "80000 new IRS employees."
Exactly. They don't need IRS agents to go after you and I, like the GOP kept squawking. It's to go after the ultra rich than can afford lawyers to concoct complex schemes and fight hard against the government trying to hold them accountable.

And that's why it's so clear that Republicans don't give a shit about the budget, because the IRS makes more money than they spend.

By mapping audit costs and returns across the income spectrum, he continued, We saw very clear evidence that the return from audits at the top of the income distribution really exceeded by quite a bit the returns at the bottom of the income distribution. With the top 10 percent of earners, they found, audits have the potential to return more than $12 for each $1 spent.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/07/turns-out-irs-audits-of-wealthy-offer-terrific-return-on-investment-for-taxpayers/
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Hiring more IRS agents lets them actually go after the rich. Having a bigger budget means instead of targeting the poor, who lack the resources to fight and thus are an easy target, they can go after those with deep pockets.

Also, there is a pretty good ROI from the IRS.
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