Fun fact: Moltres's moveset sucks in Gen 1 because of a programming oversight

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Current Events » Fun fact: Moltres's moveset sucks in Gen 1 because of a programming oversight
It's supposed to learn Fire Blast at level 51, but a programmer made an error and accidentally had it learn Leer because their index numbers or whatever are right next to each other

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Gotta love Gen 1 glitches and oversights >_>
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Feel like all of gen 1 is a programming oversight
How quaint.
Bullet_Wing posted...
Wasn't fire blast a buyable TM though? Flamethrower would have been better
It was a tm that could only be gotten after beating Blaine.
C_Pain posted...
Feel like all of gen 1 is a programming oversight
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Makes sense, Zapdos got Thunder at 51 and Articuno gets Blizzard at 51, but Moltres gets fucking Leer at 51 lol
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Wasn't fire blast a buyable TM though? Flamethrower would have been better
It was a one-time only TM. Once you taught it to a pokmon, you no longer had access to it.
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On the bright side I heard people eventually started using Moltres in old gens' OU.
Something about having it hold charcoal and spamming Fire Blast.
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It feels like Gen 1 was held together with twine and chewing gum the more we learn about how al dente the spaghetti code actually was. Glad Game Freak has learned how to properly program since then. /s
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Oh, I thought it was a game corner TM for some reason

It is in Gen 2.
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Gen 1 was so buggy it's amazing these game ever got popular

At least half the shit doesn't do what it's supposed to
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Wasn't fire blast a buyable TM though? Flamethrower would have been better

Only the one Fire Blast TM (from Blaine) was available. In fact, this was the only Fire-type TM move in gen 1.
It's wild how Pokemon became such a massive success when the 1st game was such a mess of programming lol.
Srk700 posted...
It's wild how Pokemon became such a massive success when the 1st game was such a mess of programming lol.
It was back during the time when no one gave a crap about glitches, so it makes sense.
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NeonOPPAl posted...
It's supposed to learn Fire Blast at level 51, but a programmer made an error and accidentally had it learn Leer because their index numbers or whatever are right next to each other


Interestingly enough, despite them fixing some movesets from R/B/G to Yellow, they didn't fix Moltres in Yellow.
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Moltres moveset got better because of that oversight though. It could learn Fire Blast through TM. It would never have learned Leer otherwise. Getting an additional move is better than not getting that additional move tbh
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Wasn't fire blast a buyable TM though? Flamethrower would have been better
Fire Blast, yes. Flamethrower on the other hand, could only be put onto Moltres by trading back from Gen 2.
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
On the bright side I heard people eventually started using Moltres in old gens' OU.
Something about having it hold charcoal and spamming Fire Blast.
In Gen 1 Fire Spin is also involved since Burn + trapping moves are surprisingly good.

In Gen 3 it's bread and butter is Fire Blast but its only so good because Fire is a pretty good offensive typing against some of the nastier mons in the tier, and it has Will-o-Wisp to back it up
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Irony posted...
Hopefully that programmer was fired and never got a job again
Thats a QA issue tbh
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dont know why but I appreciate the pokemon lore from neon
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I just love Gen 1 Pokemon for all its quirks
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Agent_Stroud posted...
It feels like Gen 1 was held together with twine and chewing gum the more we learn about how al dente the spaghetti code actually was. Glad Game Freak has learned how to properly program since then. /s
Back then, a lot of the weird coding (not this particular case which was basically the code equivalent of a typo, but speaking generally) was simply being creative in order to work within the limits of the hardware.
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Srk700 posted...
It's wild how Pokemon became such a massive success when the 1st game was such a mess of programming lol.

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Irony posted...
Hopefully that programmer was fired and never got a job again
There would be no programmers if this happened
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There would be no programmers if this happened
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HylianFox posted...
Gen 1 was so buggy it's amazing these game ever got popular

At least half the shit doesn't do what it's supposed to
We were all dumb kids that didnt know any better and it was still fun.
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There's all sorts of shit like that in Gen 1. Like the Toxic move messing with leech seed. And speed affecting crit rate. Also Psychic is supposed to be weak to Ghost move, but they're actually completely immune.
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wanderingshade posted...
There's all sorts of shit like that in Gen 1. Like the Toxic move messing with leech seed. And speed affecting crit rate. Also Psychic is supposed to be weak to Ghost move, but they're actually completely immune.
Even if the ghost immunity was corrected, literally the only damaging ghost move is Lick. Psychics are shaking in their boots over that >_>
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I'm playing Pokemon Yellow currently and honestly unless you're really paying attention to them most glitches you probably wouldn't notice on a casual playthrough. Somethings are dumb/weird/broken in retrospect but they're still playable games.
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Moltres has always been by far the worst of the three birds anyway.
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In gen 1, if you level up a Pikachu or Eevee during battle and end that fight with your Growlithe on the field, they'll evolve. This is because Growlithe shares its index number with the Thunderstone.
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Jshipp24 posted...
I'm playing Pokemon Yellow currently and honestly unless you're really paying attention to them most glitches you probably wouldn't notice on a casual playthrough. Somethings are dumb/weird/broken in retrospect but they're still playable games.

Here's a fun one. Try going to the Pewter City Pokemon Center and talking to the Jigglypuff. Then, without talking to Pikachu, go over by the Cable Club and walk up and down for a few minutes. The game will corrupt itself because it REALLY doesn't like Pikachu being offscreen.
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HylianFox posted...
Gen 1 was so buggy it's amazing these game ever got popular

At least half the shit doesn't do what it's supposed to

games are still really good fun and the pokemon anime really helped. It was around the time that there were neopets and all kinds of other collectible monsters too.
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Body Slam can't paralyze Normal Pokemon.
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Body Slam can't paralyze Normal Pokemon.
Is that intentionally hard coded in or an accident?
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Doe posted...
Is that intentionally hard coded in or an accident?
Are there other Normal moves that cause paralysis in that gen?

It could just be they somehow spread the "you can't paralyze an Electric type with TW" and accidentally spread it to other types/attacks.

No idea how they would do that but this is Gen One, literally anything is on the table.
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So this thread covers it in addition to being an interesting read of people realizing in real time the simulation of a 20 years old metagame had been wrong thus redefining meta strategies.

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The game is coded so an X type move cannot cause a secondary status condition to an X type Pokmon.
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Doe posted...
Is that intentionally hard coded in or an accident?

Moves in Gen 1 are coded to not be able to inflict status on Pokemon of the same type. Ostensibly, this is so that Electric types can't be paralyzed with Thunder Wave and the like.

Body Slam just happens to be the only move in Gen 1 that can inflict a status not normally tied to its type (edit: and Twinneedle).
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