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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Yeah, that's the funny thing, he projects his zealot-like fervor to defend China onto us Americans for our own country.

I'll stop defending China when the USA stops getting fascists like Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton into power. Deal?

Mearcstapa posted...
I would love to see the PRC military get annihilated

Ahh taking on a nuclear power is such a cakewalk, right? How did Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam go? Are you going to sign up or just talk trash on a video game forum?
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ssjevot posted...
I hate how you always make shit up. Where did I tell you what your nationality should be? You live in a Western country and not China? Correct? My point is you are literally more unhinged than the nationalists in my family living in China right now. You probably actively hurt China's reputation with your posting.

And yet you still spend all your time badly defending China on a video game message board (and who knows where else), oh and I guess defending XBox for whatever reason. It feels more believable that it's a character you created.

Considering the disgusting Sinophobia in the West, where the Tiktok CEO was accused of being a Chinese spy, or even in Australia where a far right politician demanded someone of Malaysian Chinese descent to denounce the CCP, why shouldn't I fight against it?

Did you ever face racist attacks and have to deal with lingering trauma?

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fenris spent years trying to deny that the ccp was engaging in the very open genocide they are still engaged in. he is the most indoctrinated ccp shill i have ever seen online
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andel posted...
fenris spent years trying to deny that the ccp was engaging in the very open genocide they are still engaged in. he is the most indoctrinated ccp shill i have ever seen online

Trowa is definitely in the running unless it turned out years ago they were the same person.
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andel posted...
fenris spent years trying to deny that the ccp was engaging in the very open genocide they are still engaged in. he is the most indoctrinated ccp shill i have ever seen online

It's not indoctrination. He's likely paid for what he posts. He's literally a wumao.
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Fenriswolf posted...
Considering the disgusting Sinophobia in the West, where the Tiktok CEO was accused of being a Chinese spy, or even in Australia where a far right politician demanded someone of Malaysian Chinese descent to denounce the CCP, why shouldn't I fight against it?

Did you ever face racist attacks and have to deal with lingering trauma?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-was-born-in-australia-why-do-i-need-to-renounce-the-chinese-communist-party-20201014-p5655j.html
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Xenogears15 posted...
It's not indoctrination. He's likely paid for what he posts. He's literally a wumao.
I don't know, I've gotten legitimate, not pro-ccp stuff out of him before.

I think he's just a zealot for China like Trump supporters are for Trump.
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Fenriswolf posted...
I'll stop defending China when the USA stops getting fascists like Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton into power. Deal?
Hey at least we could theoretically vote our fascists out, China's stuck with Pooh.
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Fenriswolf posted...
Considering the disgusting Sinophobia in the West, where the Tiktok CEO was accused of being a Chinese spy, or even in Australia where a far right politician demanded someone of Malaysian Chinese descent to denounce the CCP, why shouldn't I fight against it?

Did you ever face racist attacks and have to deal with lingering trauma?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-was-born-in-australia-why-do-i-need-to-renounce-the-chinese-communist-party-20201014-p5655j.html

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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Hey at least we could theoretically vote our fascists out, China's stuck with Pooh.

Keep in mind that Fenris is one of those folks who vehemently denies that China uses Uyghur slave labor even though it's been pretty well documented that it exists, so in his mind anything that China does that could be seen as worse doesn't actually exist.

https://www.politico.eu/article/forced-labor-still-haunts-chinese-region-of-xinjiang-report-finds/
According to a report by Beijing-sanctioned academic Adrian Zenz, due to be published this week in the Jamestown Foundation China Brief, forced labor transfers of the Uyghur Muslim workforce in 2023 exceeded those from the previous year and surpassed state-mandated quotas.

The study, which focuses on 2023 and early this year, adds to a growing body of evidence that Beijing is using forced labor and mass internment camps to control the Uyghurs and ramps up pressure on the European Union to finalize plans for a bloc-wide ban on imports of products made with forced labor.
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Has this really turned into a which country is worse topic? Like, I think we can all agree that China and the US are both terrible ( -_-)
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BlueKat posted...
Has this really turned into a which country is worse topic? Like, I think we can all agree that China and the US are both terrible ( -_-)

See I agree. But Fenris, well...he won't.

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BlueKat posted...
Has this really turned into a which country is worse topic? Like, I think we can all agree that China and the US are both terrible ( -_-)
Fenris is the only one trying to make that argument. Nobody in this topic is trying to defend the US, unlike him with the ccp.
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Fenriswolf posted...
Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.

You do know that the war did not end until 1950 and even then the two sides never signed a ceasefire or peace treaty, with the ROC claiming the entirety of PRC plus Mongolia up until the 2000s?

Would you go tell a Palestinian to "get over it" because the war started in 1948?
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Fenriswolf posted...
Literally dragging out something from the 1960s LMAO
Like fifteen posts before this?
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DrizztLink posted...
Hey Fennie, didn't you say

Like fifteen posts before this?

Oh I noticed that too, he's been literally all over the place in history with this topic lol. Can't keep anything straight cause he is frothing at the mouth. Now imagine what happens when he learns how much of a failure the Xbox is.
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You guys are all forgetting USA will never let China take Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC).
They will use WMDs before they let TSMC go to China.
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MrDude1 posted...
You guys are all forgetting USA will never let China take Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC).
They will use WMDs before they let TSMC go to China.

The US is colluding with several other nations (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Netherlands), to make something of a chip cartel akin to OPEC. The only way that this will be possible will be to replicate those TSMC fabs in other nations. We see this happening in states like Arizona and Ohio now.

So the US recognizes this fatal flaw woth Taiwan and is taking steps to make a takeover of Taiwan a lesser of a threat. It's still a possibility, though.

At the end of the day, Russia still stands as the bigger threat.
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Xenogears15 posted...
The US is colluding with several other nations (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Netherlands), to make something of a chip cartel akin to OPEC. The only way that this will be possible will be to replicate those TSMC fabs in other nations. We see this happening in states like Arizona and Ohio now.
TSMC invested in fabs in Arizona.

So the US recognizes this fatal flaw woth Taiwan and is taking steps to make a takeover of Taiwan a lesser of a threat. It's still a possibility, though.
The most advanced chips on the planet are ONLY built by TSMC HQ plants in Taiwan.
There is nowhere else in the world that builds it.
It would take decades to ramp up another manufacturing facility to build more advanced chips than those plants in Taiwan.

At the end of the day, Russia still stands as the bigger threat.
Russia and China both destroy themselves. It's already happening.
If you want to talk nuclear threats, North Korea has one insane moron who launched more nuclear tests than anyone else combined.
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MrDude1 posted...
TSMC invested in fabs in Arizona.


Yes.

The most advanced chips on the planet are ONLY built by TSMC HQ plants in Taiwan.
There is nowhere else in the world that builds it.
It would take decades to ramp up another manufacturing facility to build more advanced chips than those plants in Taiwan.

Yes. I have heard from those in the industry that there are plans to build such fabs in the US in the near future. Yes, it will take time, but the industry--at least the American side--is already planning for it.



Russia and China both destroy themselves. It's already happening.
If you want to talk nuclear threats, North Korea has one insane moron who launched more nuclear tests than anyone else combined.

Russia can take Europe with it when it does destroy itself. We shoukd not want that. I really do think that Putin is delusional enough to go to war with NATO. At the very least, his gains in Ukraine has European capitals spooked, and that increases the chances of something bad happening. China tends to collapse upon itself in civil war one the Mandate disapears, so they're the lesser threat.

Yeah, I forgot about NK. They're also a huge threat led by a madman. But I do not think them as big of one as Russia.
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Xenogears15 posted...
Yes.

Yes. I have heard from those in the industry that there are plans to build such fabs in the US in the near future. Yes, it will take time, but the industry--at least the American side--is already planning for it.
If I am not mistaken, those plans are made under Biden, so Trump might throw a fit and put those plans in the garbage if Trump gets re-elected.

Russia can take Europe with it when it does destroy itself. We shoukd not want that. I really do think that Putin is delusional enough to go to war with NATO. At the very least, his gains in Ukraine has European capitals spooked, and that increases the chances of something bad happening. China tends to collapse upon itself in civil war one the Mandate disapears, so they're the lesser threat.

Yeah, I forgot about NK. They're also a huge threat led by a madman. But I do not think them as big of one as Russia.
To me, Russia has old ass nukes that might not even be operational.
North Korea has done more nuclear tests than anyone else in modern times so their nukes are operational.
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MrDude1 posted...
To me, Russia has old ass nukes that might not even be operational.
Might not be functional doesn't lend to the kind of odds I'd wager the continuing survival of humanity on.
Just a few functional nukes can cause a lot of bad shit, and so I'd rather consider that a non-zero number of Russia's nukes work than let my hubris tell me none don't.
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MrDude1 posted...
If you want to talk nuclear threats, North Korea has one insane moron who launched more nuclear tests than anyone else combined
This is utterly wrong. US and Russia each sometimes tested as many nukes in one day as NK have *ever*. Wouldn't be surprised if China, the UK and France also pulled that off but don't know for sure off-hand.

Not disagreeing with the "insane moron" part tho.
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Thompson posted...
Might not be functional doesn't lend to the kind of odds I'd wager the continuing survival of humanity on.
Just a few functional nukes can cause a lot of bad shit, and so I'd rather consider that a non-zero number of Russia's nukes work than let my hubris tell me none don't.
I would like to quote Oppenheimer, "the chances are near zero."

Trumble posted...
This is utterly wrong. US and Russia each sometimes tested as many nukes in one day as NK have *ever*. Wouldn't be surprised if China, the UK and France also pulled that off but don't know for sure off-hand.

Not disagreeing with the "insane moron" part tho.
In modern times, I am not aware of any other countries conducting nuclear tests besides North Korea.
I am only aware of nuclear tests by North Korea as reported by the media.
If you're talking about unreported or top secret nuclear tests by other countries, then it's all guessing since we have no way of knowing.
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s0nicfan posted...
Trowa is definitely in the running unless it turned out years ago they were the same person.
y'know what I have the same tag for both of them

it's very possible
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