Current Events > AC: Black Flag to maybe remove modem day stuff

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Good, the modern day stuff sucked. Whenever I got to it, I stopped playing for a few days cuz it killed my desire to keep going.

AceMos posted...

ive never played AC but havent fans always hated the modern day stuff yet it stuck around for along time despite constant complaints

Its at most is about 10mins 5 times a game to advance the story.

Now you could remove it and totally rework the assassin guilds and how itball interacts. I think this would work 8n a soft reboot. But if they are remaking old games leave it in

Dark_twisted posted...

Also it reportedly uses the rpg system aka gear and stats

Then it's more reboot than remake and also stupid af.

McmadnessV3 posted...

Does a game like that really need a remake?

no, if anything online 1 needs a remake, the rest of the early game just need to be brought up controls wise for modern times, and bug/ glitches need to be fixed.

I would've really liked a whole AC game taking place in modern day and finally ending Abstergo and then all other games could fully be in the past but i know Ubi will never do that, ever since i've heard of this remake 3+ years ago i've been asking myself why? Black Flag does not need a remake specially so soon, it says that they'll be expanding Mary's role in this, maybe that's what we'll get instead of the "Working for Ubisoft" sections.

Dark_twisted posted...

Also it reportedly uses the rpg system aka gear and stats

I went from so fucking excited to so fucking deflated in the span of 3 posts.

All the articles I'm seeing is "gamers are ANGRY about removing modern day content", and it's clearly sensationalism focusing on a loud minority because almost everyone is fine with this change.

I mean, did anyone like....love the modern sessions?

I think they have their defenders, but after AC3 they kinda hit a wall to the point they spun their wheels. AC3 seems to lead to something with Desmond, only to kinda shut down and completely forget its plot to the point the big bad villain who's released with Desmond's death is literally killed on in a tie-in comic and the modern sessions just become increasingly less interesting.

AceMos posted...

ive never played AC but havent fans always hated the modern day stuff yet it stuck around for along time despite constant complaints

The modern day story is what kept me hooked on the series, until 3. After 3 it was clear they had no idea where to go

SteveRogers33 posted...

The modern day story is what kept me hooked on the series, until 3. After 3 it was clear they had no idea where to go

A good portion of that is because the "father" of the series left during the development of Brotherhood. Then he went to THQ to start a new historical franchise, THQ went under and Ubi bought his studio... and fired him again. He went on to create the game Ancestors: A Humankind Odyssey which is an odd title about our evolutionary ancestors survival.

LightSnake posted...

I mean, did anyone like....love the modern sessions?

I think they have their defenders, but after AC3 they kinda hit a wall to the point they spun their wheels. AC3 seems to lead to something with Desmond, only to kinda shut down and completely forget its plot to the point the big bad villain who's released with Desmond's death is literally killed on in a tie-in comic and the modern sessions just become increasingly less interesting.

I actually liked the ideas of the content in the RPG trilogy more than the execution, to be honest. There's a lot of interesting concepts and while I haven't finished all the DLC for Valhalla, it's probably the most lore-heavy of all of the games up to that point, and does a lot to tie together the existing lore while spot-welding its own new stuff on. Shadows didn't have any modern day outside of stuff about the Animus Hub and some anomalies with it, but with the next title they're supposed to be building more up to something else within the modern day.

AC is such a weird series. It felt like they were building up to a modern day AC starring Desmond, but then they drop it all on a pretty stupid ending and then the modern day stuff got even dumber.

Nemu posted...

AC is such a weird series. It felt like they were building up to a modern day AC starring Desmond, but then they drop it all on a pretty stupid ending and then the modern day stuff got even dumber.

It's genuinely one of the most damaging narrative fumbles in a gaming franchise I've ever seen. The games were hit-and-miss since then, but the modern day aspect was damaged beyond repair.

weird choice tbh. i finally played it earlier this year and never played any of the games after. do the modern games still have outside the animus stuff? i wouldn't mind the new games to just take it out.

for the remake i feel like it'll be better if they just gave the option to skip it.

AceMos posted...

havent fans always hated the modern day stuff

Considering it was the entire justification for exploring historical periods, I don't know how someone would be a fan and hate them pre-AC3, before Ubisoft threw their hands up and destroyed the entire modern storyline for no fucking reason and made sure nothing would ever go anywhere with it. After that I'd say they're universally disliked because everyone knows nothing's going to happen, which is entirely the fault of Ubi and not the modern segments themselves.

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Yes. There's been previous mainline games that have had no modern outside-the-Animus gameplay, only cutscenes or not even that, little brief interludes.

AC1, 2, Brotherhood and 3 all had significant story work in present day material.

Revelations was the first one that didn't, but it did feature stuff that wasn't in the historical setting. Ironically, for a game called Revelations, it didn't really have any... except in the DLC.

Black Flag had first person segments that tied into what the previous games were building up to, as well as direct links to characters involved in the in-Animus story. One of the characters you interact with in the present day stuff is one of several reincarnations of a Precursor/First Civilization/Isu named Aita, and there are three other of the reincarnations in the in-Animus story.

Rogue has the same first person gameplay as Black Flag, but with a different player character.

Unity is the first to have no present day gameplay, only cutscenes and video segments. Syndicate is the same way, no present day gameplay.

Origins introduces us to a new present day player character named Layla Hassan, and actually ties into the live action movie that they did with Michael Fassbender. Her story continues in Odyssey and ends in Valhalla, which actually ties her back in with Desmond working to stop the apocalypse from happening again.

There's no present day gameplay in Mirage, but the character you play is one introduced in the in-Animus gameplay in Valhalla.

There's no present day gameplay in Shadows, but there's some in-Animus content with "anomalies" happening and the player is talked to by some entity about the new Animus Hub stuff as well as the "anomalies."

Hayame_Zero posted...

It's genuinely one of the most damaging narrative fumbles in a gaming franchise I've ever seen. The games were hit-and-miss since then, but the modern day aspect was damaged beyond repair.

Its because Ubisoft course corrects way too far in the other direction when they have complaints. Games were getting stale, lets strip everything and add rpg mechanics. Odyssey and Valhalla had too much Isu stuff, shadows has none.

They can't help themselves in finding a middle ground that would appease both sides of the Fandom when people start to complain

the rpg mechanics are literally the only thing that makes this series fun

I didnt mind the modern day stuff in 1-3, I loved the conspiracy theory/secret society glyphs in 2. I was bummed they didnt lean heavily into that in 3, with all the Masonic imagery in the revolutionary war, it could have worked well with the assassins logo. I was also hoping Benjamin Franklin would have been like the Leonardo Da Vinci character.

this post broke things down in case you don't want to read the the article:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68a89904.jpg

Loot and gear....

"Won't be obvious to players"

Yeah because no one played that fucking game lol

HighSeraph posted...

The biggest problem with the modern day stuff is it's always building up to something huge but it always ended up being a wet fart when they actually got to it.

This for sure. I remember being intrigued by it to start, then let down, then just straight up annoyed at how the modern day stuff just completely slowed down the game and took me from anything I actually wanted to be doing in the game.

Hayame_Zero posted...

All the articles I'm seeing is "gamers are ANGRY about removing modern day content", and it's clearly sensationalism focusing on a loud minority because almost everyone is fine with this change.

Objectively false btw

Nemu posted...

AC is such a weird series. It felt like they were building up to a modern day AC starring Desmond, but then they drop it all on a pretty stupid ending and then the modern day stuff got even dumber.

It definitely felt like they were listening to the fanbase bitching about the modern day constantly and decided to kill it in 3. I was really looking forward to a modern day game with Desmond.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

It definitely felt like they were listening to the fanbase bitching about the modern day constantly and decided to kill it in 3. I was really looking forward to a modern day game with Desmond.

Honestly, I think they probably started doing some preliminary work on a modern AC staring Desmond and realized that they did not know how to maintain the AC feel in a world with semiautomatic and automatic fire arms.

It is just a giant departure mechanically from the series.

Compsognathus posted...

Honestly, I think they probably started doing some preliminary work on a modern AC staring Desmond and realized that they did not know how to maintain the AC feel in a world with semiautomatic and automatic fire arms.

It is just a giant departure mechanically from the series.

unity has semiautomatic guns

unity is also the best traditional assassins creed

syndicate has guns

rogue has guns and a grenade launcher

black flag, too, has semi automatic guns

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

It definitely felt like they were listening to the fanbase bitching about the modern day constantly and decided to kill it in 3. I was really looking forward to a modern day game with Desmond.

I feel like Watch Dogs should have given you a feel for how that would have gone.