Current Events > Kathleen Kennedy To Exit as Lucasfilm President At the End of the Year.

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Kathleen Kennedy still staying says CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/media/kathleen-kennedy-star-wars-disney/index.html

Now wondering if this is damage control for a leak or BS.

bobbyrk posted...

Arguably there was too many places for it to go, not a lack.

Not places to go that had any build up. You are supposed to build on the previous movies in a trilogy. The first movie needs to give questions people want answered, the second needs to answer some of those questions and develop other questions which the final movie will answer.

Force Awakens tried to do set up, this is something that Abrams is good at, he just sucks at sticking a landing.

Rian Johnson though seemed determined to "subvert expectations" by rendering Force Awakens mostly completely pointless and so we ended up with an incredibly rushed feeling finale that was pretty much certain to be garbage, I don't think any director could have saved that movie.

Rian Johnson is an incredibly talented director but he was an absolutely terrible choice for the middle movie in a trilogy. If I was to have him involved in a trilogy it would be a trilogy that he was directing all 3 films in so he can make a cohesive story in his own way.

Agreed on the old EU. Aside for like the OG Thrawn trilogy it's pretty craptastic. I much prefer the High Republic books in the new canon tbh.

The new republic era is garbage...the villains are a joke and the Vong were superior, ugh.

Necronmon posted...

The new republic era is garbage...the villains are a joke and the Vong were superior, ugh.

High Republic not New Republic. The High Republic books are centuries before the PT and the Nihil are pretty good villains as is the Path of the Open Hand.

The only New Republic era book that's worth anything is Shadow of the Sith and even then the High Republic books are far superior due to being well removed from the movies.

on the subject of the empire returning

have you not been paying attention to the past decade

the ST was spot on with that

AceMos posted...

on the subject of the empire returning

have you not been paying attention to the past decade

the ST was spot on with that

Tbh my issue here is that TFA starts with basically "well the Empire is back now."

The idea that remnants of the Empire continued to exist after RotJ, were not taken seriously by the New Republic, and eventually rose to power all over again, is a fine idea.

But that's not the movie we got. >_>

I think if they were married to retreading the OT, TFA should've been firmly in the New Republic setting taking on a rising FO. The fall of the New Republic should've been saved for the climax of TLJ, then you can have the Rebels v Empire redux for the last movie.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Tbh my issue here is that TFA starts with basically "well the Empire is back now."

The idea that remnants of the Empire continued to exist after RotJ, were not taken seriously by the New Republic, and eventually rose to power all over again, is a fine idea.

But that's not the movie we got. >_>

I think if they were married to retreading the OT, TFA should've been firmly in the New Republic setting taking on a rising FO. The fall of the New Republic should've been saved for the climax of TLJ, then you can have the Rebels v Empire redux for the last movie.

I think this is a really good point. It's kinda insane to think that not only did they let the Empire just, come back.

The same generation that defeated them are the ones that let it happen.

The EU had some pretty decent stuff, but it was mostly meh with some bad. Nothing never really wowed me. I always take exception to some TLJ/sequel fans who say critics only hate them because they wanted the EU.

As for the Empire returning, it's not bad in theory, but the execution was lacking. I think it would have been more interesting to flip the story and war of the OT by having the big, well armed New Republic fight a small, but fierce and cunning "rebellion" of imperials.

Enclave posted...

Not places to go that had any build up. You are supposed to build on the previous movies in a trilogy. The first movie needs to give questions people want answered, the second needs to answer some of those questions and develop other questions which the final movie will answer.

Force Awakens tried to do set up, this is something that Abrams is good at, he just sucks at sticking a landing.

Rian Johnson though seemed determined to "subvert expectations" by rendering Force Awakens mostly completely pointless

This is not going to be true no matter how many times people try and make this a thing lol. It builds directly off of tfa, you just didn't get the answers you hoped for. Nothing was pointless, everything from movie 1 influences the characters actions in tlj

Toonstrack posted...

This is not going to be true no matter how many times people try and make this a thing lol. It builds directly off of tfa, you just didn't get the answers you hoped for. Nothing was pointless, everything from movie 1 influences the characters actions in tlj

This is commonly said by fans of Last Jedi, I'm pretty used to it and dismiss it just as easily as you dismiss my point.

Enclave posted...

This is commonly said by fans of Last Jedi, I'm pretty used to it and dismiss it just as easily as you dismiss my point.

I didnt dismiss your point. I refuted it. Those arent the same thing.

And people say this because its just objectively true lmao.

In fact, *every* character aside from Luke, Leia and maybe Poe, has their arc defined by the events of TFA. And those are the characters given least to do in TFA.

Toonstrack posted...

I didnt dismiss your point. I refuted it. Those arent the same thing.

And people say this because its just objectively true lmao.

In fact, *every* character aside from Luke, Leia and maybe Poe, has their arc defined by the events of TFA. And those are the characters given least to do in TFA.

You refuted nothing, you simply said I didn't get answers I wanted, that's a dismissal and you know what? I get it, I think everybody is fucking tired as hell at dissecting the problems with that trilogy which is why as time goes on you get less and less meaningful discussion about them because what else is left to say? The movies are bad and we and especially Disney needs to move on.

Toonstrack posted...

This is not going to be true no matter how many times people try and make this a thing lol. It builds directly off of tfa, you just didn't get the answers you hoped for. Nothing was pointless, everything from movie 1 influences the characters actions in tlj

It is pretty established that TLJ subverting most of what TFA sets up was negatively received. Then TROS subverted what TLJ set up (which wasn't much mind you). This sums it up nicely...

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I absolutely hate TLJ, but I could've come around to it if the sequel stuck with that direction and there was some payoff to all the bullshit.

But the TLJ shit on everything and then RoS shit on TLJ and the end result was naturally a pile of shit. >_>

Only thing I disagree with is about ever coming around to TLJ when so much about the movie's 3 subplots aren't realistic, make no sense, are boring, or otherwise disrespecting the OT.

Enclave posted...

You refuted nothing, you simply said I didn't get answers I wanted, that's a dismissal and

Its not tho? Your argument was "the film makes TFA pointless". My counter was "No it doesn't, most of the characters arcs are directly based on the events of TFA"

Like you can't be for real with this. If you can't be arsed to back up the incorrect talking point, just say that. Don't pretend my post doesn't say what it says.

TFA is a good movie, TLJ is a great movie.

Toonstrack posted...

TLJ is a great movie.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I STRONGLY disagree with this. That fact both $ and collective opinions on the Star Wars brand fell after The Last Jedi came out speaks to this.

Charged151 posted...

It is pretty established that TLJ subverting most of what TFA sets up was negatively received.

What did it subvert that TFA set up?

Rhe people who say that are telling you, directly, that they wrote the script in their head and that TLJ simply didn't follow that script.

The movie wasn't negatively recieved by everyone. Just the star wars "fanbase" that s***s on almost anything new that comes out and has for 30 years, is filled with toxicity and bigotry and is completely out of touch with the normal audience.

Charged151 posted...

You are entitled to your opinion, but I STRONGLY disagree with this. That fact both $ and collective opinions on the Star Wars brand fell after The Last Jedi came out speaks to this.

The star wars brand fell? TLJ made well over a billion dollars. The (significantly less good) follow up to TLJ made a billion dollars. The Mandalorian was one of the most popular shoes of its era. That was post TLJ.

Were you around for the post PT era where we had nothing but a panned animated movie and animated series that took 2 seasons to get good?

I was. Trust me, star wars is perfectly fine right now. Its not at the heights it was at its most popular moments, but it's certainly not inthe trenches it once was. Ironically, they are doing most of what the fanbase asked for. The fanbase cannot be appeased.

Toonstrack posted...

What did it subvert that TFA set up?

Rhe people who say that are telling you, directly, that they wrote the script in their head and that TLJ simply didn't follow that script.

Regarding a script, we now know there was no unifying vision, script, or directive for the Sequel Trilogy...and that includes TLJ. Hence, why it isn't surprising it was received so negatively. Heck, the Sequel Trilogy didn't get the multimedia buzz around it that even the PT which was a step down from the OG Trilogy got. It just petered out and we are left with streaming shows.

Toonstrack posted...

The movie wasn't negatively recieved by everyone. Just the star wars "fanbase" that s***s on almost anything new that comes out and has for 30 years, is filled with toxicity and bigotry and is completely out of touch with the normal audience.

Not everyone. Just most people. It surprises me some people think so highly of TLJ when stuff like the slow speed space chase makes no sense (The First Order could have ended it whenever they want).

Granted, even most casual fans didn't like what the movie did with Luke.

Also, it isn't "everything" as you say that long-time fans have been trashing. Stuff like TFA (mostly), Rogue One, Mando's first two seasons, Andor, the Vader comic, and the High Republic stuff (with the Nihil especially) has been pretty well received. The Sequels though...or at least TLJ and ROTS (TFA is mostly good), were just for the most part terrible. Reason: More than anything else, no script/vision/basic idea of what they were to be about. Hence, everything after TFA gets muddled.

So yeah...plan out your next Trilogy Disney.

ReiRei89 posted...

Agreed on the old EU. Aside for like the OG Thrawn trilogy it's pretty craptastic. I much prefer the High Republic books in the new canon tbh.

Really throwing Rogue Squadron under the bus....

What's coming after Andor S2 anyways?

lol Rose

Toonstrack posted...

The star wars brand fell? TLJ made well over a billion dollars. The (significantly less good) follow up to TLJ made a billion dollars. The Mandalorian was one of the most popular shoes of its era. That was post TLJ.

Each movie in the Trilogy made less money than the last and eroded a lot of the goodwill of the fanbase in the process. Primarily TLJ/ROTS I am talking about. I'm glad some of the streaming stuff like the Mandalorian have been successful, but the actual "big stuff" (the movies) have run into issues. The reputation of Star Wars has suffered as a result.

Toonstrack posted...

Were you around for the post PT era where we had nothing but a panned animated movie and animated series that took 2 seasons to get good?

Kid me enjoyed 1 and 3...and I still like them both mostly despite their flaws as an adult. 2 I feel is the weakest and has pacing issues, but has some good moments.

As for the Prequel era as a whole, are you forgetting about the massive resurgence of Star Wars around that time? Tons of great games came out thanks to the Prequels boosting interest in Star Wars again. Both of the KOTOR games, Battlefront 2, Force Unleashed, Rogue Squadron 2, etc. Lots of conventions were going on. The EU was still going strong and putting out interesting stories. There hasn't been a similar resurgence associated with the Sequel Trilogy.

Also, I thought the Clone Wars series was good from the get go. Most of my issues with it came...well, later on. The Mon Cala arc was painful to get through...and it is a crime that in the 7th Season we got a boring arc with the two sisters Ahsoka was hanging out with yet a plot relevant element like Son of Dathomir got demoted to a comic...fail to read that, and you will have no idea how Maul got back in control of Mandalore after Sidious defeated him.

Toonstrack posted...

I was. Trust me, star wars is perfectly fine right now. Its not at the heights it was at its most popular moments, but it's certainly not inthe trenches it once was. Ironically, they are doing most of what the fanbase asked for. The fanbase cannot be appeased.

The Sequel Trilogy failing for the most part is why it fell from those heights from the most part. Despite the Sequel Trilogy damaging the brand and apparently issues with getting new movies greenlit that don't get cancelled soon after though, we agree that we are still getting plenty of good stuff though. As I mentioned in the other post...
-TFA was mostly good (although doesn't look as good in retrospect due to what came after it).
-Rogue One was excellent.
-The Mandalorian's first 2 seasons were excellent. I also enjoyed season 3 even if the mass reaction was mostly negative.
-Andor has been excellent.
-The Vader comic has been excellent.
-The High Republic stuff has also been mostly good.

Now if Star Wars can get back to making movies that are well received, we could get back to those "heights" you mentioned. Hopefully the Mando movie and subsequent Thrawn movie are good.

Charged151 posted...

-The Vader comic has been excellent.

Is Aphra still good?

I was enjoying what I read of her solo series before I fell off comics.

A few things:

• Disney's ST would have benefited from skipping ahead past Luke/Han/Leia's timespan. Their need to fan service the fuck out of the ST meant it was doomed to be "meh" from the start
• The PT also sucked, and TCW didn't "redeem" it at all. It just took a terrible trilogy and expand it in all sorts of boring/useless/laughably bad ways
• Kathleen Kennedy would get 5% of the hate if her name was Kevin Kennedy. The misogyny has been deep for decades

DrizztLink posted...

Is Aphra still good?

I was enjoying what I read of her solo series before I fell off comics.

I am not that familiar with the character outside of seeing her in the 2020 Vader comics (I remember she helped Vader get a shield to control his force powers after they went out of control). I can't speak on her solo series.

Euripides posted...

Disney's ST would have benefited from skipping ahead past Luke/Han/Leia's timespan. Their need to fan service the fuck out of the ST meant it was doomed to be "meh" from the start

If it would have skipped them character assassinating Luke Skywalker, then, well...yeah. It would. Of course, if they still don't actually have a basic plan/vision for a potential trilogy, I don't expect good results.

Euripides posted...

The PT also sucked, and TCW didn't "redeem" it at all. It just took a terrible trilogy and expand it in all sorts of boring/useless/laughably bad ways

Not everyone thought they were bad, particularly if you saw them when you were younger. Others just realized what they got right after time had settled, particularly if you were able to get past Lucas's issues with dialogue. TCW helped to get people to give the movies a second look more than anything else.

Euripides posted...

Kathleen Kennedy would get 5% of the hate if her name was Kevin Kennedy. The misogyny has been deep for decades

It has been a problem in other media than Star Wars, so that isn't unique. Her (and Iger) not having a plan/vision for what the Sequel Trilogy would be and giving a movie each to a different director with no united plan showed she didn't really know how to handle something as big as Star Wars though.

And nothing of value was lost

Toonstrack still hasn't recovered from how bad the sequel trilogy is.

Charged151 posted...

I am not that familiar with the character outside of seeing her in the 2020 Vader comics (I remember she helped Vader get a shield to control his force powers after they went out of control). I can't speak on her solo series.

I recommend the one from around that time. I think she has at least two.

I think at one point she ends up with those two droids who are just "What if Threepio/R2 but they're Josef Mengele and a honey badger in the Iron Patriot suit?"

havean776 posted...

God the chuds are going to be insuffable over this.

As opposed to them being insufferable every single day for the last decade? (at least)

Toonstrack posted...

TFA is a good movie, TLJ is a great movie.

Uh-oh... facts in a SW fan topic? :x

SW fans:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/82a07176.jpg

rise of the sky walker was exactly what fans where asking for

rey has a special bloodline to her

propping up the jedi like they are the grand heros of galaxy who where just absolute perfect saviors with zero flaws in there teachings

a light sabers is super uber important and should not be tossed aside (ignoring that yoda in the OT flat out dismissed them)

the evil sith lord gets a unearned redemption

big flashy battle with robed sith lord

the republic a failed government full of politicians who just do the status que restored

every thing played completely strait

DrizztLink posted...

I recommend the one from around that time. I think she has at least two.

I think at one point she ends up with those two droids who are just "What if Threepio/R2 but they're Josef Mengele and a honey badger in the Iron Patriot suit?"

Thank you for the recommendation. Will look into this.

Departing from the old EU was the single best decision they made. It would have been sacrificing all their freedom, tying themselves to mountains of garbage just for a few good stories, having old nerds spoil every upcoming movie and show, then still complaining about how well adapted things were.

Charged151 posted...

Regarding a script, we now know there was no unifying vision, script, or directive for the Sequel Trilogy.

You didn't answer the question.

Not everyone. Just most people. It surprises me some people think so highly of TLJ when stuff like the slow speed space chase makes no sense (The First Order could have ended it whenever they want).

Theres a whole lotta thingss in Star Wars that makes no sense. And no, most people didn't dislike TLJ. If you aren't a die hard SW fan with insanely out of reach expectations its very hard not to enjoy a movie with great acting, visuals, action scenes, score, etc. All of these things the film has.

Granted, even most casual fans didn't like what the movie did with Luke.

Not in my experience. I've known casuals that loved it, casuals that didn't care for it, and casuals who's opinion were swayed by the online zeitgeist.

Also, it isn't "everything" as you say that long-time fans have been trashing. Stuff like TFA (mostly), Rogue One, Mando's first two seasons,

Oh so all this stuff that released under Kennedy then? Kinda sounds like we've gotten plenty of great SW content under her tenure.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Departing from the old EU was the single best decision they made. It would have been sacrificing all their freedom, tying themselves to mountains of garbage just for a few good stories, having old nerds spoil every upcoming movie and show, then still complaining about how well adapted things were.

I thought Lucas struck a better middle ground on the EU. He allowed it to exist until something came out that contradicted it. Ex: There were a lot of EU stories set between Episodes 2 and 3 and they were canon at the time until The Clone Wars wiped them away. The way Disney handled it (it all is gone) was much more heavy handed, and just unnecessarily rubbed fans of the EU the wrong way for no reason.

Also, I disagree with your overall assessment of the Legends EU.

Charged151 posted...

Each movie in the Trilogy made less money than the last and eroded a lot of the goodwill of the fanbase in the process.

The good will they singlehandedly brought back from the PT era before people started gasligtjing themselves into calling those masterpieces you mean.

Kid me enjoyed 1 and 3...and I still like them both mostly despite their flaws as an adult. 2 I feel is the weakest and has pacing issues, but has some good moments.

As for the Prequel era as a whole, are you forgetting about the massive resurgence of Star Wars around that time? Tons of great games came out thanks to the Prequels boosting interest in Star Wars again. Both of the KOTOR games, Battlefront 2, Force Unleashed, Rogue Squadron 2, etc. Lots of conventions were going on. The EU was still going strong and putting out interesting stories. There hasn't been a similar resurgence associated with the Sequel Trilogy.

Theres been a massive resurgence of star wars content as a whole since Disney bought it. This is undeniable. Its not focused on one era. It doesn't have to be

The EU was a mess that occasionally had some decent material come of it. Even most of rhe well regarded games and stuff wouldn't hold up narratively, like TFU.

The Sequel Trilogy failing for the most part is why it fell from those heights from the most part.

You keep saying "failing". In every regard imaginable you could begin to call the ST a failure, the PT failed worse. But no one calls the PT a failure. Why?

Simple. Because the ST isn't a failure either.

Now if Star Wars can get back to making movies that are well received,

Back to 2015?

That was the first SW film not largely reviled by the fanbase since ROTJ.

The brand has expanded to things we would've never in a million years gotten prior. Andor would've never happened pre Disney. Aphra would've never happened pre Disney. Fallen order would've never happened pre Disney.

You dont even have to like the movies, but its very much apparent to anyone viewing objectively that Star Wars has thrived under this brand. You were never going to like everything. Thats ok, no star wars fan does.

Omega posted...

Toonstrack still hasn't recovered from how bad the sequel trilogy is.

Theres nothing to recover from, ironically enough. Its the fanbase still acting like a scorned ex. The brand itself has put out some unique, experimental content in this era and God willing will continue to.(i haven't finished skeleton crew yet but I've liked what I have seen). The fans will ignore it, come back ten years later and realize what they missed. That seems to be the MO now

Toonstrack posted...

The good will they singlehandedly brought back from the PT era before people started gasligtjing themselves into calling those masterpieces you mean.

I didn't call them masterpieces. Acknowledging they had their good bits is something fans should be able to do so many years later.

Toonstrack posted...

Theres been a massive resurgence of star wars content as a whole since Disney bought it. This is undeniable. Its not focused on one era. It doesn't have to be

While there have been some good projects (I listed some), when referring to the main and most popular stuff (the movies), I have to disagree. There may have been some initial buzz, but the Sequel Trilogy's latter two movies put a damper on the optimism expected of particularly future movies and overall lessened the appeal of the Star Wars brand, hence why Disney has been cancelling so many movies before any can get off the ground. Hopefully Mando and Grogu followed by Thrawn's movie bucks the trend though.

Toonstrack posted...

You keep saying "failing". In every regard imaginable you could begin to call the ST a failure, the PT failed worse. But no one calls the PT a failure. Why?

Simple. Because the ST isn't a failure either.

The Prequels had a resurgence of the Star Wars brand associated with them in terms of relevance, games, side projects associated with them after a long period of mostly being dormant.

On the other hand, the series was not dormant prior to Disney acquiring the series in terms of games, shows, and EU material. Disney replaced those, which isn't by definition a resurgence.

Toonstrack posted...

Back to 2015?

That was the first SW film not largely reviled by the fanbase since ROTJ.

The brand has expanded to things we would've never in a million years gotten prior. Andor would've never happened pre Disney. Aphra would've never happened pre Disney. Fallen order would've never happened pre Disney.

You dont even have to like the movies, but its very much apparent to anyone viewing objectively that Star Wars has thrived under this brand. You were never going to like everything. Thats ok, no star wars fan does.

Rogue One came out in 2016, so I disagree with your year choice.

Getting away from the unplanned mess the Sequel Trilogy was should improve the movies at any rate, particularly if it means the series gets away from interacting with the OG cast (hard to do since most are dead by the ST end) and you know actually plan things out.

As for Streaming, it is a mixed bag. For every Mando and Andor we got a Bobba Fett and Obi Wan. Hopefully it never becomes like the MCU where some of the meh stuff is recommended to watch before seeing the films. The other concern is the constant need for content of not always top tier quality can be said to cheapen the brand, although it may just be the present lack of movies.

Toonstrack posted...

i haven't finished skeleton crew yet but I've liked what I have seen

I thought it was good. It just isn't really what I want out of Star Wars.

Heres the thing: there was a big resurgence in content. By and large that has mostly petered out. Theres been no new films for years and much tied up in development Hell. Shows keep flopping and getting shelves, and theres been less books or other content. The hits are rarer

Charged151 posted...

I didn't call them masterpieces. Acknowledging they had their good bits is something fans should be able to do so many years later.

While there have been some good projects (I listed some), when referring to the main and most popular stuff (the movies), I have to disagree.

The movies being the "main" and "most popular stuff" was always just an assumption, not a rule. Expanding to other media especially live action tv has been something optioned for the franchise for decades, and honestly? Yeah, the franchise has shown it can work very very well on the format given that its such a large universe with millions of stories and characters.

The movies don't have to be this franchises bread and butter at this point, and thats a good thing. We didn't get this opportunity before because Lucas didn't want it and Lucasfilm didn't have the money for it.

Video games as a whole us an industry in turmoil; and the video gamer base has found itself embroiled in controversy after controversy for nearly 2 decades running now, so that was never sustainable in hindsight. But its not like we haven't gotten solid games thus era either.

You can really only make the argument you're making if you devalue anything star wars that isnt a movie.

The Prequels had a resurgence of the Star Wars brand associated with them in terms of relevance, games, side projects associated with them after a long period of mostly being dormant.

Star wars was never not relevant, at any point from the release of ROTJ to the release of TPM. There were multimedia releases, toys, comics and books virtually that entire time and the brand itself remained in the public conscience. Sure the movies revitalized it, but that was always going to happen.

Prior to the Disney buyout; there absolutely was a dormancy in significant SW content. Clone wars was pretty much the only mainstream thing, there was that planned video game that may or may not have been good, but theres a reason this buyout was welcomed with open arms when announced and you can find threads even on this site proving this.

Rogue One came out in 2016, so I disagree with your year choice.

If you're going to try and claim TFA wasn't well recived then you cannot deny your own bias here.

Getting away from the unplanned mess the Sequel Trilogy was should improve the movies at any rate, particularly if it means the series gets away from interacting with the OG cast (hard to do since most are dead by the ST end) and you know actually plan things out.

As for Streaming, it is a mixed bag. For every Mando and Andor we got a Bobba Fett and Obi Wan. .

Obi Wan wasn't negatively received by normal people either. Once again, it was this toxic fanbase decaying anything and still scorned over old hat topics. And not to mention the racism.

The vast majority of star wars releases aren't planned out as a whole picture. The OT wasn't. Clone wars wasn't. Most of the EU certainly wasn't. So why is it now that you need to 'plan" everything out to get good content? The only significantly planned thing was the PT, and that didn't do it many favors.

I thought it was good. It just isn't really what I want out of Star Wars

And therein lies the problem. Getting good content isn't enough anymore. Ir has to fig you already concievd notions of what the franchise should, or could, be. And there are no two star wars fans who share this opinion.

Also, it's a little weird to say "the brand has expanded, now we have this!"

Like I'll give you Aphra, but while Andor is legit incredible, it's also something Disney exercised very little leashing over and LFL had plenty of SW stuff before had been revolutionary or political thrillers. Fallen Order is....Order 66 survivor pursued by Inquisitors and the Empire, a story that has been going on for literally decades. The Inquisitors hunting Jedi predates even the Prequels

Disney tried a rush of content, a mass glut that didn't work as they wanted it to. We can 100 percent acknowledge that. Iger's plans failed. "Always have a Star Wars product in theaters or onscreen" was just not a good idea!

Toonstrack posted...

If you're going to try and claim TFA wasn't well recived then you cannot deny your own bias here.

I was saying we didn't need to go back to 2015 (TFA) when 2016 had a great movie in Rogue One. Think you misunderstood what I said. TFA was well received at launch even if decisions to have Luke go AWOL are questionable in retrospect.

And therein lies the problem. Getting good content isn't enough anymore. Ir has to fig you already concievd notions of what the franchise should, or could, be. And there are no two star wars fans who share this opinion.

I didn't mind the show. It was fine as a one off, but I wouldn't want something like that to be the direction going forward. You know...Jedi/Sith/Space Battles/Lightsaber duels/fighting tyranny/light vs darkness/redemption/etc. That's kind of what people expect from Star Wars.

Toonstrack posted...

Obi Wan wasn't negatively received by normal people either. Once again, it was this toxic fanbase decaying anything and still scorned over old hat topics. And not to mention the racism.

It openly contradicted Episode IV. "When I left you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master." doesn't work as well in retrospect. The show also was apparently building Reva to be in other material, but her role was kinda unbelievable at times (surviving Order 66 Anakin's lightsaber...? Come on) and otherwise fell flat. The show had other issues, but I don't want to get into them.

Toonstrack posted...

Prior to the Disney buyout; there absolutely was a dormancy in significant SW content.

You are overstating it considering what we were still getting in terms of shows/games/EU comics. Saying that, any boost in interest was mostly gone after TLJ/TROS. The series has been on streaming since then with uneven quality. Games quality is more subjective, although I thought what we got before was better and avoided controversies like Battlefront 2.

The vast majority of star wars releases aren't planned out as a whole picture. The OT wasn't. Clone wars wasn't. Most of the EU certainly wasn't. So why is it now that you need to 'plan" everything out to get good content? The only significantly planned thing was the PT, and that didn't do it many favors.

True to some extent, but all other six movies (PT+OT) had Lucas's oversight so at least were consistent. The Sequels didn't have that or any type of vision or script. Planning to have a different director per movie without any plan was also a terrible idea. It just led to a mess of a plot with TLJ subverting everything TFA set up and then TROS bringing Palps back due to there being nothing to work with in terms of a main villain.

Also, my apologies for the deleted posts. GameFAQs needs to increase the edit limit.

So many deleted comments

Charged151 posted...

I thought Lucas struck a better middle ground on the EU. He allowed it to exist until something came out that contradicted it. Ex: There were a lot of EU stories set between Episodes 2 and 3 and they were canon at the time until The Clone Wars wiped them away. The way Disney handled it (it all is gone) was much more heavy handed, and just unnecessarily rubbed fans of the EU the wrong way for no reason.

Also, I disagree with your overall assessment of the Legends EU.

Saying "garbage" was perhaps too harsh, and "mediocrity" would have more appropriate to describe the bulk (though there is some garbage). But my other points stand. The story going forward absolutely must not have been restrained by the previously established novels. There may have been a middle ground where material that took place before episode 1 or between 1 and 2 had been spared, but that would still be limiting.

Best news we've gotten in a while. Good riddance. I hope they document and teach her failings so the next generation of film makers know what to NOT do.

xlr_big-coop posted...

Best news we've gotten in a while. Good riddance. I hope they document and teach her failings so the next generation of film makers know what to NOT do.

she has a long history of successful films

AceMos posted...

she has a long history of successful films

Don't worry too much about the chud's opinions.

xlr_big-coop posted...

Best news we've gotten in a while. Good riddance. I hope they document and teach her failings so the next generation of film makers know what to NOT do.

This is sad that this is how you spend your life.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Saying "garbage" was perhaps too harsh, and "mediocrity" would have more appropriate to describe the bulk (though there is some garbage). But my other points stand. The story going forward absolutely must not have been restrained by the previously established novels. There may have been a middle ground where material that took place before episode 1 or between 1 and 2 had been spared, but that would still be limiting.

not really too knowledgeable about the EU, but did it ever constrain the prequels or CW?

mehmeh1 posted...

not really too knowledgeable about the EU, but did it ever constrain the prequels or CW?

the EU that existed before the PT was thrown out when those films where made

people just like to ignore this fact as then they have to admit it was never canon and disney did the same thing lucas did

AceMos posted...

the EU that existed before the PT was thrown out when those films where made

people just like to ignore this fact as then they have to admit it was never canon and disney did the same thing lucas did

You're completely wrong. It simply adapted and things were retconned that needed to be. It was not, in any way, shape, or form, "thrown out". That is until Disney bought the property and threw it in the "Legends" bin.

Lucas was perfectly fine with multiple tiers of canon, the book for Revenge of the Sith, for instance, has many different details and scenes that did not happen in the film but it was licensed by Lucas.

Again, you are completely wrong. Moreover, unlike the prequels, which went in a largely unexplored time period, the sequels overwrote where most of the EU material was - which was post-RotJ. That includes shit like the Heir to the Empire series, which for multiple decades was considered a fitting sequel series (many times to Lucas - who again licensed the work - chagrin).