If someone tries to mug you and you pull a gun and shoot them, you ended the mugging. That doesn't mean people who don't walk around armed cause muggings.
And yes, if someone's a bully and trying to hurt you, fuck "honor." Do whatever you have to to survive and minimize the damage *you* take. If you're going to fight, commit to it. Doesn't matter if it's "dirty," just go all out on his ass. The goal isn't even to hurt him really badly (though that may well be the means to the end you seek), it's to make him afraid to mess with you ever again. Beat the shit out of him, show no mercy, require others to pull you away, let him think you're crazy (heck, above all else, get across the message that you're crazy to him). Instill fear. That's the only way to make it stop.
If you are being physically assaulted and fight back, that is self defense.
I approve of self defense.
No, the best method for minimizing damage is to call for help and to run.
Zeus posted...
No, the best method for minimizing damage is to call for help and to run.
Like you said, this is about consistent bullying. Running away from a fight will just make your life worse from then on as the bully's emboldened and new bullies enticed to join in tormenting you.
Bullies are cowards. They prey on apparent weakness. If you fight back fiercely and hurt one of them, he's going to look for someone easier to pick on.
I ended up fighting bullies several times in school after putting up w/ them for months or even years and hoping it'd get better. Every single time, fighting back instantly made things better.
Maybe it depends on the bully. Not all of them are from broken homes and beaten like you seem to think. Some are pampered little shits used to getting what they want and lording over other kids.
The answer is yes and I voted for it, but I don't like the wording of the option.
No, the best method for minimizing damage is to call for help and to run. While I'm a firm believer in the Second Amendment and Stand Your Ground, I also recognize that it's fucking stupid to take damage in a fight when you could avoid the fight entirely.Different context of time. When I wrote "2017", it's not for some trend. It really mean something.
These days you'd probably just get a criminal record and hurt yourself more than a bully could.I like this answer. I'm gonna remember this the next time my cousin ask for help.
You "should" but any person who's ever done it learned their lesson after realizing they get in just as much trouble if not more than the bully
It's bullshit
No, for countless reasons. First, it usually doesn't work; a lot of bullies are abused at home and, given that they're used to taking beatings from grown-ass men, your candy-ass won't be able to do much to them. Second, it escalates the violence so that one participant might bring weapons in or do something more serious. Third, you might face ramifications for your "self-defense" especially if the other guy gets seriously hurt.
Granted, there are some really wimpy bullies who you can drive off with violence but, in general, violence is the stupidest solution to the problem and usually has worse outcomes than other answers.
Keep in mind most bullies who are willing to take things physical aren't doing it for kicks; they're doing it because there's something seriously fucked up elsewhere in their life
darkknight109 posted...
Keep in mind most bullies who are willing to take things physical aren't doing it for kicks; they're doing it because there's something seriously fucked up elsewhere in their life
Bit reductionist, don't you think? The reason why you were a bully isn't applicable to everybody else.
Not to mention, in the age of "zero tolerance", odds are pretty good the consequences will actually be worse for the bullied than for the bully if they fight back.
Well adjusted kids can certainly bully, but are usually not overly physical with it.
What hugbox country did you grow up in?
The answer to violence is violence, great.
This isn't comparable to self-defence in a serious, dire situation. I don't think people should be voting that folks should fight back just because they believe 'One should learn to handle their own problems'.
Also, the "This is [CURRENT YEAR]" trend is stupid.
If I have kids and if they are being bullied, I will tell them to fight back, and that if they get in trouble for it I will stand up for them 100%. When it happened to me, I punched the guy doing it in the face and it never happened again. They only pick on people they think are weak. If you show them you aren't, they won't bother you.
Dikitain posted...
If I have kids and if they are being bullied, I will tell them to fight back, and that if they get in trouble for it I will stand up for them 100%. When it happened to me, I punched the guy doing it in the face and it never happened again. They only pick on people they think are weak. If you show them you aren't, they won't bother you.
You'll become one of those parents who gets too much involved in their kid's issues
Yes when you're a kid, no when you're an adult.
fettster777 posted...
Yes when you're a kid, no when you're an adult.
What's the response if you're an adult?
spooky96 posted...
Dikitain posted...
If I have kids and if they are being bullied, I will tell them to fight back, and that if they get in trouble for it I will stand up for them 100%. When it happened to me, I punched the guy doing it in the face and it never happened again. They only pick on people they think are weak. If you show them you aren't, they won't bother you.
You'll become one of those parents who gets too much involved in their kid's issues
"Too much involved?" It is my fucking kid.
If they are doing fine on their own, sure, I won't bother them or force myself into parts of their life they don't want me in. However, if they need me I will be there for them.
You sound like the kind of person who would rather their kid die in a ditch then be a parent.
fettster777 posted...
Yes when you're a kid, no when you're an adult.
What's the response if you're an adult?
Everyone wants justice for their kids. This doesn't mean I'll show up at the school and complain to the teachers every now and then and say X and Y were bullying my kids. See this from the school's perspective. They have absolutely no way telling who initiated physically. If both kids hit each other, THEY have to punish both.
Dikitain posted...
spooky96 posted...
Dikitain posted...
If I have kids and if they are being bullied, I will tell them to fight back, and that if they get in trouble for it I will stand up for them 100%. When it happened to me, I punched the guy doing it in the face and it never happened again. They only pick on people they think are weak. If you show them you aren't, they won't bother you.
You'll become one of those parents who gets too much involved in their kid's issues
"Too much involved?" It is my fucking kid.
If they are doing fine on their own, sure, I won't bother them or force myself into parts of their life they don't want me in. However, if they need me I will be there for them.
You sound like the kind of person who would rather their kid die in a ditch then be a parent.
Everyone wants justice for their kids. This doesn't mean I'll show up at the school and complain to the teachers every now and then and say X and Y were bullying my kids. See this from the school's perspective. They have absolutely no way telling who initiated physically. If both kids hit each other, THEY have to punish both.
But yeah, you'd just talk to the school's principal just because your kid can't tell a lie and is a direct descendant of Mahatma Gandhi.
Veedrock- posted...
fettster777 posted...
Yes when you're a kid, no when you're an adult.
What's the response if you're an adult?
If you are getting bullied as an adult I don't know what to tell you. Maybe hang out with better people?
Veedrock- posted...
fettster777 posted...
Yes when you're a kid, no when you're an adult.
What's the response if you're an adult?
Police.
Dikitain posted...
Veedrock- posted...
fettster777 posted...
Yes when you're a kid, no when you're an adult.
What's the response if you're an adult?
If you are getting bullied as an adult I don't know what to tell you. Maybe hang out with better people?
Since when are bullies restricted to people you hang out with?