Current Events > Would you train with Master Roshi to learn martial arts + the Kamehameha?

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Disclaimer: He WILL require you to kidnap a young woman to live in his house as a maid.

No, as he really doesnt teach them anything to my knowledge.

Mistere_Man posted...

No, as he really doesnt teach them anything to my knowledge.

correct

Yeah he'd be a great teacher. His whole entire thing is discipline and movement, and that's something a lot of people need.

Roshi was more like strength training and pushing their bodies to their current limits

I think gohan taught goku more like martial arts techniques and krillin was a monk? And learn from there iirc

but besides the kamehameha, roshi just strengthened their bodies

TMOG posted...

He WILL require you to kidnap a young woman to live in his house as a maid.

No, thanks. I won't help Roshi make his own Epstein island.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Yeah he'd be a great teacher. His whole entire thing is discipline and movement, and that's something a lot of people need.

Roshi is about as far from disciplined as you can get. That was literally the joke.

Biofighter55 posted...

Roshi was more like strength training and pushing their bodies to their current limits

I think gohan taught goku more like martial arts techniques and krillin was a monk? And learn from there iirc

but besides the kamehameha, roshi just strengthened their bodies

granted roshi training is why goku would surpass vegeta because he emphasized rest and relaxation

which Goku took seriously

ellis123 posted...

Roshi is about as far from disciplined as you can get. That was literally the joke.

Yeah he's shitty with women and he takes his own martial arts training for granted cause he's been the world's best for decades but he's amazing at imparting those principles onto others even though he himself no longer lives them. You'll notice that the majority of his training for Goku and krillin was forcing them to wake up early in the morning and just do chores while wearing heavier and heavier weighted turtle shells. Waking up early, performing routine tasks, all the while pushing your physical limits is about as disciplined as most can get.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Yeah he's shitty with women and he takes his own martial arts training for granted cause he's been the world's best for decades but he's amazing at imparting those principles onto others even though he himself no longer lives them. You'll notice that the majority of his training for Goku and krillin was forcing them to wake up early in the morning and just do chores while wearing heavier and heavier weighted turtle shells. Waking up early, performing routine tasks, all the while pushing your physical limits is about as disciplined as most can get.

It's also worth noting that Roshi is largely responsible for changing Krillin from being a piece of shit asshole into a fine upstanding responsible man who could land and appreciate a strong woman like #18.

Yeah his friendship with Goku helped but Roshi's influence cannot be ignored as he didn't raise those boys to act the same as he himself acts.

Enclave posted...

It's also worth noting that Roshi is largely responsible for changing Krillin from being a piece of shit asshole into a fine upstanding responsible man who could land and appreciate a strong woman like #18.

Yeah his friendship with Goku helped but Roshi's influence cannot be ignored as he didn't raise those boys to act the same as he himself acts.

do as I say not as I do?

also he knew how strong he made them for the world tournament and came out of retirement specifically to beat them so they wouldnt get cocky and overconfident

A_Good_Boy posted...

Yeah he's shitty with women and he takes his own martial arts training for granted cause he's been the world's best for decades but he's amazing at imparting those principles onto others even though he himself no longer lives them. You'll notice that the majority of his training for Goku and krillin was forcing them to wake up early in the morning and just do chores while wearing heavier and heavier weighted turtle shells. Waking up early, performing routine tasks, all the while pushing your physical limits is about as disciplined as most can get.

Yet Goku immediately did everything (barring the strength bit) and thus never learned discipline from Roshi and Krillin immediately cheated until he figured out everything from Goku.

No matter how you shake it neither of them learned jack crap from Roshi. While that wouldn't make him a bad teacher inherently, the fact that he clearly was a crap teacher on top of neither student learning anything from him tales precedence.

Mistere_Man posted...

No, as he really doesnt teach them anything to my knowledge.

Krillin is/was the world's strongest human as a direct result of Roshi's training.

Biofighter55 posted...

do as I say not as I do?

Lol, pretty much. Say what awful shit you want about Roshi as he deserves it but he at least tried to raise those boys right.

roshi can still fuck up some aliens who, by all rights, should just be able to kill him with an energy blast

when he moonlights as jackie chun, he destroys everyone then too

https://www.cbr.com/dragon-ball-master-roshi-jackie-chun-explained/

I wouldn't argue with Ellis. He knows everything apparently and can never wrong

Biofighter55 posted...

Roshi was more like strength training and pushing their bodies to their current limits

I think gohan taught goku more like martial arts techniques and krillin was a monk? And learn from there iirc

but besides the kamehameha, roshi just strengthened their bodies

he didn't really teach them the kamehameha anyway, Goku learned it before the training and Krillin learned it on his own. But yeah the training was moreso the basics and discipline, more than straight up martial arts forms or techniques

Biofighter55 posted...

do as I say not as I do?

also he knew how strong he made them for the world tournament and came out of retirement specifically to beat them so they wouldnt get cocky and overconfident

Yeah exactly. It's like personally Roshi is lazy, undisciplined, and a pervert, but those aren't qualities he imparts into his students. Roshi doesn't care anymore cause he doesn't have to but he trains his students to give a shit and be disciplined. And considering who his students are I think that shows he's a pretty good teacher.

To be fair, Roshi wasn't actually taking their training serious. He never wanted to train then and was just keeping them busy while he fucked around lol. I think training from him would actually be valuable if he was taking it serious.

Roshi didnt really even teach the Kamehameha to anyone. He uses it once and Goku just learns it himself on the fly. Kuririn and Yamcha seem to learn it on their own as well.

As for Kuririn becoming a mode citizen, Id attribute that more to Gokus influence than anything. Goku brings out the better side of people throughout DB & DBZ.

As some have noted, Roshis teaching were more about discipline and his philosophy on lifestyle (move well, study well, play well, eat well, rest well). And it clearly had an effect on his students, they all revere him.

mehmeh1 posted...

he didn't really teach them the kamehameha anyway, Goku learned it before the training and Krillin learned it on his own. But yeah the training was moreso the basics and discipline, more than straight up martial arts forms or techniques

And also, Goku and Krillin were both already martial arts masters. Goku had spent all of his life up until Gohan died learning from him and he was a master that trained with Roshi. Krillin joined with Roshi cause he had already learned all he could from his shoulin school and he took up with Roshi so he could gain even more experience. That's why he has those dots. So yeah Roshi skimped on the martial arts training cause his students didn't need it. Both Goku and Krillin were already moving faster than Olympians and were shrugging off small arms fire prior to their hermit training, so Roshi taught them how to move better cause they didn't have that training from Roshi.

One thing that definitely annoys me though is Roshi never teaching Krillin the only known Human transformation, Max Power.

If Toriyama wanted to he easily could have had Krillin keep up with the Saiyans with Max Power and maybe combining it with Kaioken.

NoxObscuras posted...

To be fair, Roshi wasn't actually taking their training serious. He never wanted to train then and was just keeping them busy while he fucked around lol. I think training from him would actually be valuable if he was taking it serious.

you say this, but roshi expressly fought in the tournaments under an alias to teach his students that there's always someone stronger than them, so they should always be training.

Enclave posted...

One thing that definitely annoys me though is Roshi never teaching Krillin the only known Human transformation, Max Power.

If Toriyama wanted to he easily could have had Krillin keep up with the Saiyans with Max Power and maybe combining it with Kaioken.

This is DBZ wiki/databook stuff. Max Power was literally just Roshi using his full power, but dbz fans love to turn everything into some kind of mode or technique or forma de estoesto

Evening_Dragon posted...

This is DBZ wiki/databook stuff. Max Power was literally just Roshi using his full power, but dbz fans love to turn everything into some kind of mode or technique or forma de estoesto

Wikis and Databooks are often bullshit and shouldn't be used as anything authorative.

It looks like a transformation, it acts like a transformation, it's a transformation.

Enclave posted...

Wikis and Databooks are often bullshit and shouldn't be used as anything authorative.

It looks like a transformation, it acts like a transformation, it's a transformation.

It's.... it's his muscles getting bigger cause he's using all his power. Lots of people do that.

Evening_Dragon posted...

It's.... it's his muscles getting bigger cause he's using all his power. Lots of people do that.

Which is treated as a transformation when Saiyans do it but not Humans?

Enclave posted...

Which is treated as a transformation when Saiyans do it but not Humans?

It's usually cause Roshi's body is matching his chi cause the only time he does it is when he's doing the kamehameha.

Enclave posted...

Which is treated as a transformation when Saiyans do it but not Humans?

Who's treating it as a transformation when the saiyans do it?

I do like this quote from Master Roshi.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/36c25e2b.jpg

Evening_Dragon posted...

Who's treating it as a transformation when the saiyans do it?

You're literally going to "Umm actually" ascended super saiyan because the wiki says it's not actually a transformation even though it's definitely treated as one and is distinctly different from base Super Saiyan.

Has a distinctly different look, increases stats, does everything a transformation does.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Evening_Dragon posted...

Who's treating it as a transformation when the saiyans do it?

The Saiyans are

IIRC they specifically call it a flawed transformation beyond Super Saiyan when Trunks gets muscley to try and fight Cell

Enclave posted...

You're literally going to "Umm actually" ascended super saiyan because the wiki says it's not actually a transformation even though it's definitely treated as one and is distinctly different from base Super Saiyan.

Has a distinctly different look, increases stats, does everything a transformation does.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

It's just pumping up muscles without the chi to match, so no it's not really a transformation since it's implied anyone can do it but they just don't cause none of its benefits are worth it's drawbacks.

TMOG posted...

The Saiyans are

IIRC they specifically call it a flawed transformation beyond Super Saiyan when Trunks gets muscley to try and fight Cell

iirc cell said its less of a transformation and more like theyre just pumping up their muscles and that anyone can do it and then he does it lol

TMOG posted...

The Saiyans are

IIRC they specifically call it a flawed transformation beyond Super Saiyan when Trunks gets muscley to try and fight Cell

In fairness, they usually refer to it as transcending Super Saiyan. When they emerge from the RoSaT, Trunks says his father broke the Super Saiyan barrier. When Goku does it, he calls it a form. The only mention of the word transform is when Vegeta first does it vs Cell, as Trunks says hes going to transform into it.

That was just a one off, though - they use different language for the most part. Hell, Freeza basically does it, and he just calls it 100% of his full power.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/677fe5f6.jpg

People saying Roshi never trained them weren't paying attention to what most training in this franchise looks like and the philophies often promoted by them.

Enclave posted...

You're literally going to "Umm actually" ascended super saiyan because the wiki says it's not actually a transformation even though it's definitely treated as one and is distinctly different from base Super Saiyan.

Has a distinctly different look, increases stats, does everything a transformation does.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

I don't know that the wiki says it's not actually a transformation, because I don't look at the wiki. Did you just consult the wiki for this, or did you happen to know off-hand?

Powering up and making your muscles bigger is something anyone in the series can do. It's not something learned, nor a technique. it's just something muscles can do in this series. What, do you think Freeza saying "ok I'm going to use all my power", and then having his muscles get bigger, is a technique?

It's the special form Full Power Frieza.

im gonna train w/ Bulma to be smart and make spaceship zoom zoom

Evening_Dragon posted...

I don't know that the wiki says it's not actually a transformation, because I don't look at the wiki. Did you just consult the wiki for this, or did you happen to know off-hand?

Powering up and making your muscles bigger is something anyone in the series can do. It's not something learned, nor a technique. it's just something muscles can do in this series. What, do you think Freeza saying "ok I'm going to use all my power", and then having his muscles get bigger, is a technique?

I would honestly take what the wiki says with a grain of salt

considering they make up shit or do say that cell is user of super saiyan or super saiyan 2 without confirmation

Biofighter55 posted...

I would honestly take what the wiki says with a grain of salt

considering they make up shit or do say that cell is user of super saiyan or super saiyan 2 without confirmation

Also a lot of the stuff is just from the games that was never named as such.

Like Apu has "look its lord Frieza" listed as a technique because thats his special in tenkaichi.

No, because I actually read the disclaimer in the first post.