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I still like PM64 more than TTYD

PM64 hits the finest balance of classic JRPG goodness. The music, the chapters, the upgrades. It's delightful

TTYD is very good, but I feel every chapter is missing a little something. Even Chapter 3 (The best TTYD chapter) felt a little weaker. They trimmed the backtrack a bit, but it's still very prevalent

Combat tho...why the fuck did Nintendo stop doing this? It's so good and very solid to boot. Throughout the game I'm thinking ' Wouldn't it be cool is this classic Mario enemy was in this game'

The remixed music is fucking garbage and I turned that shit off asap, HOWEVER some of the brand new music that squeaked in was actually kinda nice.

I won't replay it for another 1000 years, so here's a Official Chapter Tier list

S Tier:
64 Chapter 3
64 Chapter 5
64 Chapter 8

A Tier:
64 Chapter 1
TTYD Chapter 3
TTYD Chapter 7
TTYD Chapter 8

B Tier:
64 Chapter 2
64 Chapter 4
64 Chapter 6
64 Chapter 7
TTYD Chapter 1
TTYD Chapter 6 ( Remake made this chapter beautiful)

C Tier:
TTYD Chapter 2
TTYD Chapter 4 ( Borderline D Tier if not for Vivian and the initial trek)

D Tier:

TTYD Chapter 5 ( Poor man 64 Chapter 5)

TL:DR, Bring back TTYD combat Nintendo, it's too good to not be expanded

it's one of the most overrated games ever tbh, but it's still very good. the level design is just total ass in most chapters

and yeah the new music tracks they added mostly bang, but after how great Origami King's music was that ain't a surprise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKjF36pUjA

PowerOats posted...

I still like PM64 more than TTYD

This is pure nostalgia speaking here

I agree too. TTYD is great but the 64 game will remain my top favorite in the series. TTYD may have some great combat system improvements but I enjoy the area design (pacing) and soundtrack a lot better in 64. Also the Peach segments are better.

refmon posted...

This is pure nostalgia speaking here

actually it's just correct

i like both, but i think i prefer 64's environments, pacing, and that sweet sweet spin move

PowerOats posted...

The remixed music is fucking garbage and I turned that shit off asap, HOWEVER some of the brand new music that squeaked in was actually kinda nice.

I don't know if this counts as remixed or new, but the variety in battle themes by chapter was amazing and also the new credits bgm was so good

it's cool seeing so many takes on the same battle bgm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFspeYNOkvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCAAgEl2p4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbLdZx3VFKQ

I prefer the remake's music overall, but there are some individual tracks where I like the original more. The biggest downgrade is definitely the theme that plays in the intro cutscene when Peach gets the map, because they actually cut out part of it.

I prefer PM64's story and areas, but TTYD has the superior gameplay.

Combat (including greatly improving partners and badges) and writing put TTYD ahead for me.

I thought the remixed music was inferior for the most part, but I will say that I rather liked how the music in the room with the thousand year door gradually changed with each chapter.

I didn't know the battle music changed for every chapter in the remixes until after I beat it. Very Cool, but I'm not a fan of it. A lot of the Remixes TTYD music is too busy, with some being straight up bad. It messes up the vibe

It's how I feel about everything post TTYD.

I still can't believe they never remade 64, but it might be for the best

Both games are great. Not unplayable like Origarbage King was.

refmon posted...

This is pure nostalgia speaking here

TTYD used to be one of my favorite games of all time and I bought the remaster on Switch, and I did not like it as much as when I replayed the N64 Paper Mario on Switch VC. So I'm evidence that its not, lol.

TTYD purposefully disrespects your time so much it really brings it down. The combat isn't that much better and the dialogue gets held back by their incessant need to disrespect the player.

SMRPG > 64 >>> TTYD.
I'm not sure where I'd fit SPM, but definitely above TTYD.

Yeah I'm in the same boat, I always liked PM64 far, far far more than TTYD. The story is much better, has higher stakes, and isn't weirdly convoluted like TTYD's is.

Also PM64 has the Z-spin dash, which was removed from TTYD for no good reason.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

TTYD purposefully disrespects your time so much it really brings it down. The combat isn't that much better and the dialogue gets held back by their incessant need to disrespect the player.

SMRPG > 64 >>> TTYD.
I'm not sure where I'd fit SPM, but definitely above TTYD.

For me I'd put Super below TTYD, because Super is even worse at disrespecting players' time.

I played it on Gamecube decades ago and thought it was kind of boring. Battles were repetitive, there is no incentive to fight except to fight more goober battles, and there is so much backtracking. The equipment system is so basic that it barely matters. Why not use badges that just do massive damage instead of badges that do dumb stuff like change sounds.

BakonBitz posted...

For me I'd put Super below TTYD, because Super is even worse at disrespecting players' time.

The only particularly bad part is flopside pit, which, granted, is ridiculously bad. But it's also pretty clearly side content that you're not forced into. TTYD puts it in the way of the main story multiple times.

_____Cait posted...

instead of badges that do dumb stuff like change sounds.

all the ones that have absolutely no combat impact, like the sound effect ones, don't cost any BP, so you're not really using them in place of functional badges, you can have both

that said I agree that the good badges are mostly the boring ones

ChocoboMogALT posted...

The only particularly bad part is flopside pit, which, granted, is ridiculously bad. But it's also pretty clearly side content that you're not forced into. TTYD puts it in the way of the main story multiple times.

So does SPM. Remember the 1,000,000 rubees? Remember having to tell an NPC "please" over and over to get an absurdly long code?

TTYD is way better IMO. It just has way more personality, the humour hits more for me, and the gameplay is more fleshed out. For me its no contest. They are both 10/10 games but TTYD is just better

Enter Chapter 4

Go from Point A to B to C, fight boss
Go from Point C to B to A, get Vivian
Go from Point A to B to C, find the P
Go from Point C to B to A, scare boss
Go from Point A to B to C, finish off boss

End of chapter

I know they added a pipe, but the sting is you have to visit the Steeple 3 times minimum.

I had to force myself to beat the remake. The game could've been 10 hours shorter if they didn't pad it with insane backtracking.

SMRPG reigns as the GOAT!

I can see the argument for liking both, but I definitely prefer TTYD.

It has annoying backtracking bits - Twilight Town is definitely the worst stage in both games - but I'd argue PM has some as well. I think the only thing that makes Shy Guy's and Flower Fields better than Twilight Town is that the levels in PM are just generally smaller, so you don't have to backtrack as much.

TTYD also just has so much more personality to it. Just something simple like giving Toads hairstyles does so much for the game.

PowerOats posted...

Enter Chapter 4

Go from Point A to B to C, fight boss
Go from Point C to B to A, get Vivian
Go from Point A to B to C, find the P
Go from Point C to B to A, scare boss
Go from Point A to B to C, finish off boss

End of chapter

I know they added a pipe, but the sting is you have to visit the Steeple 3 times minimum.

I love TTYD but this part just fucking fucks and it is bizarre to me that they didnt do more to fix it. They couldve added some new areas instead of just making you go to the Steeple three times.

And if the chapter is so short and has so little content why make the Atomic Boo fight optional???

the more i play ttyd the less i like it. so many chapters just suck, and the reduced backtracking exposes how insubstantial some really can be. level design sucks too tbh

the combat is better than 64's but honestly i don't really care. it's so incredibly easy and most of your options suck or are redundant so there's nothing actually exciting about the badge system. it's hard to find bp investment strategic when so many options are not worth using. it's not even just "there are clear best options", it's "these options are basically the same thing but worse". pretty much the only interesting badges are tornado jump (mostly sucks) and fire drive (actually viable)

the game's fine enough. it's nowhere near as bad as super is with wasting your time at least

refmon posted...

This is pure nostalgia speaking here

Being someone who played TTYD first and 64 afterwards, I have to concur.

TTYD was awesome and so addicting to play.
PM64 was... good. Can't say anything better than that, and I find less replay value for it compared to SMRPG or TTYD.

You might say it's nostalgia over TTYD clouding MY judgment, but I dunno about that. I played SPM for the first time only 4-ish years ago, and I'd say that and PM64 were similar in terms of the enjoyment I had.

PM64 is infinitely more replayable than TTYD in my book. there are so many "oh it's THAT level" moments in TTYD it's actually crazy

also 64's vibes are immaculate, from the storybook aesthetic and the music is way better than TTYD's

ChocoboMogALT posted...

The only particularly bad part is flopside pit, which, granted, is ridiculously bad. But it's also pretty clearly side content that you're not forced into. TTYD puts it in the way of the main story multiple times.

There's definitely a lot of main story moments in SPM that solely exist to waste your time, like the passwords in the prehistoric world, working to get the million rubies, the Sammer Guy Kingdom and White Space afterwards...I feel like there's a couple other ones too.

At the very least, the first two I listed can be completely skipped by if you know the answers, but on your first playthrough when you don't...yeah it's annoying and painful.

Evolician posted...

I love TTYD but this part just fucking fucks and it is bizarre to me that they didnt do more to fix it. They couldve added some new areas instead of just making you go to the Steeple three times.

Nintendo doesn't seem to like to do this for their primary IPs. Its just always straight releases