Are the Star Wars prequels a better love story than Twilight?

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I don't know, I've never seen Twilight.
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I'm not sure I'd call either of them a love story.
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I haven't seen Twilight, I have seen the Star Wars Prequels
and I can't imagine Twilight having a worse love story
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GetMagnaCarter posted...
I haven't seen Twilight, I have seen the Star Wars Prequels
and I can't imagine Twilight having a worse love story


A really old vampire married a teenager in Twilight vs Space Satan.
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Twilight was a bit cringe, but not prequels levels of cringe. I can actually understand what Bella sees in Edward , but not what Padme saw in Anakin (at least in the movies, CW Anakin I totally understand).
GetMagnaCarter posted...
I haven't seen Twilight, I have seen the Star Wars Prequels
and I can't imagine Twilight having a worse love story
This.

The prequels are a story about a space-princess falling in love with a mass murderer who she used to babysit as a child and who openly espouses fascist dictatorial views, then is shocked and horrified when he commits a second mass-killing and joins a budding fascist dictatorship.

You have to be trying pretty hard to top that.
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darkknight109 posted...

This.

The prequels are a story about a space-princess falling in love with a mass murderer who she used to babysit as a child and who openly espouses fascist dictatorial views, then is shocked and horrified when he commits a second mass-killing and joins a budding fascist dictatorship.

You have to be trying pretty hard to top that.


They were only like 4 years apart. It wasn't like she was 20 and she knew him when he was a baby.
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Revelation34 posted...
They were only like 4 years apart. It wasn't like she was 20 and she knew him when he was a baby.
Five, actually. Which is still, like, the least-weird thing about their relationship.

Also, I swear that Lucas only made Padme (played by a then-18-year-old Natalie Portman) 14-years-old after filming wrapped up in order to make the eventual romance between her and Anakin mildly less creepy, even though it necessitates that the audience believe an entire planet voluntarily elected a 14-year-old as their head-of-state.
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Revelation34 posted...
They were only like 4 years apart. It wasn't like she was 20 and she knew him when he was a baby.

A 5-year age gap between people that met as adults is nothing of note (heck, I'm 6 years older than my girlfriend). A 5-year age gap between people who met when one was 14 and the other was 9 years old is another story entirely. It's somewhat mitigated by the fact that they reconnected as adults later and she didn't watch him grow up, but there's still some heckin' creepo going on there.

darkknight109 posted...
even though it necessitates that the audience believe an entire planet voluntarily elected a 14-year-old as their head-of-state.

It's been a while since I watched the PT, was she actually elected? As queen/princess I figured it was more of a monarchy situation and they didn't really have a choice but to accept her.
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adjl posted...
It's been a while since I watched the PT, was she actually elected? As queen/princess I figured it was more of a monarchy situation and they didn't really have a choice but to accept her.
Yep, she is elected.

I don't think it's directly raised in TPM and when I first watched it I assumed the same - she was a hereditary monarch (presumably assisted by elected officials), which would make the situation much more believable. But then in Attack of the Clones she reveals that she was elected and that she became a senator after her "two terms" were up, making her analogous more to an American president than an actual queen.
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adjl posted...
A 5-year age gap between people that met as adults is nothing of note (heck, I'm 6 years older than my girlfriend). A 5-year age gap between people who met when one was 14 and the other was 9 years old is another story entirely. It's somewhat mitigated by the fact that they reconnected as adults later and she didn't watch him grow up, but there's still some heckin' creepo going on there.

It's been a while since I watched the PT, was she actually elected? As queen/princess I figured it was more of a monarchy situation and they didn't really have a choice but to accept her.

IIRC they're elected and have term limits but they are not expected to be anything but figureheads, and the candidates are all teenage girls because their main job is to look pretty
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adjl posted...


A 5-year age gap between people that met as adults is nothing of note (heck, I'm 6 years older than my girlfriend). A 5-year age gap between people who met when one was 14 and the other was 9 years old is another story entirely. It's somewhat mitigated by the fact that they reconnected as adults later and she didn't watch him grow up, but there's still some heckin' creepo going on there.

It's been a while since I watched the PT, was she actually elected? As queen/princess I figured it was more of a monarchy situation and they didn't really have a choice but to accept her.


Yeah it's definitely weird that kids that met each other as kids have kids later in life.
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Revelation34 posted...
Yeah it's definitely weird that kids that met each other as kids have kids later in life.
Again, Padme was a teenager doing an adult's job while Anakin was a prepubescent that she did her best to mother while she was with him.

Yes, it is absolutely creepy for that to turn romantic.
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darkknight109 posted...
Also, I swear that Lucas only made Padme (played by a then-18-year-old Natalie Portman) 14-years-old after filming wrapped up in order to make the eventual romance between her and Anakin mildly less creepy, even though it necessitates that the audience believe an entire planet voluntarily elected a 14-year-old as their head-of-state.

I mean, you're talking about the guy who wanted the Indiana Jones relationship with Marion Ravenwood to have taken place when he was in his mid-20s and she was 12 (her "I was a child!" line was originally meant to be a lot more literal than most people realize). Spielberg apparently objected to the idea, but their final assumption was still that 25-year old Indy hooked up with a 15-year old Marion.

And while it's not as obvious when you cast actors in their 30/40s to play the roles, it's worth noting that there was a (deliberate) 9-year difference between the actors at the time, so even though it was technically removed from the script, it's still fairly plausible that an Indy his in mid-20s could have hooked up with a Marion in her mid-teens.

Lucas never had a problem with the idea of age-gap romance. Probably exacerbated by the fact that we're talking about the 1920s (when people cared less) or outer space (where morality is probably somewhat different). Or maybe just because he's got creepy ideas about what is and isn't acceptable.
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Revelation34 posted...
Yeah it's definitely weird that kids that met each other as kids have kids later in life.

When it comes to questions of romance between them, teenagers and kids are not the same thing. Padme met Anakin at a time when she would have been considering romance (at least generally, if not specifically with him), while he would not have been. He then spent the next 10 years being forbidden from developing romantic attachments to anyone else, after which he reconnected with the pretty girl that was so nice to him when he was a kid and so few other people cared, so of course he developed a crush on her. She, on the other hand, had 5-6 years of normal(ish) adulthood and the emotional maturity that comes with that, and her last interaction with him had amounted to "he seems like a nice kid."

A 24-year-old dating a 19-year-old is already a bit questionable (at least in our world), given the substantial difference in life experience between a fresh adult and somebody who's been adulting for several years and the gap in emotional maturity that often entails. Toss in how impaired Anakin's emotional maturity was and the fact that Padme knew this, and it's more than a little creepy.
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darkknight109 posted...

Again, Padme was a teenager doing an adult's job while Anakin was a prepubescent that she did her best to mother while she was with him.

Yes, it is absolutely creepy for that to turn romantic.


Revelation34 posted...


Yeah it's definitely weird that kids that met each other as kids have kids later in life.


adjl posted...


When it comes to questions of romance between them, teenagers and kids are not the same thing. Padme met Anakin at a time when she would have been considering romance (at least generally, if not specifically with him), while he would not have been. He then spent the next 10 years being forbidden from developing romantic attachments to anyone else, after which he reconnected with the pretty girl that was so nice to him when he was a kid and so few other people cared, so of course he developed a crush on her. She, on the other hand, had 5-6 years of normal(ish) adulthood and the emotional maturity that comes with that, and her last interaction with him had amounted to "he seems like a nice kid."

A 24-year-old dating a 19-year-old is already a bit questionable (at least in our world), given the substantial difference in life experience between a fresh adult and somebody who's been adulting for several years and the gap in emotional maturity that often entails. Toss in how impaired Anakin's emotional maturity was and the fact that Padme knew this, and it's more than a little creepy.


Revelation34 posted...


Yeah it's definitely weird that kids that met each other as kids have kids later in life.
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You all know Anakin used the force on Padme to influence her, right?
The relationship was weird cause it is weird. It's a teenage/young-adult boy convincing his crush to love him.
You notice how she just kinda flips? There's the awkward ass scene of rejection, and then she just all of a sudden loves him??? There's some force persuasion going on there.
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pedro45 posted...
You all know Anakin used the force on Padme to influence her, right?
The relationship was weird cause it is weird. It's a teenage/young-adult boy convincing his crush to love him.
You notice how she just kinda flips? There's the awkward ass scene of rejection, and then she just all of a sudden loves him??? There's some force persuasion going on there.

That wasn't "Force Persuasion", or subtle and clever storytelling. That was Lucas being bad at writing characters. And triply bad at trying to write romance.

Leia falling for Han wasn't much different. He was clearly interested from the start, she constantly rejects him, he molests her a bit, she kisses her brother just to spite him, and then he gets tortured for a while and she suddenly decides she loves him.

The main advantage Han has over Anakin is that Han doesn't get terrible lines like Anakin does (and Harrison Ford is Harrison Ford). But in-universe, Anakin and Padme's relationship actually grows much more organically off-camera because they spend a lot of time on Naboo we just don't see.

Plus, they're horny and dumb, like most young people.
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Revelation34 posted...
Yeah it's definitely weird that kids that met each other as kids have kids later in life.

darkknight109 posted...
Again, Padme was a teenager doing an adult's job while Anakin was a prepubescent that she did her best to mother while she was with him.

Yes, it is absolutely creepy for that to turn romantic.

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the ironic thing about this meme is that Twilight is actually a good love story.
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
the ironic thing about this meme is that Twilight is actually a good love story.


Lol
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
the ironic thing about this meme is that Twilight is actually a good love story.

If you're an overly sheltered 12-year old girl, sure.

I'm honestly convinced Stephenie Meyer wrote it in her middle school notebooks while doodling and ignoring her teachers, and just didn't get around to publishing it until she was much older.

Also, I strongly suspect Bella's original name was "Steph".
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