Am I the only one who read his post and assumed it was sarcastic?
I mostly agree, but note this started 2 years ago. That 16 year old is now an adult. She's had this entire time to fess up that nothing actually happened to end this nightmare for Gatt, and hasn't. So I think criticizing that aspect and being angry at her for it is warranted.
Just as a court has to prove the accused guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, so to would they have to prove that the false accuser lied (maliciously) to throw her in jail, so actual victims won't have a paper trail to hang themselves with anyway.My dude, that's just not how it works.
I said I'm not joining the debate of how severe the punishment should be. Just as long as it's not a slap on the wrist.
As the person she accused will forever have his life affected by this, and he was among the lucky ones.
As some serve years in prison, lose their careers, and more.
I hope you aren't actually trying to imply here that false accusations of sexual assault doesn't happen, andor that false accusations don't ruin lives. I really hope you aren't asking for proof it ruins lives.
Then again, I shouldn't be surprised there are actually people going to bat to defend someone who falsely accused someone of a serious crime they didn't actually commit.
My position is simple, if the false accusers is proven to have made a false accusation, proven they lied, the false accuser deserves to be punished with something more than just a slap on the wrist.
It's not just the police and prosecutor. The literal false accuser is a problem too as all this started due to a 16 year old who should know better spreading a lie. This is not a 5 year old. The fact that some are bending into a pretzel to defend false accusers doesn't even shock me anymore.
Mhmm... Only if it can be proven definitively (or whatever the legal standard is, beyond a reasonable doubt?) that the accusation was malicious. I don't want people punished for simply not being able to prove the abuse.Proving malice is too far, because motivation is nearly impossible. Proving the accusation fictitious is a reasonable standard to set. That isn't the accuser not being able to prove the accusation true, but the accused being able to prove that the alleged event did not and could not have happened.
My dude, that's just not how it works.
Sexual assault and related crimes are already difficult to prove due to lack of evidence, victim's trauma, arguments around consent, etc. This is made even harder when considering many rapists are better connected and richer than their victims, they can afford better lawyers and can drag cases out.
So in the case of a legitimate crime, a rapist can get be declared not guilty because of the aforementioned reasons. The people in here who want to punish false accusers will now be enabling the criminal to then go after the victim and force them to have to defend themselves and relive their own rape in court again due to some misguided belief about justice.
Innocent until proven guilty has really become a thing of the past and the court of public opinion is stronger than ever.
Proving malice is too far, because motivation is nearly impossible. Proving the accusation fictitious is a reasonable standard to set. That isn't the accuser not being able to prove the accusation true, but the accused being able to prove that the alleged event did not and could not have happened.And cases like this, the accusers 100% should've been put in prison.
Two cases I'm personally familiar with: one was a guy accused of assaulting a woman in a Walmart break room. The entire incident was recorded on security cameras from multiple angles and did not in any way resemble the attack she alleged. The second was a guy being accused by his ex of constantly harassing, stalking, and assaulting her. He'd been accused so many times, each time with absolutely no proof, that he requested the police put an ankle monitor on him so he could prove where he was when the inevitable next accusation took place. Within a week she's accused him of raping her while his monitor and other evidence proved he'd been more than a hundred miles away.
Sexual assault and related crimes are already difficult to prove due to lack of evidence, victim's trauma, arguments around consent, etc. This is made even harder when considering many rapists are better connected and richer than their victims, they can afford better lawyers and can drag cases out.Apparently not hanging the accused on the weight of an accusation alone is a "misguided belief about justice". People like you generally operate under the assumption that "if he was accused, even if this particular event didn't happen he probably did it before and never got reported".
So in the case of a legitimate crime, a rapist can get be declared not guilty because of the aforementioned reasons. The people in here who want to punish false accusers will now be enabling the criminal to then go after the victim and force them to have to defend themselves and relive their own rape in court again due to some misguided belief about justice.
Another isolated incident
Sure are a lot of them, eh?
Am I the only one who read his post and assumed it was sarcastic? Isolated incident #32768 is what we used to say whenever a Trump supporter shot up a school after posting their intent to do so on social media.very possible and i take back my response if that's the case. sarcasm detector has broken over the years with people saying wild shit and meaning it.
Teenagers tell lies about their romantic lives. The 16 year old in this case is disturbed and did something wrong. But adults, including experienced investigators and prosecutors should have intervened and stopped this from becoming what it has.
OK. And now that she is an adult, as this happened 2 years ago, and she is still anonymous, she can 100% make a statement that clears his name beyond what just the court and investigators have said and did.Yes, I think the best thing she can do is admit that it was all a fantasy and apologize.
Will it change anything, as far as Gatt's employment opportunities? Who knows. But at this point, do we not think she has SOME responsibility on behalf of her family to help clear this man's name?
I love how we are trying to treat a 16 year old girl like she some innocent little girl who couldn't of possibly known better. As if she's some toddler.Toddlers don't make up fantasies about having sexual relationships with actors.
Especially made worse as this went on for 2 years.
I'd have the same opinion if this was a fucking 16 year old boy doing stupid shit.
Yes, I think the best thing she can do is admit that it was all a fantasy and apologize.Even then there will be people who think she was pressured onto retracting her claims.
Toddlers don't make up fantasies about having sexual relationships with actors.Teenagers don't do this shit either. She told a serious lie, and let others believe that serious lie that led to ruining another human beings life. No, that is not something teenagers do at no fault of their own.
Teenagers do.
Teenagers don't do this shit either. You are just bending into a pretzel to defend someone who should very much know better. She's not a fucking toddler who didn't know better.
Teenagers don't make up stories about being assaulted. Psychos do.This.
Toddlers and pretzels again! Are you hungry or just fond of stock phrases?I just find it amazing (although not surprising) you are bending over to defend a fucking 16 year like she's too oblivious to know better about her serious actions. While also acting like telling serious lies that ruin people's lives is something teenagers commonly do.
wtf kind of comment is this?Chud comment.
Teenagers do fantasise and lie about their romantic relationships. They can be immature and double down on their lies.
Teenagers don't make up stories about being assaulted. Psychos do.
They lie and brag about all the sex they have to their friends at school. They don't double down on it to the police . At that point they realize "oh shit what the fuck is this" and come clean.
It is becoming the norm for teenagers these days.
It is?
Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to herIt's moot if she personally talked to the police or not. She knowingly let the lie go on as if it's true for 2 years. So someone believing her serious accusation and going to the police, doesn't absolve the 16 year old who should very much know better, not speaking up that the accusation never actually happened. Embarrassing or not.
And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police
Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to herIs it even possible to build this case without having the police or the prosecutor talking to her?
And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police
Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to her
And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police
Go on any social media site at all. They love to dox, bully, harass, throw death threats, and go into great detail how they want to torture someone because they like an anime they hate.
I have seen it hundreds, if not thousands of times.
It's moot if she personally talked to the police or not. She knowingly let the lie go on as if it's true for 2 years. So someone believing her serious accusation and going to the police, doesn't absolve the 16 year old who should very much know better, not speaking up that the accusation never actually happened. Embarrassing or not.
Also only bad people intentionally and knowingly let someone's life get ruined due to a serious lie they started in the first place. Regardless whoever forwarded the lie she started, to the police. She knowingly said nothing as people believed her serious accusation.
Apologist for this girl want to act like this is exclusive behaviour to teenagers or children who would just let a serious lie accusing someone of a crime ruin another person's life. That type of behavior is perpetuated in bad people of all ages and genders.
Is it even possible to build this case without having the police or the prosecutor talking to her?
I haven't looked deeply into this story so I won't comment on her interactions with the police. But "officer presence" is level 1 on the force continuum for a reason. Teenagers try to bullshit their parents. When uniformed cops are talking to them, it's a different story. It's scary to have cops interrogating you regardless of what you've read about beforehand ("don't say anything without a lawyer" etc.), and believe me, I know that from experience.
Its not necessarily a moot point depending on what she said if she talked to them We only assume she let the lie go on for 2 years. Its always possible she told the truth, but everyone just didnt believe her. That said, its also possible she did let the lie go on. The problem is we have no idea either way, it seemsYou're right, I can concede on that much.
You're right, I can concede on that much.
IF, and I do mean if she did tell the truth, and constantly told the truth for the past 2 years, and everyone else ignored her, then you are right and I take back all of the negative things I said about her.
However if she told this lie, and let the lie go on for 2 years, regardless who went to the police, I don't retract the things I said about this girl.
Like I said, I have no idea. She could have been lying for 2 years. But its also possible she told the truth, and no one believed her. Maybe they thought she was trying to protect him. I have no idea. I was wondering if there was any information on this, or if she said anything at all. But Im guessing notThe alleged crime was a purely long distance / digital communication.
Innocent until proven guilty has really become a thing of the past and the court of public opinion is stronger than ever.
The actor is very weird looking. His roles are often aliens or something along those lines. Its weird a teen girl or whatever would be so in love with him
The alleged crime was a purely long distance / digital communication.
The police/DA can and presumably have (the hundreds of slides of comms mentioned in the article) requested transmission records from phone/internet providers from her phone.
They would have the original Cameo video he sent that was requested and paid for.
If any of the messages she had that were supposedly from him actually were, it can be proven with those records.
This is information that can be and is received with a warrant all the time.
Basically, thats what I wanted to know. I want to know what she has been saying officially. Has she backed up the claims against him, or did she tell the truth, and no one believed her? It has she just been radio silent the whole time?I can't see how she could without giving up her anonymity.