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And clearly, it's not working now. They've become increasingly convoluted and poorly done.

This was absolutely never promised lmao.

You guys must be forgetting how the MCU started. Even post avengers 1, characters spending extended period of time in each other's movies has never been a common thing. Captain america 2 was an exception. Modt everything else has remained thoroughly contained to itself save for Thor Ragnarok and Doctors Strange 2.

Even in Homecoming iron man is only in the movie for 10 minutes.

The crossover films are the most convoluted ones lmao. See Deadpool and Wolverine.

By what metric is it not working? Rotten tomatoes? Rotten tomatoes gave Emilia perez a 72%. Theytrashed the mario movie which made a gazillion dollars.. They arent objective arbiters of quality.

If the movie appeals to an audience it will find success regardless of what the critics say.

but at this point I don't think anyone other than the Russos can make these characters work for me anymore

Quantumania was great.

I realize it's you and this is CE, but do try your best not to be pedantic. Obviously we were never 'promised' an Asgardians of the Galaxy movie, it was a simple comparison between how the MCU has played with our expectations.

And where the MCU 'started' is irrelevant to the subject at hand, because the bar has been steadily, irrevocably raised from the MCU's beginnings up until Endgame.

My opinions are against the norm. Quantumania might not be the finest film, but it's clearly meant to be more humorous than most of the MCU.

This movie had reshoots and poor screenings. Changes were made to get the movie we got now.

Wonder what changed lol

Deadpool and Wolverine is a comedy and parodies this. It literally mocks the very foundation of it.

I mean, critical acclaim is down, ticket sales aren't; what they used to be....not really sure Emilia Perez is a good comparison given there are like 2 dozen other Marvel films to track a trend through, as opposed to one shitty film like that.

yeah I always liked Mackie and Harrison Ford as Red Hulk sounds awesome

But the production hell it went through didn't give me mucu hope

More hopeful for Thunderbolts and F4

This is such a poor argument.

DP3 cleaaarly has an actual superhero plot and character you are supposed to be invested in. Its not a parody, its a true blue superhero film like any of the others.

You missed the point, beign that RT doesnt determine quality, and that there's been a noticeable trend against MCU films in general doesn't opposite of counter that. Critics have biases that must be considered and are looking for different things than the GA. Theres numerous other examples, like Thor The Dark World beind considered better than Quantumania or Eternals that speak to this. Heck, I liked Eternals better than DP3.

Production hell is a little silly of a take on this.

This isn't Blade. The movie was made.

Almost all of these movies go through reshoots too at some point. I don't think it's any indication of the quality of the movie.

Meh. I've been done with the MCU for years now. I hope they can pull out of the dive for X-Men, but wouldn't bet on it.

Yes, Deadpool has always had a serious story to it. That does not change it is still a comedy at its heart, and it makes fun, immensely of the concepts it includes. Deadpool points out how ridiculous the concepts of "follow along with all these movies, we have a MULTIVERSE" are. It has no reverence for those concepts and mocks them. That's why it's funny.

Okay?

At what point is anyone capable to just judge the films? You like 'em, good for you. But it's always "No, box office decreasing isn't THAT bad! The critics don't matter!"

You found those funny because you agreed with them, without even realizing the movie was also making fun of YOU for paying to see a multiverse superhero movie that occassioanlyl makes fun of itself. Deadpool was always doing that, even mocking the superhero landing in movie 2.

When did I say you couldn't judge films? My problem is when people let other people judge films for them.

feels like only yesterday when scorsese and friends were chased off the stage for calling the slop machine a slop machine.

"Martin Scorcese makes no diverse films! He only makes gangster movies! Martin Scorcese is an elitist!"

Just absolute clown hour.

feels like only yesterday when scorsese and friends were chased off the stage for calling the slop machine a slop machine.

I see this is the part of the topic where film elitists stare into each others' eyes and moan.

the shang-chi guy basically calling him a racist lol

(a character who hasnt been seen in 3.5 years)

No, I found them funny because they're clever with good jokes and don't take themselves too seriously.

Yeah, Deadpool was always doing this. They do make fun of their audience, and superhero trends and expectations. They're super tongue in cheek. That's why they're good.

Marvel fans: Look at how well Marvel is doing! Look at these ratings!!!

Also Marvel fans: Ignore the critics, they don't matter.

Reminds me of when Martin Scorcese dared blaspheme against the Holy

feels like only yesterday when scorsese and friends were chased off the stage for calling the slop machine a slop machine.

"If you don't like our superhero films, you're an ELITIST!" is always such an argument.

Don't care, going to see it any way.

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Sidnt you rag on quantimania for not being serious enough and being too quippy? Yall flip flop back and forth when its convenient, on a moments notice.

They're good because they are well made, not because they consider superhero movies as much as blight as you do. Ryan Reynolds and co clesrly love CBMs.

Ah, you're arguing a strawman. You could've opened with that.

Scorsese got criticized for trashing movies hed never seen because he lamented how successful they were. Clearly, even you dont agree with him entirely because your gushing about the most unserious MCU movie in recent memory. Apparently if it's a genuine superhero movie but also has jokes at its own expense it's good. Unless it's called ant man, then that's awful.

I didn't say that. I've just noticed these topics almost always turn into

"And Martin Scorsese!"
"Oh, tell me more, it's already doing it for me!"
"These uncultured swine had the nerve to criticize something MARTIN SCORSESE said!"
"Hrrrrrrrrrrggggghhh!"

One did it well, one did it poorly. This isn't difficult to understand.

Yeah, and? There's been plenty of good ones. Logan was terrific, we had some solid X-men ones. The early Marvels were goo before they just became a mess. I also don't care what Reynolds' personal opinions are on the genre.

Scorcese was right in them being loud theme park rides. People just want them to be more than what they are.

But you're demonstrating the issue right here: an inability to understand context and execution. Everything must be formula. "YOu dislike the jokes in this movie....but this other movie has jokes!"

Yeah. What are those jokes? How do they apply to the scenes they're in? What is the film like? What does it have to say and how does it accomplish that? These are things thaat matter, not to be reduced to "but they have JOKES in them!" Yeah, having comedy is contextual thing that depends a lot on how the rest of the film treats and builds to them.

Movie reviews have been dogshit para-entertainment for longer than we've been alive.

Imagine valuing the opinions of the masses in 2025, and then imagine STILL valuing the opinions of the masses......in 2025.......in a movie about America fighting an institutional villain. Okay.

They both did the same exact thing lmao. You just convinced yourself one was agreeing with you about the movies sucking, when that isnt the case.

But you care what scorceses are and no ones allowed to disagree with him on that apparently.

If my superhero movie ISNT being compared to the thrill of a theme park ride im probably doing something very wrong. These comics are the ones that killed the boring romance and western comics remember? That's because they were exciting. That's a part of the appeal.

Apparently you think Deadpool was trying to say "the MCU sucks innit" but thats not at all what it was trying to say. And no, calling out self aware jokes in comparison to self aware jokes is more than fair game. At the end of ant man, Scott muses about how this villain will definitely not ever appear again and won't be a bigger threat, its a gag that wouldn't be our of place at all in Deadpool. Snd that's far from the only one.

Im saying you criticisms are arbitrary and inconsistent. Ironically, scorcese blanketly disregarding them is pretty consistent but then he aped the joker movies too so idk

Marvel's issue is the "institutional villain" usually turns out to be "actually the system is fine, it's just controlled by a secret group of evil Nazis."

Yes, I remember in winter soldier when Nick Fury said he's gonna salvage what he can from shield and then Cap said "you're right shield is very good and needs to stay despite being infiltrated by hydra"

Oh wait that didn't happen. Steve said "burn it all down"

They did not do the "Exact same thing." I'm not obliged to buy into this delusion.

One can disagree with Scorcese fine. Calling him a "racist gatekeeper" because he dislikes spandex is absolutely pathetic

Well, let's take a look at the sales from those days, adjust for inflatio-

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, that's not good at all.

I don't think Deadpool was trying to say "the MCU is shit." I do think it was making fun of the MCU a lot (which it was), and pointing out the absurdity of a lot of it. Ergo, it was a fun comedy and didn't try to be more than that.

Please tell us what movie Scorcese "aped the Joker films" with. I would love to hear this one. Was there a subplot of Arthur Fleck arriving in the Osage Tribe's land to solve a string of murders in 2019 that I missed somewhere?

Suppose this strawman is easier than addressing the actual argument.

Your critiques are arbitrary and stuff like this highlights it.

When an old white man sees a film franchise releasing some of the most culturally representative movies of the last 2 decades like black panther and shang chi, featuring prominent POC creators both in front of and behind the camera, and blankets them all as worthless slop, can you blame him for coming to that consideration? If it was some random old white man on the internet saying it you'd agree.

Beating everything else still. They'll be alright. You tried this before but it really doesn't stick in context lol. "They aren't beating their own records, the horror!"

That's all well and good except you literally just said you wanted them to be more. So which is it?

Sorry I meant "support and promote" joker. He didn't ape it. He sure stuck his name to it tho.

There was no actual argument in the posts I'm referring to. You two just went back and forth about MARTIN SCORSESE like it was a mating call.