Does big Bubba forcing a rapist to take it up the butt against his will count as prison violence?Yes. Raping a rapist just makes 2 rapists.
Yes. Raping a rapist just makes 2 rapists.But what if Bubba is really horny and needs it. Just like the when the rapist did it. Is op saying that Bubba should get a penalty in addition to the one he's already serving?
It shouldn't happen, but I have no sympathy if it does happen to certain people.I dont have sympathy either, but it should not be celebrated when it happens.
It shouldn't happen, but I have no sympathy if it does happen to certain people.This, pretty much. It's not that I encourage it or think it specifically should be ignored, it's more just I don't give a fuck.
Does big Bubba forcing a rapist to take it up the butt against his will count as prison violence?It is prison violence so yes it counts
I dont have sympathy either, but it should not be celebrated when it happens.I wasn't celebrating
They were sentenced to prison, not getting beat the shit out, raped, or murdered.
But what if Bubba is really horny and needs it. Just like the when the rapist did it. Is op saying that Bubba should get a penalty in addition to the one he's already serving?There's something deeply fucking wrong with you
People think that imprisoned rapists and murderers should be allowed to carry on raping and murdering?Who said that?
But what if Bubba is really horny and needs it. Just like the when the rapist did it. Is op saying that Bubba should get a penalty in addition to the one he's already serving?It is a crime. Prisoners in jail who commit violent crimes are charged with those crimes and have the penalties added to their sentence all the time.
Like do you guys not see that accepting prison violence will happen to people is horrible?I'd personally like to see reform in which minor* offenders get rehabilitated and supported while persistent or severe ones get the status quo or harsher. (Probably not "harsher" by US standards, to be fair.)
How are we supposed to reform our prisons if were okay with people getting attacked
It is a crime. Prisoners in jail who commit violent crimes are charged with those crimes and have the penalties added to their sentence all the time.But what if you're already doing life.
Who said that?Exactly my point. If violence is allowed to occur and even accepted, its not only going to be horrible people who get beat up.
For every rapist who gets shivved or sexually assaulted in prison there's probably even more who're in for possession facing the same thing.
It shouldn't happen, but I have no sympathy if it does happen to certain people.
It shouldn't happen, but I have no sympathy if it does happen to certain people.
People think that imprisoned rapists and murderers should be allowed to carry on raping and murdering?
Mass MurderersOkay. So for you, violence is acceptable for some people in prison.
Child rapists/abusers
Torturers
Animal cruelty scumbags
Some specific examples where the criminal blatantly got way too light of a sentence (though usually those seem to be cases where they get no prison time at all just community service or home confinement or such, so even "prison justice" isn't on the table)
For the above, yes. For anyone else, no (which includes Danny).
They also seem to think the wrongfully convicted should be beaten and raped in addition to having their freedom stripped from them.OK... I regret impulse posting It slipped my mind that they could be an innocent accused of rape I am deeply sorry
Okay. So for you, violence is acceptable for some people in prison.I think the general attitude is more "it's bad in general but we aren't going to care so much about the individual case when it's one of those".
You understand that if any violence is accepted, its not going to be confined to only those people though, yeah? That is my problem with being okay with any violence towards anyone in prison.
Mass MurderersI love animals and usually always prefer the company of animals to people but just curious why the raping of adults is different to you? Obviously we need to protect the children but I just find this mentality curious.
Child rapists/abusers
Torturers
Animal cruelty scumbags
Some specific examples where the criminal blatantly got way too light of a sentence (though usually those seem to be cases where they get no prison time at all just community service or home confinement or such, so even "prison justice" isn't on the table)
For the above, yes. For anyone else, no (which includes Danny).
Okay. So for you, violence is acceptable for some people in prison.You can condemn it all you want and try to limit it all you want
You understand that if any violence is accepted, its not going to be confined to only those people though, yeah? That is my problem with being okay with any violence towards anyone in prison.
OK... I regret impulse posting It slipped my mind that they could be an innocent accused of rape I am deeply sorryThis topic is not specifically about your post btw. Its just more the general vibe i got from that topic
You can condemn it all you want and try to limit it all you wantOther wealthy developed nations dont have prisons like the US though. Prison violence is particularly bad here, and wanting to punish criminals beyond just their sentence is part of the reason why.
Prison violence is still going to happen, unless you want the state to start controlling criminals to a level that would, in itself, be criminal
I really appreciate how you just listened to people and understood where we were coming from.I was parroting what my family usually says really, you and others made a compelling point so yeah I will not go with saying stuff like that again
I think the general attitude is more "it's bad in general but we aren't going to care so much about the individual case when it's one of those".But to allow it for certain people is to allow violence for all prisoners. Thats the point im trying to make.
The murderers and rapists found it acceptable to do what they did, not sure why they should be protected from the same being done to them. I understand being giddy about it being viewed as unhinged (as it should), but I'm certainly not going to lose a wink of sleep over it.So we should murder and rape more because someone already did it? Prison should not be a hotbed for more crime to occur. Its supposed to be rehabilitation to return to society.
But to allow it for certain people is to allow violence for all prisoners. Thats the point im trying to make.Yeah, you're right tbh. And yeah, those overseeing the prisoners should take even incidents against the worse prisoners seriously. Still, as someone not personally involved, I'm not going to have any sympathy for the victim in those specific cases, even if I'll agree the general trend needs to be against it (and thus that the offender in even the cases where sympathy isn't justified, should still be held accountable).
I think the general attitude is more "it's bad in general but we aren't going to care so much about the individual case when it's one of those".This. Not saying it should be official policy or or done intentionally for the most part.
I love animals and usually always prefer the company of animals to people but just curious why the raping of adults is different to you? Obviously we need to protect the children but I just find this mentality curious.For me, it's a difference of preying upon those too weak or incapable of knowing what you're doing to them. Preying upon children and animals is more despicable to me than doing similar crimes to functioning human adults. There's a reason a child or pet is "in your care" but an adult human is not (aside from some disabled people, which I guess should've been included in my list as especially heinous victims).
But what if you're already doing life.That doesn't change the laws. People with life sentences who commit crimes can still get time added on to their sentence.
But to allow it for certain people is to allow violence for all prisoners. Thats the point im trying to make.
You can condemn it all you want and try to limit it all you wantI think the idea that the only way to reduce violence in prisons is to ratchet up draconian treatment is flawed.
Prison violence is still going to happen, unless you want the state to start controlling criminals to a level that would, in itself, be criminal
For example, improving the inhumane conditions people must endure while incarcerated can decrease the likelihood of violence. Research shows a correlation between rising temperatures and an uptick in violence in prison. Yet many U.S. jails and prisons lack air conditioning, trapping people in concrete and metal structures that provide no reprieve from dangerous triple-digit heat during the summer months. In addition, poor nutritionjail and prison diets are notoriously unhealthyhas also been linked to violent behavior. A 2002 study in the United Kingdom concluded that a healthy diet with adequate levels of vitamins, minerals, and fatty acids can reduce antisocial behavior, including violence, in prisons. Prison administrators can also work to reduce violence in their facilities by providing programming that improves quality of life. Veras Restoring Promise initiative is working with correctional partners in five states to repurpose existing housing units into places that are grounded in accountability, dignity, and healing for young adults. This work is co-led by Vera and the MILPA Collective. At one of those units, the Community Opportunity Restoration Enhancement (C.O.R.E.) unit in South Carolinas Turbeville Correctional Institution, older men with lengthier sentences mentor young adults between the ages of 18 and 25. The housing unit has walls adorned with murals, windows that allow natural light in, and rooms covered in photographs. Incarcerated people in these units spend as many as 15 hours outside their cells and participate in classes focused on life skills, financial literacy, conflict mediation, and nurturing healthy relationships with family and loved ones.
Prisoners are quite literally in the care of the prison.
This. Not saying it should be official policy or or done intentionally for the most part.
More like, "when it happens to the above criminals, I don't really mind at all".