Did JK Rowling Deny the Holocaust?

Current Events

Current Events » Did JK Rowling Deny the Holocaust?
Sorry but I felt like discussing this and looks like Shock Monkey blocked me for saying that it seemed like a reach in his thread.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1767912990366388735?s=20

To me this looks like at worst, ignorance of a specific event, and at best, she was just calling out the dude for making a massive reach when placing her opinion. I don't think she denies the Holocaust outright.

JK Rowling has to my knowledge defended Jews online before. The overall premise seems like a reach to me:

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/986624639983063040?s=20

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1712379734900805837?s=20

Here's another tweet clearly indicating she knew the Holocaust existed.
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
One can defend Jews and engage in Holocaust denial, dude. This is a really weird look.
"Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon."
-DevsBro
Post #3 was unavailable or deleted.
Yes. Read the entire thread/response.

She is clearly denying, and doubling down even when presented with evidence. There is no ignorance of a specific event if she is refusing to learn even with provided with new information.
https://m.twitch.tv/sorozone/profile
marthsheretoo posted...
One can defend Jews and engage in Holocaust denial, dude. This is a really weird look.

She clearly acknowledged the Holocaust happened?
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
Dungeater posted...
she is claiming the nazis did not engage in the persecution and genocide of trans people, a thing the nazis did in fact do

that constitutes holocaust denial. holocaust denial isnt simply saying the holocaust didnt occur


My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all.
He/Him
Imagine going to bat for Rowling, and not just that, making an entire topic to do so.
SunburnCostanza posted...
She clearly acknowledged the Holocaust happened?

It might be time for you to quickly read up on what Holocaust denial is.
"Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon."
-DevsBro
She sucks enough that I wouldn't outright dis-believe it.
Don't give Rowling the benefit of the doubt. Just don't.
http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif
http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l60MnDJklnM&pp=ygUVc3RvcCBpdCBnZXQgc29tZSBoZWxw
A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod!
So change Holocaust denial to Trans Genocide denial if you want to be pedantic about it
The Legend is True!
Don't run defense for bad faith actors.
[click here] pronouns incoming
SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS
marthsheretoo posted...
It might be time for you to quickly read up on what Holocaust denial is.

Holocaust denial is denying the Holocaust either happened, or saying it was greatly exaggerated. It's anti-semetic in nature because of the implications that Jews made the whole thing up to help rule the world or whatever the conspiracy is.

Adopting that term because she got in another spat with trans people online to label her as anti-semetic seems pretty dishonest to me.
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
spikethedevil posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l60MnDJklnM&pp=ygUVc3RvcCBpdCBnZXQgc29tZSBoZWxw

A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod!
SunburnCostanza posted...
saying it was greatly exaggerated.

That's essentially what she's doing but you know that, you're just sealioning.
Thus making this the third topic about this, unless you've got me on Ignore. (I mean all you folks gotta do is type rowling into the search bar, goodness knows I did)

Anyway...

SunburnCostanza posted...
To me this looks like at worst, ignorance of a specific event, and at best, she was just calling out the dude for making a massive reach when placing her opinion. I don't think she denies the Holocaust outright.

This is the end result of her presuming that any information about the history of trans people delivered by someone who dislikes her must in fact be a lie or extremely exaggerated or taken out of context simply due to the nature of the source presenting it. She ended up being flatly wrong.

To tack on top of that, she engaged in several further bad faith tweets, not to retract her original statement about believing trans persecution by the Nazis was a "fever dream", but instead to move the goalposts and imply that she was still "right" only very tangentially by proxy by tacking on extra conditions.

What comes of a life on Twitter of trying to "one-up" someone else, in this case, ends in denial of an event that occurred in the Holocaust.

That is, in fact, Holocaust denial.

You don't have to say "it didn't happen" to be a denier. Saying "it wasn't all that bad" or in this case "those people weren't targeted (despite there being evidence they were)" is still denial.
CyricZ He/him
http://twitch.tv/cyricz42
Mod came into the topic and did nothing about it lol.
A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod!
MC_BatCommander posted...
So change Holocaust denial to Trans Genocide denial if you want to be pedantic about it

Yes I'd be okay with that change if she's denying it happened. And no it's not pedantic to say we should use our words accurately. Otherwise no one's going to believe what you're saying.
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
Denying that certain verifiable victims of Nazi Party sanctioned extermination existed does fall under the umbrella of Holocaust denial.

You're wrong here, TC.
See you next Wednesday.
SunburnCostanza posted...
Holocaust denial is denying the Holocaust either happened, or saying it was greatly exaggerated. It's anti-semetic in nature because of the implications that Jews made the whole thing up to help rule the world or whatever the conspiracy is.

Adopting that term because she got in another spat with trans people online to label her as anti-semetic seems pretty dishonest to me.

That's not always the implication though, given that people can deny the holocaust for different groups of people who were killed during it (LGTBQ people, people with disabilities, socialists, communists, Jehova's Witnesses, ect) based on motivated hate for those people.
Disobedience is the stamp of the hero. -Ragnar Redbeard
Also, this is Kagata..
SunburnCostanza posted...
To me this looks like at worst, ignorance of a specific event
That's a pretty big reach brother.
"A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet! "
My FC is in my profile.
spikethedevil posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l60MnDJklnM&pp=ygUVc3RvcCBpdCBnZXQgc29tZSBoZWxw

A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod!
CyricZ posted...
Thus making this the third topic about this, unless you've got me on Ignore. (I mean all you folks gotta do is type rowling into the search bar, goodness knows I did)

Anyway...

This is the end result of her presuming that any information about the history of trans people delivered by someone who dislikes her must in fact be a lie or extremely exaggerated or taken out of context simply due to the nature of the source presenting it. She ended up being flatly wrong.

To tack on top of that, she engaged in several further bad faith tweets, not to retract her original statement about believing trans persecution by the Nazis was a "fever dream", but instead to move the goalposts and imply that she was still "right" only very tangentially by proxy by tacking on extra conditions.

What comes of a life on Twitter of trying to "one-up" someone else, in this case, ends in denial of an event that occurred in the Holocaust.

That is, in fact, Holocaust denial.

You don't have to say "it didn't happen" to be a denier. Saying "it wasn't all that bad" or in this case "those people weren't targeted (despite there being evidence they were)" is still denial.

If you want to say she's denying trans genocide or anti trans that's fine. If you want to call her a "Holocaust denier" and then people take 5 seconds to google her acknowledging the Holocaust and defending Jewish people you're going to hurt your own cause.

I suspect there's a reason people are saying she's denying the Holocaust rather than saying she's engaging in Holocaust denial with specific respect to the way trans people were treated. Basically they just want to inflict the maximum amount of social shame they think is possible
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
spikethedevil posted...
Mod came into the topic and did nothing about it lol.

Are you ok?
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
spikethedevil posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l60MnDJklnM&pp=ygUVc3RvcCBpdCBnZXQgc29tZSBoZWxw

A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod!
__aCEr__ posted...
Denying that certain verifiable victims of Nazi Party sanctioned extermination existed does fall under the umbrella of Holocaust denial.

You're wrong here, TC.

Weird how TC is struggling with this concept.
Every time I see a Rowling topic, I think how sick and tired I am of hearing the nasty opinions of a mediocre writer of derivative fantasy fiction, and how I could quite happily ignore them.

But I realize that there are people who don't have that luxury, so post on. Show her for what she is.
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
SunburnCostanza posted...
If you want to say she's denying trans genocide or anti trans that's fine. If you want to call her a "Holocaust denier" and then people take 5 seconds to google her acknowledging the Holocaust and defending Jewish people you're going to hurt your own cause.

I suspect there's a reason people are saying she's denying the Holocaust rather than saying she's engaging in Holocaust denial with specific respect to the way trans people were treated. Basically they just want to inflict the maximum amount of social shame they think is possible

The trans genocide carried out by Nazis was part of the Holocaust.

Something tells me you aren't so concerned for the trans movement that you're worried the language they use is causing them to lose followers. You defended pedantry earlier as being accurate with your words: it is accurate to call this Holocaust denial, regardless of whose feathers get ruffled in the process.
"Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon."
-DevsBro
Ignornace: "Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Sorry."

Holocaust Denial: "NO IT DID NOT HAPPE!N SCREECH REE!"
This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes!
~Alexandra
marthsheretoo posted...
The trans genocide carried out by Nazis was part of the Holocaust.

Something tells me you aren't so concerned for the trans movement that you're worried the language they use is causing them to lose followers. You defended pedantry earlier as being accurate with your words: it is accurate to call this Holocaust denial, regardless of whose feathers get ruffled in the process.

I'm pretty much concerned for the entire section of the left that behaves this way. It really does hurt our image in the view of the general public.

I feel like you guys don't realize how out of touch you are with general society when you call JK Rowling a Holocaust denier. I put it in the same category as "Defund the police" meaning "redistribute the money to other services meant to fight crime" and saying racism doesn't apply to white people because it's a combination of prejudice and power or whatever.

We don't get to just redefine words and phrases that clearly mean one thing to umbrella over a bunch of things because you think it sounds good or inflammatory or engaging or fits your cause. Just say she's a terf and she doesn't like trans people, it's bad enough. You don't have to try to and pretend she doesn't think the Holocaust happened.
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
She literally doesnt believe part of it happened now STFU.
A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod!
spikethedevil posted...
Mod came into the topic and did nothing about it lol.
wild
My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all.
He/Him
SunburnCostanza posted...
I'm pretty much concerned for the entire section of the left that behaves this way.
Alright, now the mask comes off completely.
http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif
http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif
spikethedevil posted...
She literally doesnt believe part of it happened now STFU.

Tantrums and outrage don't make you right. Try engaging in the conversation rather than trying to farm agreement and blocking people who disagree. Reddit is that way
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
SunburnCostanza posted...
Tantrums and outrage don't make you right. Try engaging in the conversation rather than trying to farm agreement and blocking people who disagree. Reddit is that way

We get it. You like carrying water for transphobes and holocaust deniers.
This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes!
~Alexandra
Yes she is denying that trans people were targeted (along with many other groups) during the holocaust.
"Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five)
Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action.
creativerealms posted...
Yes she is denying that trans people were targeted (along with many other groups) during the holocaust.

Which other groups?
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
SunburnCostanza posted...
I suspect there's a reason people are saying she's denying the Holocaust rather than saying she's engaging in Holocaust denial with specific respect to the way trans people were treated. Basically they just want to inflict the maximum amount of social shame they think is possible
So she only did a "little bit" of Holocaust denial?
CyricZ He/him
http://twitch.tv/cyricz42
CyricZ posted...
So she only did a "little bit" of Holocaust denial?

Add "with respect to trans people" and we have a deal
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
SunburnCostanza posted...
Which other groups?
Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, communists, basically anyone they disliked they ether locked up, killed or both. I know I'm missing something. Their view of superiority and purity saw everyone else as disposable. Something that horrible should never be forgotten.
"Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five)
Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action.
SunburnCostanza posted...
Add "with respect to trans people" and we have a deal

Do you think that makes it better?

creativerealms posted...
Just FYI that third one is considered a slur of the Romani people.
CyricZ He/him
http://twitch.tv/cyricz42
CyricZ posted...
Do you think that makes it better?

Pretty rough question. Is it better than outright Holocaust denial? I would say so. Is it good? No. It's bad

creativerealms posted...
Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, communists, basically anyone they disliked they ether locked up, killed or both.

I didn't see her mention any of that
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
God she sucks so much.
Nothing to report here
its best not to give transphobes the benefit of the doubt my guy
If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!!
SunburnCostanza posted...
Pretty rough question. Is it better than outright Holocaust denial? I would say so.
Why would you even bother?

CyricZ He/him
http://twitch.tv/cyricz42
SunburnCostanza posted...
Pretty rough question. Is it better than outright Holocaust denial? I would say so. Is it good? No. It's bad

I didn't see her mention any of that
I'm not saying she should. She's hyper focused on removing Trans people and only trans people. As so her denial is hyper focused just on ignoring the Nazi's tried to kill them. I'm sure she sees what the Nazis did to all those other groups as a horrible thing. And would never deny that it happened.
"Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five)
Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action.
creativerealms posted...
I'm not saying she should. She's hyper focused on removing Trans people and only trans people. As so her denial is hyper focused just on ignoring the Nazi's tried to kill them. I'm sure she sees what the Nazis did to all those other groups as a horrible thing. And would never deny that it happened.

Sorry I misread your initial post. I thought the people you had in brackets were also people JK Rowling had engaged in denial with.
http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
CyricZ posted...
Why would you even bother?


SunburnCostanza posted...
I'm pretty much concerned for the entire section of the left that behaves this way. It really does hurt our image in the view of the general public.

I feel like you guys don't realize how out of touch you are with general society when you call JK Rowling a Holocaust denier. I put it in the same category as "Defund the police" meaning "redistribute the money to other services meant to fight crime" and saying racism doesn't apply to white people because it's a combination of prejudice and power or whatever.

We don't get to just redefine words and phrases that clearly mean one thing to umbrella over a bunch of things because you think it sounds good or inflammatory or engaging or fits your cause. Just say she's a terf and she doesn't like trans people, it's bad enough. You don't have to try to and pretend she doesn't think the Holocaust happened.

http://i.imgur.com/xUxeltw.jpg
Current Events » Did JK Rowling Deny the Holocaust?