Current Events > The Last of Us season two, episode 4 topic *spoilers*

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I don't usually make these, but I wanted to for this one just because it has Josh from Drake and Josh right at the beginning of the episode.

I wasn't going to miss this opportunity.

edit: please mark all game spoilers

boxoto posted...

I don't usually make these, but I wanted to for this one just because it has Josh from Drake and Josh right at the beginning of the episode.

I wasn't going to miss this opportunity.

My wife was literally like "Is that Josh Peck?".

lol, that was basically the same as me.

aww, the Take on Me scene.

looks like we might not hear the Future Days stuff until later, if at all.

Just started watching, but I'm curious what the show is going to do with the Tommy character since some changes were made with what he's doing.

Im not digging this season. I dont hate bella ramsey as an actress but shes not a good ellie. Also, in intense moments she does this weird underbite face and it takes me out of it.

Ellie and Dina in the game have this relationship where Dina is supporting Ellie and it feels like Ellie is getting them in over their heads. Ellie not being heartbroken over Dina being pregnant is a weird choice. It makes their story more compelling. Does Ellie continue to get the justice she deserves she wants or does she turn back now to support the woman she loves?

Idk the show is handling things worse than the game this season. Throughout the game, you feel Joel's weight on everything and he's been dead and i don't feel that in the last two episodes.

I like this season, but idk if I'm being a fanboy, but there's no part, so far, that it did anything better than the game.

all of the extra monologues remind me of The Walking Dead, which got old, for me, but I can take it in smaller doses.

If you listen carefully you can hear Jeffery Wright say "Drake Bell sends his regards" before he tosses the grenade.

boxoto posted...

I like this season, but idk if I'm being a fanboy, but there's no part, so far, that it did anything better than the game.

all of the extra monologues remind me of The Walking Dead, which got old, for me, but I can take it in smaller doses.

I enjoyed both games. I think narratively they are some of the best games ever made. I agree with you 100%. I enjoyed the changes in the first season because its impossible to makes the shows 1:1. The show handles everything a lot worse than the games.

The one things I can think of right now the show did better imo is the Dina/Joel relationship. Gave her more reason to leave with Ellie.

MonkeyBones23 posted...

The one things I can think of right now the show did better imo is the Dina/Joel relationship. Gave her more reason to leave with Ellie.

I liked how the game did it more. I think it showed that Dina didn't need to have anything personal in it for her but that she was going because she loved Ellie that much. It was important to Ellie so it was important to her.

It's been a while since I played, but I don't think I was invested enough in their relationship at the beginning of the game to feel that way.

MonkeyBones23 posted...

It's been a while since I played, but I don't think I was invested enough in their relationship at the beginning of the game to feel that way.

Thats fair, i did replay the game because i was hyped for the new season. Its kinda fresh for me

Seattle has no subway but movies and shows always like to give it one

I4NRulez posted...

Thats fair, i did replay the game because i was hyped for the new season. Its kinda fresh for me

See I purposely don't do things like that, because comparing usually doesn't help matters

Episode 4 started off hot but kinda fizzled at the end for me. I think it fizzled after the subway scene.

I didn't like that Dina automatically turned on Ellie after the bite. Dina like her and she points a gun at her face right away. It wasn't like Ellie was going to turn instantly.

I can forgive it though. Maybe she's just panicky.

I didn't like that Ellie was cool with learning that Dina is pregnant and came on this journey with her. In the game Ellie was pissed off.

I didn't like that Ellie was still cool with having Dina come with her even after learning she's pregnant. I understand that TV and video games are different and TV probably needs Ellie to be interacting with someone, but it could have been done differently in my opinion.

Also, Last of Us 2 had a lot of cool side stories like the Seattle Bank robbers and the archer guy. It would be cool if those stories were brought into the show as quick cold opens before we get back to the main plot.

bsp77 posted...

See I purposely don't do things like that, because comparing usually doesn't help matters

Eh, one of my favorite franchises is Alien and all the movies are essentially the same story by different directors.

I like seeing how another person interprets the story and how they would tell it. I enjoyed it in the first season and replayed the first one right before it.

one big change I miss from the game, that's hard to ignore:

in the game, Tommy goes off to Seattle before Ellie and Dina do, and once the two get there, they see signs of how much Tommy was bullying the WLF.

dude was like Rambo.

How far into the game is episode 4? I never played the 2nd game. Just wondering how far in we are

maybe about 15-20%

but since the show changed some of the structure around, it might be harder to track.

Zikten posted...

How far into the game is episode 4? I never played the 2nd game. Just wondering how far in we are

Eh its hard to say. Its not far but the game has a lot of extra stuff the show is skipping. If you beeline the story you're probably like 3-4 hours in

burns112233 posted...

I didn't like that Dina automatically turned on Ellie after the bite. Dina like her and she points a gun at her face right away. It wasn't like Ellie was going to turn instantly.

I can forgive it though. Maybe she's just panicky.

It reminded me of that scene during the ending sequence in episode 2. After the infected attack, a man who was bit silently showed the bite, then held the gun to someone to put him down.

She looked like she wanted to make it quick because she loved her, and ellie talking would only make her lose her nerve. Took it as some unwritten rule to "shut up, and accept it" if bit. Worse from her perspective as ellie got bit protecting her.

I didn't like that Ellie was cool with learning that Dina is pregnant and came on this journey with her. In the game Ellie was pissed off.

I didn't like that Ellie was still cool with having Dina come with her even after learning she's pregnant. I understand that TV and video games are different and TV probably needs Ellie to be interacting with someone, but it could have been done differently in my opinion.

Yeah, her getting unhinged/crashing out out isn't being portrayed well right now. She's too chill for a revenge mission, but i know she's supposed to get more blinded by it as this goes on.

Damn this is so good. The sets, Take On Me, still delivering hard on the infected, and Isaac deservedly getting to shine after being so underutilized in the game.

Sonixs posted...

If you listen carefully you can hear Jeffery Wright say "Drake Bell sends his regards" before he tosses the grenade.

Lmao. What happened to Drake Bell anyway? Did he ever go to jail?

MabinogiFan posted...

Lmao. What happened to Drake Bell anyway? Did he ever go to jail?

According to Wikipedia

On June 23, 2021, Bell pleaded guilty to both charges. On July 12, 2021, Bell's accuser, then 19, made a public appearance and statement accusing him of sexually assaulting her while she was underage, in addition to the endangerment charges. Bell was sentenced to two years of probation and 200 hours of community service, which he was permitted to complete in California. He also is not allowed to have any contact with his victim.

I honestly forget about both of those guys until Josh Peck randomly shows up I'm something.

Watching this show is making me want to replay the game.
I did want to try its Grounded difficulty once.

I feel like she should've gave more context to her Dina about being immune. It just felt like it was stated and then that was it.

That could've happened the same way in the game though. I did not actually play the second game.

in the game and the show, it was pretty similar, but instead of Ellie getting bitten, the gas mask she was wearing (in the games, if they enter an area with spores, they put on gasmask looking things) was cracked during the subway encounter with the zombies.

Dina points it out and is about to take off her own mask, for some shared breathing kinda thing, but Ellie stops her, telling her that she's immune, and they escape to the theater like they did in the show.

in the games, once you're infected by the spores, that's it, but for Ellie, she didn't cough from them, so she didn't have to prove her immunity.

here's a link to the scene (it doesn't spoil anything past what we saw in the episode; things just play out differently):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6oAw59IxX8

Only 3 episodes left. I hope season 3 doesn't take another 2 years

I liked that episode, as a non-game player(well, I've played the intro to the first game so far, but that's it).

If they kill Dina off I'm gonna be more sad/pissed than Joel dying

Just started this ep. Anyone else think the Fedra guy telling the story at the start sounded like Matthew Lillard?

Okay that Im pregnant. sex scene was a bit out of left field

Nvm it got worse

This was probably my least favorite episode this season. It wasn't bad at all, but it had some things that felt off. Like Ellie apparently having 0 tactical or survival skills and always having to be held back from certain death by Dina. Previously she was very sharp, analytical, and tactical with Joel. I get that she's also a hot head and blinded by anger, but that's not what we see, since it just takes a few words from Dina to completely alter her plans, like when Ellie wanted to waltz straight up to the wlf building in broad daylight. She just seems much less capable this season than the 1st, which kind of sucks.

Also, Dina immediately turning on Ellie after seeing her bite, and Ellie being confused by Dina's reaction. Both reactions felt out of place and strange, along with Ellie waking up growling at the water drops, then the love scene, and Dina apparently just totally accepting that Ellie is immune after a few hours.

Everything else was good, but a lot of the main plot and characters just kind of felt off this episode I think.

Another good ass episode.

Every episode this season's been really good to great.

I also was kinda disturbed by how quick Dina was willing to off Ellie. I think I heard that part is handled better in the game

as far as Dina turning on Ellie, I felt like she was devastated that her best friend took the hit for her, and wanted to at least give Ellie a "dignified" death before she turned into a monster.

Dina "turning" on Ellie that quickly makes complete sense IMO. Like previously mentioned, you see people instantly offing themselves after the attack on Jackson.

KogaSteelfang posted...

and Dina apparently just totally accepting that Ellie is immune after a few hours.

Even if you haven't full-on turned, the infection is pretty obvious. This is what Tess' looked like after an hour:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b0838188.jpg
I agree with your other points though. This season has kind of dumbed Ellie down quite a lot which is funny how often Druckmann and Mazin talked about how smart she was in the podcast for the first season. I could buy it in the last episode because she was in such a rush to get to Seattle that she didn't think it through, but it's becoming less believable as time goes on.

I also don't think it's bad on its own, but the entire reveal scene here is a definite downgrade from the game. There was just some great desperation on Ellie's part that was obviously missing here.

That said, I do prefer this version's take on Ellie and Dina's relationship. It's a bit weird in the game that they have sex once in the prologue and then the game basically treats them like they're married. The build-up to it here is a bit more natural. It's just a shame that this was where they chose to have it culminate because I think it's just a bit awkward.

Hell, if nothing else, I'd be a bit hesitant sharing fluids with someone who was bitten a few hours ago, immunity or not.

I think the big thing I notice with Ellie in the series compared to the game is a lack of obsession. In the game, its all about killing Abby to the point where after hearing Dina is pregnant she actually gets upset at her. Here, shes thrilled by the news.

Yeah, this comment from the subreddit sums it up.

In general, Ellie in the show is not nearly as obsessed. It's just generally lighter in tone than the absolutely depressing-ass game.

pegusus123456 posted...

Dina "turning" on Ellie that quickly makes complete sense IMO. Like previously mentioned, you see people instantly offing themselves after the attack on Jackson.

Yes, but when at what happened with Riley. They spent time together before they were going to die. Joel and Tess had time to make a decision about what to do. The one we saw get offed in Jackson asked for that, the other person didn't didn't just shoot them instantly unless they were actively being torn apart. Especially in a life or death situation you still haven't escaped from. It just wasn't time to consider killing Ellie, even if she knew she'd have to. Ellie still had time, Ellie still had usefulness, Ellie wouldn't be dangerous for quite a while and Dina still needed her at that point. Sure, could be she was giving up herself and was going to take herself out after, but there wasn't much indication of that. It just didn't make sense for her to turn on Ellie so quickly in that situation, imo anyway.

pegusus123456 posted...

Even if you haven't full-on turned, the infection is pretty obvious. This is what Tess' looked like after an hour:

True, but then is the same girl who was literally ready to blow her head off just moments ago. So she goes from full 100% Ellie has to die mode, to full on Ellie is absolutely completely fine on a quick spot check. Reminds me of that scene from Pitch Black "Looks clear." Then a monster jumps out, and they ask what it looks like and get a "looks clear." Dina just swings completely from one extreme to the other in like 30 seconds. It just didn't feel like a natural reaction to either situation to me.

pegusus123456 posted...

Hell, if nothing else, I'd be a bit hesitant sharing fluids with someone who was bitten a few hours ago, immunity or not.

That's what I'm saying. It took practically nothing to convince Dina that there was no danger whatsoever. She just looks at it for a few seconds and decides it's fine to swap fluids. I get that she was excited to have survived and to learn that Ellie would live, but like, that just wasn't the place for that.

I enjoyed that Ellie got bit protecting Dina, I thought was a nice way to show her... But it feels like everything that followed was a weird fanfic version of the actual characters. It all felt out character and rushed to the conclusion that it wanted to show.

Anyway, rant over.

I just think it makes sense that Dina is panicking in that moment and not thinking clearly.

It also isn't thirty seconds. I'm assuming Ellie slept for a couple of hours at least.

pegusus123456 posted...

I just think it makes sense that Dina is panicking in that moment and not thinking clearly.

It also isn't thirty seconds. I'm assuming Ellie slept for a couple of hours at least.

Sure, to a degree, which is also why I find Ellie's response to Dina's actions dumb too. Look at Joel and Tess, even when it was clear she had been infected they still took time to decide on what to do and she used her remaining time to help them excape. But, while I don't think it fits with Dina's character at all, it wasn't an unreasonable action and Ellie had to know that was a possibility.

And the 30 seconds thing was about how long she actually checked Ellie out, not how long she slept. I assume it was a couple of hours too, but it was still night at that point so it couldn't have been more than a few. Too few imo for a quick once over to clear things up like it did and have Dina sleep as the little spoon to someone freshly bitten. Up till then, Dina had been the level headed one who made rational decisions, but that particular set of decisions didn't feel like they fit with anything we've seen of her character so far.

You know, looking at the opening scene again.

Is it possible Hanrahan, the woman Isaac meets, is the prophet? Admittedly not basing this on much beyond her having grey streaks in her hair.

Hell, if nothing else, I'd be a bit hesitant sharing fluids with someone who was bitten a few hours ago, immunity or not.

Good point.

Are we seriously going to just ignore that scene?

KogaSteelfang posted...

Yes, but when at what happened with Riley. They spent time together before they were going to die. Joel and Tess had time to make a decision about what to do. The one we saw get offed in Jackson asked for that, the other person didn't didn't just shoot them instantly unless they were actively being torn apart. Especially in a life or death situation you still haven't escaped from. It just wasn't time to consider killing Ellie, even if she knew she'd have to. Ellie still had time, Ellie still had usefulness, Ellie wouldn't be dangerous for quite a while and Dina still needed her at that point. Sure, could be she was giving up herself and was going to take herself out after, but there wasn't much indication of that. It just didn't make sense for her to turn on Ellie so quickly in that situation, imo anyway.

True, but then is the same girl who was literally ready to blow her head off just moments ago. So she goes from full 100% Ellie has to die mode, to full on Ellie is absolutely completely fine on a quick spot check. Reminds me of that scene from Pitch Black "Looks clear." Then a monster jumps out, and they ask what it looks like and get a "looks clear." Dina just swings completely from one extreme to the other in like 30 seconds. It just didn't feel like a natural reaction to either situation to me.

That's what I'm saying. It took practically nothing to convince Dina that there was no danger whatsoever. She just looks at it for a few seconds and decides it's fine to swap fluids. I get that she was excited to have survived and to learn that Ellie would live, but like, that just wasn't the place for that.

I enjoyed that Ellie got bit protecting Dina, I thought was a nice way to show her... But it feels like everything that followed was a weird fanfic version of the actual characters. It all felt out character and rushed to the conclusion that it wanted to show.

Anyway, rant over.

I agree with you. The way Ellie and Riley were portrayed after becoming infected seemed like the more natural way to react to learning about someone you love getting infected. Even the way Joel reacted to Tess worked. It seemed strange to me that Dina was like fuck you, I'm going to shoot your ass.

I thought this episode started off hot and Jeffrey Wright's scene was cool. The TV station scene was awesome. I kinda wish Ellie or Dina used a glass bottle in the subway to lure the infected to the group because that's what I did in the game, but that scene was good too.

The episode was about a 9/10 for me, but the last moments of the show kinda dropped it for me to about an 8/10.

I liked how the game version handled that scene after the subway. I liked that Dina was more caring and trying to help Ellie after thinking she was infected. I liked that Ellie was upset with Dina after learning she's pregnant, thinking she's putting the baby in danger. I liked that there was some jealousy between Ellie and Jesse after learning about the baby. I think another positive aspect about the game was that Ellie seemed more focused about getting her revenge. In the TV show she's like wait... I'm going to be a dad just a short while after learning Dina likes her then it felt like she forgot why she was there and she was like oh yeah... revenge for killing Joel.

pegusus123456 posted...

Hell, if nothing else, I'd be a bit hesitant sharing fluids with someone who was bitten a few hours ago, immunity or not.

Yeah it was almost as bad as the Abby sex scene in the game. I liked TLOU2 but I agree with pretty much everyone else that that scene was cringe and unnecessary.

To quote the Blind Wave guys: " I would be big spoon to the possible zombie."

Josh Peck having a bit cameo as a surprise. I honestly thought he'd have a bigger role.

where did y'all see Josh? i didnt catch him. lol