Boy, that chart looks terrible. But I have to ask, is there a reason there is no information for 2010-2013 and 2015-2022? Because it seems to me like they cherry picked those dates to get a low number to make the current atrocities look even worse by comparison.Others have already answered, but only the Gaza wars are pictured. There have been deadly attacks and rocket strikes in the years between those dates but no invasion and open warfare.
Nobody is saying that trump winning would result in a better outcome for Palestinians. Your question is based on a false premise in the first place.Well, for the MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, its the guaranteed outcome if nobody votes for Biden. There is no scenario where None of the above wins. It doesnt happen. Put it out of your mind. So stop bringing up BUT GENOCIDE like its a fucking Yu-Gi-Oh trap card, because in the end, you dont actually care. You just want an excuse to sit on your high horse and pretend youre above it all.
Well, for the MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, its the guaranteed outcome if nobody votes for Biden. There is no scenario where None of the above wins. It doesnt happen. Put it out of your mind. So stop bringing up BUT GENOCIDE like its a fucking Yu-Gi-Oh trap card, because in the end, you dont actually care. You just want an excuse to sit on your high horse and pretend youre above it all.
So what is your suggestion to try to stop what is going on over there ?
Democrat progressive Congress withholds purse strings for Israel like MAGA did for Ukraine.They passed a bipartisan bill to fund Israel.
One of the points of the argument is that the abstainers are completely okay with Biden losing and Trump winning in the event Biden never changes his policy because "that's how democracy works."
Which means the abstainers think Trump is an acceptable alternative to Biden and are okay with the horrible things he said he will do to women, minority groups in the US, Palestine, Ukraine and the rest of Europe. The crackdown on protesting will be even worse under a Trump presidency too so good luck with that.
So what is your solution since the current admin have been attacking peaceful protesters.Let Trump win so he can make it illegal for protests to occur, punishable by firing squads like he said he would. Is that the answer you want?
And we have agency and need to vote against the GOP because it's better for all us, not because of who or what Biden is.There you go again changing the subject from what biden can do.
So what is your solution since the current admin have been attacking peaceful protesters.
It's that trump wouldn't do better, but that's irrelevant because if you haven't noticed, biden is the president and the one who can actually do something about it right now. You're just unable to understand such an obvious and simple answer that's been in front of you the whole time because you're not sincere in your question.
Let Trump win so he can make it illegal for protests to occur, punishable by firing squads like he said he would. Is that the answer you want?
You just completely sidestep everything for whataboutism. I get you're okay with a second Trump term because it won't affect you one bit. I'd admire it more if you just admitted it.
Where have federal officers been sent to attack peaceful protesters?
Where have federal officers been sent to attack peaceful protesters?
Even goes as far as blaming Roe and lgbt people losing rights on biden.
It's an election year, not voting and social unrest protest camping are the only options to scare Biden into sanctioning Isreal. We get it, you've been heard loud and clear. Sanctioning Isreal might also carry a worse effect as far as politics at home and how our enemies abroad respond. But losing this game of chicken to a second Trump term and all the horror that a project 2025 brings with it seems extremely foolhardy.I don't think you do get it. Clearly biden and the democrats don't consider a trump term or project 2025 all that bad because they'd rather risk that happening than to stop supporting genocide. It's mindbogglingly stupid that they refuse to take on this obvious win-win of stopping genocide and getting voter support.
His admin as liken to them to the Literal Nazis at Charolettesville, other dems have suggest they were being pushed by Russia and China, they have said they were racist ect.So you made shit up.
They passed a bipartisan bill to fund Israel.
They also passed a bipartisan Ukraine bill. Get more MAGAs in there and Ukraine will be in more trouble. Get more progressives in there and Israel could also face consequences. But you're dodging the issue. A progressive Congress may not be a perfect unstoppable plan but it's certainly better than not voting. A progressive Congress has a chance at helping whereas not voting is just giving up. How can not voting lead to things getting better? What is your alternative plan to make things better?My plan has been vote democrat and abstain from voting for a president. We can't count on any Democrat to be progressive but at least have a better chance they won't put Republican judges up to vote.
I don't think you do get it. Clearly biden and the democrats don't consider a trump term or project 2025 all that bad because they'd rather risk that happening than to stop supporting genocide. It's mindbogglingly stupid that they refuse to take on this obvious win-win of stopping genocide and getting voter support.
Our enemies see US support for genocide and can point to it as justification for their own horrific acts. It's extremely hypocritical of the US to have been thumping on and on about how moral they are in their support for Ukraine, but to then turn around and support genocide in Palestine. It makes it look like morality wasn't the reason for it at all, which affects voters' perceptions at home since that has been the main selling point made by politicians for use of the US military budget abroad.
Clearly biden and the democrats don't consider a trump term or project 2025 all that bad because they'd rather risk that happening than to stop supporting genocide. It's mindbogglingly stupid that they refuse to take on this obvious win-win of stopping genocide and getting voter support.
So you made shit up.
I love how no one is considering the large number of pro-Israel voters who would turn on Biden if Biden flipped on this issue.Is there actually any polling of people who would abstain or vote Trump if Biden stopped providing weapons to Israel?
https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/30/nancy-pelosi-go-back-to-china-protest-code-pink/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nancy-pelosi-gaza-ceasefire-russia-palestine-b2486619.htmlYou said federal officers were sent to attack students. You dont get to backtrack and say I meant that politicians attacked them verbally you disingenuous ass.
https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/30/nancy-pelosi-go-back-to-china-protest-code-pink/
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jewish-democrat-compares-columbia-protesters-white-nationalists-charlottesville-same-message
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1719140783377232028
I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.Why do you think the religious right is voting for Biden in the first place? The religious left would be voting for Biden which means they believe in Jesus's teachings of taking care of the sick, poor, and or the hungry.
Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.
I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.
I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.
Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.
I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.
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Me: His admin as liken to them to the Literal Nazis at Charolettesville, other dems have suggest they were being pushed by Russia and China, they have said they were racist ect.
You: So you made shit up.
So let's follow this..Yes, you backtracked and something that was not your original claim, what of it?
So I supported my claim and you still find a way to try to attack .. just no. You were wrong . Be an adult about it .
What religious right, apocalypse seeking voter is voting for Biden? Whereas, I know a lot of people who are disgusted by Biden's policy on the left and center left. There's losses for each side, yes, but the losses are not at all equal or proportional.
Yes, you backtracked and something that was not your original claim, what of it?
Is there actually any polling of people who would abstain or vote Trump if Biden stopped providing weapons to Israel?
Why do you think the religious right is voting for Biden in the first place? The religious left would be voting for Biden which means they believe in Jesus's teachings of taking care of the sick, poor, and or the hungry.
What religious right, apocalypse seeking voter is voting for Biden? Whereas, I know a lot of people who are disgusted by Biden's policy on the left and center left. There's losses for each side, yes, but the losses are not at all equal or proportional.
Believe it or not, there are religious folks that believe that Trump isn't very good. But you better fucking believe that they think Israel's "retaliatory" actions are completely justified because of the Hamas attack.
Trump voters are voting for Trump no matter what happens. We're referring to fence sitting voters. And more specifically, abstainers.
I love how no one is considering the large number of pro-Israel voters who would turn on Biden if Biden flipped on this issue.
It's not like ever Democrat voter is on one side of this issue
I think you're underestimating just how popular israel is with Americans. Obviously people like us understand that what's happening in Gaza is genocidal, But most religious folk, especially the religious right, see Israel as some bastion of holy land. They, unfortunately, don't really give a fuck what's happening in Gaza because they consider Israel's autonomy above everything else.
Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.
I certainly wish I was wrong, but I don't think I am.
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
As for AIPAC: no doubt it's a powerful lobby group but this idea that they single handedly decide who becomes the US president is a wild hyperbole and gets uncomfortably close to conspiracy theories that shouldn't have a place in this debate.If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions, then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?
If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions, then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?A defining aspect of antisemitic conspiracy theories is the internal contradiction that Jews are both powerless parasites and all-powerful controllers of the world.
There you go again changing the subject from what biden can do.I don't give a fucking shit about Biden! He is completely irrelevant to why I am going to the polls.
The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-PalestineYet only 27% of them want Biden to take Israel's side, and that number is even lower for his own voters. These numbers show a strong majority of Dems and Independents want the US to take a neutral stance but Biden is sending billions worth of weapons to Israel instead.
Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters. That Trump's fascism should be enough to convince voters. That protesters should just accept that genocide is inevitable and vote anyway.
Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.It is valid. I would tell those people even harder to shut the fuck up and vote against Trump.
If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions,Yes.
then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?I think you're misreading my post. I wasn't the one who claimed "AIPAC would bury him". I'm disagreeing with that claim.
You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters.
I can't tell you what Biden can change because I can't believe the existence of the GOP and sheer terror isn't enough to motivate everyone to vote for literally whatever is running against them. I cannot comprehend needing extra motivation.
Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.