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loafy013 posted...
Boy, that chart looks terrible. But I have to ask, is there a reason there is no information for 2010-2013 and 2015-2022? Because it seems to me like they cherry picked those dates to get a low number to make the current atrocities look even worse by comparison.
Others have already answered, but only the Gaza wars are pictured. There have been deadly attacks and rocket strikes in the years between those dates but no invasion and open warfare.

This is a useful tool that shows statistics on casualties in the conflict from 2008 to 2023, and allows you to filter between civilian/military and Israeli/Palestinian. Though this data does not yet include statistics from Oct 7 and the invasion, it does show that the casualties peaked in the previous wars and that the time between them was far less deadly:

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
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Lets be honest with ourselves, anyone abstaining doesnt actually care about Palastinians, they dont care about women, they dont care about immigrants fleeing war torn countries and cartel violence, and they dont care about LGQBT+

they can prattle on, dodge the questions we ask them while simultaneously having their arguments shredded time and time again.

at the end of the day they are wrong.
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1337toothbrush posted...
Nobody is saying that trump winning would result in a better outcome for Palestinians. Your question is based on a false premise in the first place.
Well, for the MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, its the guaranteed outcome if nobody votes for Biden. There is no scenario where None of the above wins. It doesnt happen. Put it out of your mind. So stop bringing up BUT GENOCIDE like its a fucking Yu-Gi-Oh trap card, because in the end, you dont actually care. You just want an excuse to sit on your high horse and pretend youre above it all.
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McMarbles posted...
Well, for the MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, its the guaranteed outcome if nobody votes for Biden. There is no scenario where None of the above wins. It doesnt happen. Put it out of your mind. So stop bringing up BUT GENOCIDE like its a fucking Yu-Gi-Oh trap card, because in the end, you dont actually care. You just want an excuse to sit on your high horse and pretend youre above it all.

So what is your suggestion to try to stop what is going on over there ?
Biden is the greatest President ever.
cjsdowg posted...
So what is your suggestion to try to stop what is going on over there ?

Democrat progressive Congress withholds purse strings for Israel like MAGA did for Ukraine.
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bfslick50 posted...
Democrat progressive Congress withholds purse strings for Israel like MAGA did for Ukraine.
They passed a bipartisan bill to fund Israel.
One of the points of the argument is that the abstainers are completely okay with Biden losing and Trump winning in the event Biden never changes his policy because "that's how democracy works."

Which means the abstainers think Trump is an acceptable alternative to Biden and are okay with the horrible things he said he will do to women, minority groups in the US, Palestine, Ukraine and the rest of Europe. The crackdown on protesting will be even worse under a Trump presidency too so good luck with that.
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it's pretty sad how low the bar is.
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
One of the points of the argument is that the abstainers are completely okay with Biden losing and Trump winning in the event Biden never changes his policy because "that's how democracy works."

Which means the abstainers think Trump is an acceptable alternative to Biden and are okay with the horrible things he said he will do to women, minority groups in the US, Palestine, Ukraine and the rest of Europe. The crackdown on protesting will be even worse under a Trump presidency too so good luck with that.

So what is your solution since the current admin have been attacking peaceful protesters.
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cjsdowg posted...
So what is your solution since the current admin have been attacking peaceful protesters.
Let Trump win so he can make it illegal for protests to occur, punishable by firing squads like he said he would. Is that the answer you want?

You just completely sidestep everything for whataboutism. I get you're okay with a second Trump term because it won't affect you one bit. I'd admire it more if you just admitted it.
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hockeybabe89 posted...
And we have agency and need to vote against the GOP because it's better for all us, not because of who or what Biden is.
There you go again changing the subject from what biden can do.
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cjsdowg posted...
So what is your solution since the current admin have been attacking peaceful protesters.

Where have federal officers been sent to attack peaceful protesters?
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1337toothbrush posted...
It's that trump wouldn't do better, but that's irrelevant because if you haven't noticed, biden is the president and the one who can actually do something about it right now. You're just unable to understand such an obvious and simple answer that's been in front of you the whole time because you're not sincere in your question.

It's an election year, not voting and social unrest protest camping are the only options to scare Biden into sanctioning Isreal. We get it, you've been heard loud and clear. Sanctioning Isreal might also carry a worse effect as far as politics at home and how our enemies abroad respond. But losing this game of chicken to a second Trump term and all the horror that a project 2025 brings with it seems extremely foolhardy.
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Let Trump win so he can make it illegal for protests to occur, punishable by firing squads like he said he would. Is that the answer you want?

You just completely sidestep everything for whataboutism. I get you're okay with a second Trump term because it won't affect you one bit. I'd admire it more if you just admitted it.

  1. That isn't what Whataboutism is.
  2. You did not address the question at all.
  3. What y'all are doing is closer to whataboutism .
  4. I am black man with a disability, who job is literally working with the poorest people in America. My life would be impacted far more than yours.
With that stated back to my question. What do you suggest we do to make things better.
Biden is the greatest President ever.
justaguy3492 posted...


Where have federal officers been sent to attack peaceful protesters?

His admin as liken to them to the Literal Nazis at Charolettesville, other dems have suggest they were being pushed by Russia and China, they have said they were racist ect.
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justaguy3492 posted...
Where have federal officers been sent to attack peaceful protesters?

He's a known liar. He constantly blames the actions of republicans on biden. Even goes as far as blaming Roe and lgbt people losing rights on biden.
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Shadow_Don posted...
Even goes as far as blaming Roe and lgbt people losing rights on biden.

That was weird, yeah.
Nok_Su_Kow posted...
It's an election year, not voting and social unrest protest camping are the only options to scare Biden into sanctioning Isreal. We get it, you've been heard loud and clear. Sanctioning Isreal might also carry a worse effect as far as politics at home and how our enemies abroad respond. But losing this game of chicken to a second Trump term and all the horror that a project 2025 brings with it seems extremely foolhardy.
I don't think you do get it. Clearly biden and the democrats don't consider a trump term or project 2025 all that bad because they'd rather risk that happening than to stop supporting genocide. It's mindbogglingly stupid that they refuse to take on this obvious win-win of stopping genocide and getting voter support.

Our enemies see US support for genocide and can point to it as justification for their own horrific acts. It's extremely hypocritical of the US to have been thumping on and on about how moral they are in their support for Ukraine, but to then turn around and support genocide in Palestine. It makes it look like morality wasn't the reason for it at all, which affects voters' perceptions at home since that has been the main selling point made by politicians for use of the US military budget abroad.
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cjsdowg posted...
His admin as liken to them to the Literal Nazis at Charolettesville, other dems have suggest they were being pushed by Russia and China, they have said they were racist ect.
So you made shit up.
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ButteryMales posted...
They passed a bipartisan bill to fund Israel.

They also passed a bipartisan Ukraine bill. Get more MAGAs in there and Ukraine will be in more trouble. Get more progressives in there and Israel could also face consequences. But you're dodging the issue. A progressive Congress may not be a perfect unstoppable plan but it's certainly better than not voting. A progressive Congress has a chance at helping whereas not voting is just giving up. How can not voting lead to things getting better? What is your alternative plan to make things better?
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bfslick50 posted...
They also passed a bipartisan Ukraine bill. Get more MAGAs in there and Ukraine will be in more trouble. Get more progressives in there and Israel could also face consequences. But you're dodging the issue. A progressive Congress may not be a perfect unstoppable plan but it's certainly better than not voting. A progressive Congress has a chance at helping whereas not voting is just giving up. How can not voting lead to things getting better? What is your alternative plan to make things better?
My plan has been vote democrat and abstain from voting for a president. We can't count on any Democrat to be progressive but at least have a better chance they won't put Republican judges up to vote.
1337toothbrush posted...
I don't think you do get it. Clearly biden and the democrats don't consider a trump term or project 2025 all that bad because they'd rather risk that happening than to stop supporting genocide. It's mindbogglingly stupid that they refuse to take on this obvious win-win of stopping genocide and getting voter support.

Our enemies see US support for genocide and can point to it as justification for their own horrific acts. It's extremely hypocritical of the US to have been thumping on and on about how moral they are in their support for Ukraine, but to then turn around and support genocide in Palestine. It makes it look like morality wasn't the reason for it at all, which affects voters' perceptions at home since that has been the main selling point made by politicians for use of the US military budget abroad.

Such a disingenuous take.
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I love how no one is considering the large number of pro-Israel voters who would turn on Biden if Biden flipped on this issue.

It's not like ever Democrat voter is on one side of this issue
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1337toothbrush posted...
Clearly biden and the democrats don't consider a trump term or project 2025 all that bad because they'd rather risk that happening than to stop supporting genocide. It's mindbogglingly stupid that they refuse to take on this obvious win-win of stopping genocide and getting voter support.

I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.

Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.

I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.

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McMarbles posted...
So you made shit up.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nancy-pelosi-gaza-ceasefire-russia-palestine-b2486619.html

https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/30/nancy-pelosi-go-back-to-china-protest-code-pink/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jewish-democrat-compares-columbia-protesters-white-nationalists-charlottesville-same-message

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1719140783377232028
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Euripides posted...
I love how no one is considering the large number of pro-Israel voters who would turn on Biden if Biden flipped on this issue.
Is there actually any polling of people who would abstain or vote Trump if Biden stopped providing weapons to Israel?
cjsdowg posted...
https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/30/nancy-pelosi-go-back-to-china-protest-code-pink/

Lmfao this one must of hit a nerve with you if you're quoting months old shit

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cjsdowg posted...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nancy-pelosi-gaza-ceasefire-russia-palestine-b2486619.html

https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/30/nancy-pelosi-go-back-to-china-protest-code-pink/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jewish-democrat-compares-columbia-protesters-white-nationalists-charlottesville-same-message

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1719140783377232028
You said federal officers were sent to attack students. You dont get to backtrack and say I meant that politicians attacked them verbally you disingenuous ass.
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Cemith posted...
I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.

Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.

I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.
Why do you think the religious right is voting for Biden in the first place? The religious left would be voting for Biden which means they believe in Jesus's teachings of taking care of the sick, poor, and or the hungry.
Cemith posted...
I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.

Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.

I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.

Ninja'd :/

What religious right, apocalypse seeking voter is voting for Biden? Whereas, I know a lot of people who are disgusted by Biden's policy on the left and center left. There's losses for each side, yes, but the losses are not at all equal or proportional.
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So let's follow this McMarbles

Me: His admin as liken to them to the Literal Nazis at Charolettesville, other dems have suggest they were being pushed by Russia and China, they have said they were racist ect.

You: So you made shit up.

So I supported my claim and you still find a way to try to attack .. just no. You were wrong . Be an adult about it .
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cjsdowg posted...
So let's follow this..

So I supported my claim and you still find a way to try to attack .. just no. You were wrong . Be an adult about it .
Yes, you backtracked and something that was not your original claim, what of it?
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legendary_zell posted...
What religious right, apocalypse seeking voter is voting for Biden? Whereas, I know a lot of people who are disgusted by Biden's policy on the left and center left. There's losses for each side, yes, but the losses are not at all equal or proportional.

Believe it or not, there are religious folks that believe that Trump isn't very good. But you better fucking believe that they think Israel's "retaliatory" actions are completely justified because of the Hamas attack.

Trump voters are voting for Trump no matter what happens. We're referring to fence sitting voters. And more specifically, abstainers.
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McMarbles posted...
Yes, you backtracked and something that was not your original claim, what of it?

I backed tracked no where . You said I made something up. I supported everything thing I said in that post. I did not make up any place. You didn't know I will back up the very statements you said I made up and now you are doing this bullshit that is fucking shameful .
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ButteryMales posted...
Is there actually any polling of people who would abstain or vote Trump if Biden stopped providing weapons to Israel?


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The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine
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ButteryMales posted...
Why do you think the religious right is voting for Biden in the first place? The religious left would be voting for Biden which means they believe in Jesus's teachings of taking care of the sick, poor, and or the hungry.


legendary_zell posted...
What religious right, apocalypse seeking voter is voting for Biden? Whereas, I know a lot of people who are disgusted by Biden's policy on the left and center left. There's losses for each side, yes, but the losses are not at all equal or proportional.

I don't think Biden is going after the religious right vote, but he is trying to woo Haley suppoters which do include quite a number of neocons who support Israel but are unhappy about Trump's America First policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/06/biden-presidential-campaign-haley-voters-republican-moderates
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Cemith posted...
Believe it or not, there are religious folks that believe that Trump isn't very good. But you better fucking believe that they think Israel's "retaliatory" actions are completely justified because of the Hamas attack.

Trump voters are voting for Trump no matter what happens. We're referring to fence sitting voters. And more specifically, abstainers.


But we're talking about the religious right though. I don't think there's any evidence there's a large group of voters who are religious right AND think Israel is the holy land AND can't do anything wrong AND that Trump isn't good AND would consider voting for Biden.

But we KNOW that there's lots of people on the left who are disgusted by Israel's actions and our facilitation of them. It seems like Democrats are constantly bending over backwards to compromise themselves and do the wrong thing to get the awful people on side.
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Euripides posted...
I love how no one is considering the large number of pro-Israel voters who would turn on Biden if Biden flipped on this issue.

It's not like ever Democrat voter is on one side of this issue

Cemith posted...
I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.

Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.

I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
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1337toothbrush posted...
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

Dope. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Hornezz posted...
As for AIPAC: no doubt it's a powerful lobby group but this idea that they single handedly decide who becomes the US president is a wild hyperbole and gets uncomfortably close to conspiracy theories that shouldn't have a place in this debate.
If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions, then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?
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All I know is that you have to have completely screwed morals if you have the lever at your hands in the OP and you go "They shouldn't have tied anyone to the tracks. I'm not responsible for killing those people."

You're right! But you could still determine how many will be saved because you care about innocent people and won't let them suffer just because you worry it will make you look like you support those who tie innocent people to tracks.

Would you rather save lives or give a finger to the people who endanger lives?
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hockeybabe89 posted...
If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions, then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?
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1337toothbrush posted...
There you go again changing the subject from what biden can do.
I don't give a fucking shit about Biden! He is completely irrelevant to why I am going to the polls.

I can't tell you what Biden can change because I can't believe the existence of the GOP and sheer terror isn't enough to motivate everyone to vote for literally whatever is running against them. I cannot comprehend needing extra motivation.

And don't say anything about the Democrats because I don't think they are taking the existential threat of the GOP anywhere as seriously as they should be. Those limp-wristed liberals still largely think America works like it did pre-2016.
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Euripides posted...
The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine
Yet only 27% of them want Biden to take Israel's side, and that number is even lower for his own voters. These numbers show a strong majority of Dems and Independents want the US to take a neutral stance but Biden is sending billions worth of weapons to Israel instead.

These numbers do not support your claim that pro-Israel voters would turn on him at all.

75% of Dems, 60% of Independents disapprove of Israel's action in Gaza:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

More specifically, this poll includes numbers on Biden's handling: 60% of non-white Dems disapprove, and 70% of Dems under the age of 45 (remember, these are the groups most likely to stay home!)
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Half of Biden's voters believe Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1

Cemith posted...
Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.
You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters. That Trump's fascism should be enough to convince voters. That protesters should just accept that genocide is inevitable and vote anyway.

Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.
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Hornezz posted...
Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.
It is valid. I would tell those people even harder to shut the fuck up and vote against Trump.

And you guys need to stop mentioning threats like there are invisible quotes around the word, or that it's something the Democrats are making up to scare voters.
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hockeybabe89 posted...
If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions,
Yes.
69% of all Israeli weapon imports come from the US:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

"Thats an extraordinary number of sales over the course of a pretty short amount of time, which really strongly suggests that the Israeli campaign would not be sustainable without this level of U.S. support "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/06/us-weapons-israel-gaza/

then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?
I think you're misreading my post. I wasn't the one who claimed "AIPAC would bury him". I'm disagreeing with that claim.
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Hornezz posted...
You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters.

I didn't say he didn't need to. I said he shouldn't have to, because -

hockeybabe89 posted...
I can't tell you what Biden can change because I can't believe the existence of the GOP and sheer terror isn't enough to motivate everyone to vote for literally whatever is running against them. I cannot comprehend needing extra motivation.


Hornezz posted...
Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.

Trump's fascism doesn't go away because of Israel. Harsh truths don't become less harsh because people don't like hearing them. If Biden was a day old ham sandwich I would vote for him over Trump. Biden is just the Democrat that will be running against him in 2024, so that's how I'm voting.
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Bernie Sanders was on NPR saying that a lot of his colleagues don't speak up because of the immense influence AIPAC and other groups hold over them. I dunno how much influence that equates to but I assume it's a lot if he's saying it.
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this was a rough read. you're literally pleading with people to read what you are actually saying (and notably not even espousing), and they just keep insulting you and saying the same thing over and over again

you are one of the most earnest, sincere posters on this board, and they're calling you a liar, and that you're pretending to care about these things

this was just brutal to read, for pages
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