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Starks
09/11/25 11:44:45 AM
#464:


Leaving your prints and DNA in sweat behind is pretty stupid.

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wanderingshade
09/11/25 11:45:00 AM
#465:


I'm also suspecting some boogaloo boy false flag bullshit until they actually match fingerprints and find their online footprint.

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LightSnake
09/11/25 11:45:51 AM
#466:


Starks posted...
Leaving your prints and DNA in sweat behind is pretty stupid.

Most criminals aren't smart!

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jefffan
09/11/25 11:45:53 AM
#467:


Shamino posted...
So the killer conveniently left the exact sort of evidence MAGA was hoping he'd leave?

Yeah, don't buy it.

First off, I doubt they got the gun, period. If the dude was smart he had his face masked, so any camera couldn't identify him. He went back to his vehicle, drove to the woods, switched vehicles and destroyed/buried the gun.
He's long gone, probably two states away with no way to track him or the gun.
While not impossible. It's hard for me to believe a college -aged kid ( if true) has access to two cars. Plus there was no mention of finding a car.

That dude lives in the area.

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nocturnal_traveler
09/11/25 11:47:06 AM
#468:


If the shooter does turn out to be trans, there's no convincing me that this wasn't a setup.

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DnDer
09/11/25 11:47:54 AM
#469:


Takuya_Lee posted...
....well that medal is worthless now

It was worthless after Trump tied it around Limbaugh's globular wattles.

Flaming_Fire619 posted...
Resorting to the same tactics that you decry the right for basically proves all the "same thing both sides" people right, and just gives more reasons to point to them and suggest punitive action.

I don't think the equivalence is there. It's not "resorting to the same tactics," no matter how the right wants to paint it. It's complicated (and probably a bit convoluted), but here's my understanding of why it's probably not the equivalence or justification you're suggesting the right has claim to.

First off, and to be clear, I don't believe that political assassination is in any way a valid form of resistance. I can also see, historically, that passive resistance and working within systems eventually fails when the system is monopolized by one ideological force. You will end up with two groups at the end of the day it looks like: those who attempt to navigate the system that's been corrupted, leaving resistance to nothing more than, say, strongly worded letters, and then you'll have others who will feel so disenfranchised and desperate that, in their disenfranchised and desperate minds, they're not "resorting to the same tactics," but operating on a, "means of last resort."

It's terrifying that it escalates like that, because it just ends in so much blood. But we've seen it time and again. France is probably the easiest example to point to, where they eventually felt there was no other recourse, and it turned into one of the darkest times in their history, getting a lot worse before it got better.

And, somehow, a couple hundred years removed from that, we're repeating it. And that should worry us all. But among all that worry, can we really say that acts like this "prove them right" when the place that awful acts like this come from is so different? Nothing justifies or excuses the act of violence like what happened, but understanding the root cause gives us the ability to see that it's not one side being proven right and justifying their attitudes, but that the other side might not see they were left with any options at all. Knowing that, we can move to preempt this from happening again, by giving these people options and giving them legal recourse and giving them agency in a way that prevents anyone from feeling like they need to resort to violence.


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LightSnake
09/11/25 11:48:18 AM
#470:


Shamino posted...
So the killer conveniently left the exact sort of evidence MAGA was hoping he'd leave?

Yeah, don't buy it.

First off, I doubt they got the gun, period. If the dude was smart he had his face masked, so any camera couldn't identify him. He went back to his vehicle, drove to the woods, switched vehicles and destroyed/buried the gun.
He's long gone, probably two states away with no way to track him or the gun.

How is this any difference from Alex Jones commenting on so many other shootings, exactly?

"This is a SETUP! Look at the TIMING! This dude should've acted in the same way as if they were a character in a book written by me!"

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DnDer
09/11/25 11:49:48 AM
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It's too much like the accusations against Luigi. Expect them to make a callback to that sometime soon to keep "tally" on the "left-wing violence."

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BlackScythe0
09/11/25 11:51:08 AM
#472:


LightSnake posted...
How is this any difference from Alex Jones commenting on so many other shootings, exactly?

"This is a SETUP! Look at the TIMING! This dude should've acted in the same way as if they were a character in a book written by me!"

All recent political violence has been perpetrated by conservatives. Alex Jones is a raving lunatic. People being suspicious of news dropped by Stephen Crowder are making the best they can with information available.
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StarFighters76
09/11/25 11:51:16 AM
#473:


Ugh, don't let the shooter be trans. Things are already crazy enough with Trump and his sycophantic fan club immediately blaming the left.

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WingsOfGood
09/11/25 11:51:20 AM
#474:


LightSnake posted...
How is this any difference from Alex Jones commenting on so many other shootings, exactly?

because every accusation is projection

Alex Jones and the whole posse, maybe even Kirk himself (not sure) called false flag over and over

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DnDer
09/11/25 11:51:52 AM
#475:


wanderingshade posted...
I'm also suspecting some boogaloo boy false flag bullshit until they actually match fingerprints and find their online footprint.

Like the ones who got caught during the Floyd protests? I can't remember if they actually killed cops, or just torched a couple cop cars. But I do remember stories of boogaloos in, I think, Hawaiian shirts, doing violence against cops and their property in California during the summer of 2020.

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nocturnal_traveler
09/11/25 11:52:24 AM
#476:


LightSnake posted...
How is this any difference from Alex Jones commenting on so many other shootings, exactly?

"This is a SETUP! Look at the TIMING! This dude should've acted in the same way as if they were a character in a book written by me!"
The difference is that the right has always been caught doing the things they accused the left of doing.

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HipsterSora
09/11/25 11:52:26 AM
#477:


StarFighters76 posted...
Ugh, don't let the shooter be trans. Things are already crazy enough with Trump and his sycophantic fan club immediately blaming the left.
I imagine the speculation comes from the question being asked at the time of shooting.

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LightSnake
09/11/25 11:53:12 AM
#478:


BlackScythe0 posted...
All recent political violence has been perpetrated by conservatives. Alex Jones is a raving lunatic. People being suspicious of news dropped by Stephen Crowder are making the best they can with information available.

Most, not all.

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WingsOfGood
09/11/25 11:54:19 AM
#479:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
The difference is that the right has always been caught doing the things they accused the left of doing.

in addition they said immigrants were eating cats and dogs

then Vance himself admitted he is willing to lie and make up fake stories to advance his agenda

this is on record, history

then we have Trump live at the Whitehouse demanding everyone acknowledge a photoshopped picture of Kilmar Abrego tattoos as undisputable proof of bogus claims
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Scorsese2002
09/11/25 11:55:48 AM
#480:


https://x.com/nypost/status/1966160408718274982?s=46&t=kblUHjD14Xk4ieJPFAQ81A

On a quick break at work so not sure how accurate this is

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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER
09/11/25 11:57:16 AM
#481:


Wonder what these messages say

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SpawnShadow
09/11/25 11:58:06 AM
#482:


Scorsese2002 posted...
https://x.com/nypost/status/1966160408718274982?s=46&t=kblUHjD14Xk4ieJPFAQ81A

On a quick break at work so not sure how accurate this is
Well, The New York Post is a Rupert Murdoch rag, so take it with a dump truck full of salt.

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Kaitouace
09/11/25 11:59:36 AM
#483:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.

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SpawnShadow
09/11/25 12:01:43 PM
#484:


Kaitouace posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.
And he looks like yet another garden variety Gen Z MAGA.

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jefffan
09/11/25 12:02:00 PM
#485:


Oh boy

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nocturnal_traveler
09/11/25 12:02:25 PM
#486:


Kaitouace posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.
Doesn't look trans to me.

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kind9
09/11/25 12:02:59 PM
#487:


Anyone identify that shirt?
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BakonBitz
09/11/25 12:03:06 PM
#488:


Please let the shooter be a straight right-winger so that MAGA can promptly forget this never happened. I want it to be shown just how abhorrent they are that they can sweep something like this under the rug when it involves one of their own.

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LightSnake
09/11/25 12:03:13 PM
#489:


Okay, maybe let's let law enforcement do their jobs and speculate after now that they seem to be closing in on things.

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Starks
09/11/25 12:03:54 PM
#490:


If they have a forearm print, I guess he rolled up his sleeves?

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Solar_Crimson
09/11/25 12:04:01 PM
#491:


Kaitouace posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.
What's up with the timestamp? it's not 4:48pm anywhere in the US right now.

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jefffan
09/11/25 12:04:02 PM
#492:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
Doesn't look trans to me.
He may not be. But if he truly wrote those messages on bullets it's the same thing in the medias eyes unfortunately.

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HighSeraph
09/11/25 12:04:31 PM
#493:


Kaitouace posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.
He'd only look more like he was going to commit a crime if he was wearing a black trench coat

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WingsOfGood
09/11/25 12:04:37 PM
#494:


Kaitouace posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.

what is that on the shirt?

american flag with something in the middle

almost looks like a guy sieg heiling but very blurry, could like an eagle
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jefffan
09/11/25 12:04:44 PM
#495:


Solar_Crimson posted...
What's up with the timestamp? it's not 4:48pm anywhere in the US right now.
They may have posted it yesterday. If that's a real Twitter account

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Thompson
09/11/25 12:04:54 PM
#496:


Kaitouace posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/042e8c88.jpg

Might be our first clear image of the shooter.
If the image was clearer, we'd see what that black thing on the American flag on his shirt is.

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TheLiarParadox
09/11/25 12:05:29 PM
#497:


Thompson posted...
If the image was clearer, we'd see what that black thing on the American flag on his shirt is.
looks like an eagle

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tripleh213
09/11/25 12:06:43 PM
#498:


Please be MAGA

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MotaroRIP619
09/11/25 12:07:01 PM
#499:


Thompson posted...
If the image was clearer, we'd see what that black thing on the American flag on his shirt is.

Looks like a pistol?
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HipsterSora
09/11/25 12:07:05 PM
#500:


WingsOfGood posted...
what is that on the shirt?

american flag with something in the middle

almost looks like a guy sieg heiling but very blurry, could like an eagle
i see an eagle. the two prominent brown blobs are the wingspan?

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