Why did LUE get closed again?

iirc wasn't it some kind of controversy involving Livejournal? I know it was something to do with the forum being too infamous

The parties they were hosting were too lit.

A number of incidents, one of which did involve stalking and flooding the LiveJournal of a girl who had recently committed suicide, flooding it with porn and shit from /b, and doxxing the family, iirc.

Place was basically trying ti be a discount 4chan

Whoever took part in that activity, I hope in the years since, they have matured and regret those actions

Its crazy iirc the live journal is still up with all the comments!!

josifrees posted...

Its crazy iirc the live journal is still up with all the comments!!

Whats live journal?

FinalBraveNUT posted...

Whats live journal?

Precursor to blogs I believe.

LUE had a really bad history of on- and offsite board invasions and account suicides for attention whoring (to the point that "LUEicide" literally became a banned word). In 2003 they were the first message board to be hit with a minimum user level requirement.
This did little to solve the above problems. Then they went way too far when they invaded the memorial Live Journal of a teen who committed suicide and said some rather awful things (initially it was benign LUE memes that were going around at the time like "Timmy You're Getting Permanently Expelled!" and "You bought an N-Gage, didn't you?".
Wasn't long before someone posted a less benign LUE meme, "Suicide is your only... oh, wait" ("Suicide is your only option" was a super popular meme on LUE back then)
Then it escalated to criticizing the parents and posts of the LUE Unholy Trinity *Goatse, Tubgirl, and Harlequin Fetus* and worse (I won't even mention the other stuff because it would likely get me modded. Including some collages of shock images that made the Unholy Trinity look G rated in comparison)

Yea, SecLUEsion was a justified action.

CEclusion is not.

FinalBraveNUT posted...

Whats live journal?

In terms of content, I think LiveJournal was basically the tumblr precursor.

And fuck me, I've just learned it's now owned by Russia and its TOS conforms to Russian law which includes blogs with more than 3,000 daily visitors are classified as media outlets and may not be published anonymously, are responsible for the dissemination of unverified information, and are restricted from posting pornography, obscene language, or "extremist materials".

josifrees posted...

Its crazy iirc the live journal is still up with all the comments!!

Seriously?! Wow...

Not sure I'd agree that excLUEsion was appropriate. CJayC was partly to blame in that most of the site had iron fisted rules except LUE, and his approach to modding and keeping the peace mostly just led to more troublemakers out of previously good users. Kinda like what this is like.

Also excLUEsion (much like other things CJayC implemented, KOS being another) caused a situation in which problem users were rewarded with an exclusive group.

P4wn4g3 posted...

Also excLUEsion (much like other things CJayC implemented, KOS being another) caused a situation in which problem users were rewarded with an exclusive group.

Yeah I recall LUE retaining lenient moderation standards even after it was closed. Which realistically made no sense and was just done out of fear of manchild backlash.

I dunno how true this is but I heard they had a jailbait posting problem as well

The only incident I remember was LUE invading a KKK forum (I kid you not), and flooding it with memes and troll topics like "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer, KKK style".

P4wn4g3 posted...

Not sure I'd agree that excLUEsion was appropriate. CJayC was partly to blame in that most of the site had iron fisted rules except LUE, and his approach to modding and keeping the peace mostly just led to more troublemakers out of previously good users. Kinda like what this is like.

You're forgetting about CJayC's infamous airplane engine statement. He allowed the scenario that you described because he knew that the LUEsers would contaminate the rest of the board. This was back when he had had previous troubles with certain userbases (the original Scumwars and the Random Insanity Gamequeen refugee crisis (a massive exodus from Random Insanity to LUE) being the prime examples. As you can guess, the latter played a significant role in LUE becoming a major problem board.
We're talking about RIers of the day-- the folks who had an absolute field day abusing the moderation system that night the delete button broke and people could mark their own posts. A few of them used to raid LUE in the middle of the night with silly topics back when it was still exclusively about 100% serious discussion, only for said topics to get cleaned up by the mods before dawn.

Fenriswolf posted...

The only incident I remember was LUE invading a KKK forum (I kid you not), and flooding it with memes and troll topics like "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer, KKK style".

LUE invaded a lot of places. Including Sprint Relay Online to make prank phonecalls. Other invasions included:
--Some poll-generating site where they made 2 or 3 different polls. I have them recorded on a word doc somewhere.
--A site with a Sonic the Hedgehog movie dreamcasting
--A Pro-anorexia board. The users there accused the LUE invaders of all being "jealous 150lb fat chicks"
--To Be Smarter Child, a very impressionable Smarter Child beta. This was my favorite
--The site admin made an announcement warning people of password stealers posing as the admin or a moderator in emails and chatrooms. LUE decided to go look for said password stealers in order to mess with them. The result was absolutely hilarious, and my 2nd favorite invasion. They only managed to find a single password stealer (who they drove completely insane) and the rest of the shenanigans involved LUEsers bullshitting one another by each pretending to be a password stealer. The absolute best line from the latter is "what kind of idiot gets mustard in a server that's 25 miles away?"
--One of the more disgusting ones was a message board for tweens, where among other things, a LUEser created an account named "BoyTouch"

Those are just the ones I can remember. Obviously the poll site is a completely harmless example.

I forgot to mention that in addition to account suicides and board/offsite invasions, LUE also had a big problem with truth-or-dare topics (which is what ultimately led to Black LUEsday) Those topics would always lead to dares to break the ToU.

Edit: Forgot one more thing. There were quite a few changes to the ToU made in response to problems on LUE. This includes autoflagging "STFU and "GTFO" (became fad responses, and were considered trolling), a ban on fad topics (at one point something like 4/5ths of the topics on LUE were fad topics, and it was bleeding into other boards as well.), rules against board invasion, LUEicide becoming a banned word, and a ban on LUEshiis (with the penalty ever-increasing until at one point it was an insta-warnable offense. This is an example of an LUE problem that did not remain confined to LUE, and it even affected a lot of gaming boards.)

Rika_Furude posted...

I dunno how true this is but I heard they had a jailbait posting problem as well

Definitely true. As someone who was not interested in that sort of thing, I found it annoying. And that Hillary Duff dance gif was fucking EVERYWHERE.

Really sounds like LUE was a cesspool. A shining example of how awful message boards could be in the 2000s.

St0rmFury posted...

Yea, SecLUEsion was a justified action.

CEclusion is not.

to be fair didnt CE burn down a church?

BrohammedAli posted...

to be fair didnt CE burn down a church?

That was just one weirdo, not a group effort.

Diceheist posted...

Yeah I recall LUE retaining lenient moderation standards even after it was closed. Which realistically made no sense and was just done out of fear of manchild backlash.

It makes sense to me: If the point is to keep them isolated, then lower restrictions are more incentive to stay there.

LeoRavus posted...

That was just one weirdo, not a group effort.

Yeah, and CE pretty much as a whole condemned the act.

Edit: Yes, I remember some of us egged him on but tbf nobody actually thought he was gonna freaking do it.

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

You're forgetting about CJayC's infamous airplane engine statement. He allowed the scenario that you described because he knew that the LUEsers would contaminate the rest of the board. This was back when he had had previous troubles with certain userbases (the original Scumwars and the Random Insanity Gamequeen refugee crisis (a massive exodus from Random Insanity to LUE) being the prime examples. As you can guess, the latter played a significant role in LUE becoming a major problem board.
We're talking about RIers of the day-- the folks who had an absolute field day abusing the moderation system that night the delete button broke and people could mark their own posts. A few of them used to raid LUE in the middle of the night with silly topics back when it was still exclusively about 100% serious discussion, only for said topics to get cleaned up by the mods before dawn.

LUE invaded a lot of places. Including Sprint Relay Online to make prank phonecalls. Other invasions included:
--Some poll-generating site where they made 2 or 3 different polls. I have them recorded on a word doc somewhere.
--A site with a Sonic the Hedgehog movie dreamcasting
--A Pro-anorexia board. The users there accused the LUE invaders of all being "jealous 150lb fat chicks"
--To Be Smarter Child, a very impressionable Smarter Child beta. This was my favorite
--The site admin made an announcement warning people of password stealers posing as the admin or a moderator in emails and chatrooms. LUE decided to go look for said password stealers in order to mess with them. The result was absolutely hilarious, and my 2nd favorite invasion. They only managed to find a single password stealer (who they drove completely insane) and the rest of the shenanigans involved LUEsers bullshitting one another by each pretending to be a password stealer. The absolute best line from the latter is "what kind of idiot gets mustard in a server that's 25 miles away?"
--One of the more disgusting ones was a message board for tweens, where among other things, a LUEser created an account named "BoyTouch"

Those are just the ones I can remember. Obviously the poll site is a completely harmless example.

I forgot to mention that in addition to account suicides and board/offsite invasions, LUE also had a big problem with truth-or-dare topics (which is what ultimately led to Black LUEsday) Those topics would always lead to dares to break the ToU.

Edit: Forgot one more thing. There were quite a few changes to the ToU made in response to problems on LUE. This includes autoflagging "STFU and "GTFO" (became fad responses, and were considered trolling), a ban on fad topics (at one point something like 4/5ths of the topics on LUE were fad topics, and it was bleeding into other boards as well.), rules against board invasion, LUEicide becoming a banned word, and a ban on LUEshiis (with the penalty ever-increasing until at one point it was an insta-warnable offense. This is an example of an LUE problem that did not remain confined to LUE, and it even affected a lot of gaming boards.)

Gamefaqs was way more fun back then lol.

Also, what did LUEshii mean?

SAlYAN posted...

flooding it with porn and shit from /b

I just want to clarify that /b/ didn't exist when LUE did this. LUE was literally just prototype-/b/ on their own >_>

BrohammedAli posted...

to be fair didnt CE burn down a church?

That's like saying "oh, this 1 guy in a city of millions committed a crime. Time to build a wall around the entire thing and block it off"

FFTHEWINNER posted...

Gamefaqs was way more fun back then lol.

Also, what did LUEshii mean?

This is LUEshi. Also, I've been a member of GameFAQs for 21 years and I think this might be the first time I've ever posted a LUEshi lol.

...nvm. GameFAQs wouldn't even let me post it due to the 80 character limit. Tried adding a space after each line, but that didn't work. Don't care enough to figure out how to bypass the rule. Here's a post with a LUEshi.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/570163-bmx-trial-alex-kidd/74182770

Gamefaqs was way more fun back then lol.

Yeah, I heard that a couple of times, CEmen prank called massive pizza deliveries to CJayC's home. Ceej ate the pizzas.

We also used to have a banned user list. That was fun. And man, some of those KoSed (kill-on-sight) users were really persistent-- going through 5 or more accounts per week. Note that you still needed to use a different email for each account back then.

The banned user list was eliminated after it started to become a badge of honor (sorta like getting your initials on the high score at the arcade), and censor-bypassing user names became more common (the F -- and sadly N words were the most popular.)
The banned username all-stars are generally considered to be GrandmaLovesTheWang, PoopIsNotCollateral, and ISeeJaySeeDeadguys.

CE was definitely more fun in the mid to late 00s. I had such a blast on this site during then

Been posting on LUE since the beginning and still post there sometimes. The things it got closed off for were done by a small, but definitely awful subset of users. Those type of people left the site for LL (now called EotI) long ago.

ssjevot posted...

Been posting on LUE since the beginning and still post there sometimes. The things it got closed off for were done by a small, but definitely awful subset of users. Those type of people left the site for LL (now called EotI) long ago.

Whats the link to LUE

TimeCrisis posted...

Whats the link to LUE

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/402-

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Really sounds like LUE was a cesspool. A shining example of how awful message boards could be in the 2000s.

Pretty much.

I had the option to opt in to keeping LUE on my board list when the privatizing was happening, and I intentionally said no. Any curiosity I had just wasnt worth wanting to be associated with a place with such an awful legacy.

FinalBraveNUT posted...

Whats live journal?

Basically a blog site. I think the detail left out is that people that knew the girl were using it as a memorial site.

The live journal invasion was absolute peak early 2000s internet troll culture at work.

Because my IRL best friend suicided Duckbear's account.

For those wondering what that collage of shock images that "makes Goatse/Tubgirl look tame" consisted of?
I can't give you details on the majority of them, but they included a photo of a human bot fly maggot being removed from an eye *it's the one that used to be on Snopes*, the corpse of a small child victim of gun violence, a severed finger (some meth head tried to dislodge his wedding ring from his finger with a shard of glass and accidentally severed his digit.) a failed suicide victim *shot to the head*, some STDS, and a few things that I can't mention at all beyond "it'll give you guy pain"

Yeah, some LUEser posted THAT there, because he just had to one-up the guy who posted Goatse.

Kim Dotcom and utorrent had the game on lock

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

For those wondering what that collage of shock images that "makes Goatse/Tubgirl look tame" consisted of?
I can't give you details on the majority of them, but they included a photo of a human bot fly maggot being removed from an eye *it's the one that used to be on Snopes*, the corpse of a small child victim of gun violence, a severed finger (some meth head tried to dislodge his wedding ring from his finger with a shard of glass and accidentally severed his digit.) a failed suicide victim *shot to the head*, some STDS, and a few things that I can't mention at all beyond "it'll give you guy pain"

Yeah, some LUEser posted THAT there, because he just had to one-up the guy who posted Goatse.

...wow.

Evening_Dragon posted...

It makes sense to me: If the point is to keep them isolated, then lower restrictions are more incentive to stay there.

Kind of why 4chans /b/ and /pol/ are great too: containment boards keep the loonies away from the rest of the site. Reddit closes subs regularly and other subs suffer because of it.

Oh, I just realized that I've been using some of the terms incorrectly. ExcLUEsion was not the privatization of LUE after the Live Journal invasion-- it was the signup.

So the terminology is like this:
Black LUEsday: A user in a Truth or Dare topic dares LUEsers to invade the Pokemon board. Tealmarie creates a topic asking why Pikachu is yellow, and is suspended shortly thereafter. LUEsers blow a gasket and start invading the Pokemon board for real, in addition to committing around 25 LUEicides. Tealmarie's account is later restored, but CJayC implements a minimum user requirement on LUE -- the first in Gamefaqs history -- to curb the board invasions and LUEicides.
SteriLUEzation: LUE is privatized to accounts below a certain UserID # after LUEsers invaded the memorial Live Journal of a 15yo suicide victim, filling it with abusive and highly inappropriate content
ExcLUEsion: Ceej created a 2-week, unannounced signup period during which Gamefaqs users could sign up to retain their access to LUE. Needless to say, a lot of people missed the opportunity.

Another note: Though this is not LUE-specific, there was a point when reformat//:C or whatever the command line is was a banned word. Yeah, you heard me. (Man, remember when computers had far less idiot-proofing?)

lunarhawk99 was a false prophet

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

Oh, I just realized that I've been using some of the terms incorrectly. ExcLUEsion was not the privatization of LUE after the Live Journal invasion-- it was the signup.

So the terminology is like this:
Black LUEsday: A user in a Truth or Dare topic dares LUEsers to invade the Pokemon board. Tealmarie creates a topic asking why Pikachu is yellow, and is suspended shortly thereafter. LUEsers blow a gasket and start invading the Pokemon board for real, in addition to committing around 25 LUEicides. Tealmarie's account is later restored, but CJayC implements a minimum user requirement on LUE -- the first in Gamefaqs history -- to curb the board invasions and LUEicides.
SteriLUEzation: LUE is privatized to accounts below a certain UserID # after LUEsers invaded the memorial Live Journal of a 15yo suicide victim, filling it with abusive and highly inappropriate content
ExcLUEsion: Ceej created a 2-week, unannounced signup period during which Gamefaqs users could sign up to retain their access to LUE. Needless to say, a lot of people missed the opportunity.

Another note: Though this is not LUE-specific, there was a point when reformat//:C or whatever the command line is was a banned word. Yeah, you heard me. (Man, remember when computers had far less idiot-proofing?)

Only two weeks?! Wow. One would have thought it would have been a couple months at least lol.

St0rmFury posted...

Yea, SecLUEsion was a justified action.

CEclusion is not.

Debatable.

261 hit the block largely for the same reasons, ultimately. CE not only has politics but is also dangerous, whereas 261 was not a danger to the community.

Required reading

https://www.angelfire.com/oh5/madgamer01/gamefaqs/history/luehistory/ch7LUEsday.html
https://www.angelfire.com/oh5/madgamer01/gamefaqs/history/luehistory/luehistory.html

You cant have CE without politics, its baked into the foundation. And fandom does not allow politics.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/402-

Dang what's the level req

I was a member while it was happening, but didn't follow it into private.

fandom has made a mistake closing off CE. The general social board are the reason most people even show up to gamefaqs. Message board fourms are old technology and are mostly obsolete.

I don't really use the faq part of the site any more. And if I wanted to join a videogame community it would be different than the fourms.

FinalBraveNUT posted...

Dang what's the level req

None. You either have to have signed up for access almost two decades ago, or be a mod.

I read through the stuff there when I was a mod. Tbh there's really nothing to see, anymore.

...shit, are politics banned there, too? I mean, I doubt anyone there will mark it, but damn. I hadn't even considered that technically LUE has to follow the same politics and hornyposting rule changes

what a bunch of luesers amirite