Board 8 > Zenless Zone Zero Zopic 5 - Return of the Burger Queen

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Feels like we're entering an interesting stretch right now with the "Season 1 finale" very much behind us but a proper start to Season 2 (and a hopefully very exciting 2.0 patch) an uncertain ways off. I imagine we'll have a much clearer idea when we see what happens with the story in 1.6, which finally brings Obol Squad into the spotlight! I hope everyone's been having a good time - next up for our upcoming events is FISHING; Estelle Bright would be so proud.

So do we already know what the best DD for Evelyn is?

Seeing a lot of disagreement, but the vibe I'm getting is 4 PC Woodpecker and either 2 PC Fire or 2 Piece PEN.

And with Fire and Pen pieces in the same domain that makes things easy at least.

Hows my Harumasa work in progress currently looking?

Lv60 The Brimstone
Core D, 4pc Thunder, 2 pc Woodpecker
Atk lv7, Dodge lv11, Chain lv9
HP 10,612, ATK 2,852
Crit Rate 39.4%, Crit DMG 112.4%

Getting Crit Rate plus rolls into it so hard

Consensus seems to be 4pc Woodpecker with some Hormone Punk truthers out there. Whatever 2pc works, Pen is only best with Lighter/Astra. All you really need to know is 4pc Inferno is a trap.

Also the site in my last post was enka.network, zzz mode is still in beta but you can access it here: https://enka.network/?zzz&mode=sillybeta

I'm trying to understand the MATH behind the Pen argument - I'm assuming based on what you said that Pen becomes more valuable as the other stats enter complete saturation, as would be the case with Lighter and Astra?

swordz9 posted...

Hows my Harumasa work in progress currently looking?

Getting there! Honestly you may want to do what I did (not at all optimal but maybe more value in the moment) and swap your Crit DMG disc for a CR disc and roll for Crit DMG instead. Not at all what you want to do in the long term but it got my Harumasa to usability way faster than he would have otherwise - rolling for crit can indeed be rough.

The site letting me spin my Disk Drives is fun lol

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swordz9 posted...

Hows my Harumasa work in progress currently looking?

Lv60 The Brimstone
Core D, 4pc Thunder, 2 pc Woodpecker
Atk lv7, Dodge lv11, Chain lv9
HP 10,612, ATK 2,852
Crit Rate 39.4%, Crit DMG 112.4%

Getting Crit Rate plus rolls into it so hard

Tbh your attack seems really really low for The Brimstone. I've got as much on Mercato with only one ATK% disk. And yeah you just need more crit. You can afford to skew towards crit rate because his core passive gives 25/72 rate/damage but it's important he actually hits the crits. Haru is a huge pain in the ass to build because he really needs to balance all three offensive stats.

Xiahou_Shake posted...

I'm trying to understand the MATH behind the Pen argument - I'm assuming based on what you said that Pen becomes more valuable as the other stats enter complete saturation, as would be the case with Lighter and Astra?

yup exactly. Lighter gives a shit load of damage%, Astra gives a shitload of attack and a bit more dmg%, so Pen disk 5 and 2pc are more attractive. But as always it mostly is gonna come down to substats.

I imagine calcs are also including sigs which will skew things more to Pen, for people using the F2P engines it probably matters even less

Most of his DDs are lv9 at the moment since Im still trying to get decent/better ones.

Oh ok that explains it

I'd recommend moving him to 4pc Woodpecker if you're gonna be farming it anyways. I run that and 2pc Branch for crit damage and it just saves me the headache of balancing stats. Thunder Metal IS better on teams that Shock frequently but I'm super fucking lazy and hate dealing with the conditional effect lol

With a tiny bit of upgrading hes now at 44.2% Crit Rate, 126.8% DMG and 3,255 ATK

Much better! I also forgot: if you're playing him with Nicole, one of her Mindscapes adds another 15% crit, so you can take that into account too. I did not so I way overcap lol

As a non-Astra or Qingyi haver the DA plan was Harumasa, Nicole & Anby praying for 2 star clear

Is there any real consensus on what to get from the battle pass if you already have a R5 Lip Gloss? Looking around quickly the answer seems to be that all the others are garbage, which... honestly doesn't help much!

Cannon Rotor has 20% CR on it so you just keep getting that. Frankly the effect is irrelevant in comparison.

Cannon Rotor is certifiably not garbage. CR (and ATK) stat stick with a small amount of bonus damage you can forget about is nothing to sneeze at.

I think the issue is mostly Starlight Engine too good. Crit is not as big a god stat with combat atk in play. The biggest argument for it isn't power level but that it makes your ratio easier to build. Like, Mercato Desire is a great f2p engine but it's still about as good to slightly better than Starlight Engine despite the crit. I would not be surprised if S1 Rotor just loses vs S5 Starlight, but I havent seen many calcs with it.

Eve get. Done 20 pulls on Qingyi too, but its tricky justifying more knowing we have another electric stunner on the way. Maybe see how many tapes I have at the end of the banner.

Well currently my Harumasa team is too weak to get a better clear on Shiyu Defense 6 or 7. In fact it took longer to kill than using Jane/Grace/Rina

Lost to Koleda C1....which I guess is the best one to lose to, since I intend to use her with Evelyn and Asta.

Got her, but it drained me to zilch. Plenty of tickets crafting materials at least, though. Was able to get to 73CR (so 98 in combat) and 126CD without needing a Crit Engine (using a maxed Starlight), so I guess the prefarming went well enough!

Won the 50/50 at pity! Debating going for her wengine or Qingyi but I think I'm gonna wait for more details on the 1.6 agents.

Good luck to everyone else!

Ive got 404 tapes so lets see how this goes

Do we know the weekly or standard boss materials for Sanby yet?

It's an even patch number so I assume we'll need to farm new ones

Anton past M6 10
Street Superstar
Nicole past M6 7
Seth M5
Starlight Engine
Rina M1 (noooo lost the flip)
Soukaku past M6 1
Starlight Engine Replica
Original Transmorpher
Evelyn finally

148 pulls fuck my luck was awful

Damn with M1 Rina and going back to Jane/Grace/Rina I still only got A clear on Shiyu 6. Took 6min 18s to clear it

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Do we know the weekly or standard boss materials for Sanby yet?

They're on zzz.hakush.in and yeah they use old Notorious Hunt mats but there's a new boss for the other ones.

HOWEVER, Astra and Evelyn had their boss mats changed partway through beta, I would not even bother farming the weeklies yet

Problem is what other notorious hunt am I gonna farm for the 3 weeklies lol, I don't have any other character I want to spend boss mats on that aren't maxed. I even have one shop mat left to exchange for I don't know what to spend on (ugh why did they make it so we can't save those up anymore).

Guess I may as well just get the Hunt mats for characters that I don't use.

Ahhhh oh my god I got to 13,717 on Deadly Assault with Harumasa team. I was so close to 2 stars!

I've lost 50/50 to Soldier 11 twice in a row now what is HAPPENING dude rofl

Incredibly though I got Eve on my very next pull! Polychromes are... relatively safe. Next patch is easy but 1.7 looks like it'll be another rough one.

That was lucky for you at least. S11 still seems really solid to me so Ms of her are probably better than most of the other standards. My polys arent safe with S Anby and Pulchra coming up

I'm thinking I should save my pulls since I've got Lighter, S11, and Ben, and Astra has no shortage of team compositions. Qingyi also still seems unnecessary. There's so much elec already. Granted not all of it is very high-tier. I also have my selectable 5-star and I'm really not sure what to go with. Koleda and Neko aren't very strong, and I could get M1... Lycaon maybe? Or keep getting levels on Rina?

swordz9 posted...

That was lucky for you at least. S11 still seems really solid to me so Ms of her are probably better than most of the other standards. My polys arent safe with S Anby and Pulchra coming up

You said you started with 404 and spent 148 so you've still got... 256 tapes? That sounds pretty safe to me - especially since S Anby and Pulchra will likely be on the same banner! If I had that many tapes right now I'd say I'm sitting pretty all the way through 1.7 even if I planned to pull Anby and both of that patch's characters lol

I might go for my first W-Engine in S Anbys. I mean I kinda dont want to because thats a lot of resources that could go towards a new hero instead, but it sounds like its very very good and I love Anby

paperwarior posted...

I'm thinking I should save my pulls since I've got Lighter, S11, and Ben, and Astra has no shortage of team compositions. Qingyi also still seems unnecessary. There's so much elec already. Granted not all of it is very high-tier. I also have my selectable 5-star and I'm really not sure what to go with. Koleda and Neko aren't very strong, and I could get M1... Lycaon maybe? Or keep getting levels on Rina?

Yeah if you have Lighter/(Astra or Lucy) that is honestly good enough to carry S11 if you don't care about Evelyn. Qingyi is only good with Zhu Yuan and Harumasa atm. Rina I think is only worth using on Grace or Yanagi teams but buffing her is pretty good if you do. Otherwise...yeah, not a lot of value so you can do whatever.

I also finally hit 300 but I'm gonna wait and see how my 50/50 on Qingyi or Anby goes before doing anything. Gotta figure out my pull plan.

Rina is at M3 for me so she's a go-to support, especially with Miyabi. I've worked on Lucy and Soukaku but they aren't fully ready yet. Seems like they're a priority... The other limited units I've missed are likely all more significant: Burnice, Yanagi, maybe Zhu Yuan (although Astra as a third Ether unit already reduces her significance).

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Well, Eve's looking good, just gotta go talent farming

^damn you were really prepared. I gotta figure out what drives Im slapping on her and get her Core up since I dont have the right materials for it RIP. Also gotta figure out a W-Engine for her because I seriously cant share Brimstone on every Attacker

Is she getting more than her Core 25% CR from somewhere else?

No, but she's barely over the 80% threshold with it so it'll work until I get better disks

Gotcha, just making sure. My Zhu Yuan disks were a real mess because I had her on too much CR for months.

Did my weekly H0 run with Eve/Lighter/Astra. Intensity 6 which has been my default farm level. Couldn't fucking stun the bosses. Evelyn killed them too fast. Went again on Intensity 9. Actually had to stun while building the loadout because enemies are Demonized. Got to Bringer. 0 stun kill. Crazy work.

Like I probably could have stunned him with more defensive assists but since flashes were off they didn't happen much but...didn't need it. At this rate we're gonna need a Lost Void expansion sooner rather than later!

Lol had the same problem, is she really a Stun DPS? I only ever swapped to Koleda to get a feel for the flow, I never had to.

She's supposed to blast out multiple chain attacks per stun but still does a few without it. I'll have to try to learn how to do her rotations in Deadly Assault I guess. The first thing I tried with her were the bosses for her last few core mats and those guys also just get murked

I felt stupid for laughing when I was doing a Miyabi S-link event at Port Elpis and saw that plastic deck chair next to where she decided to stop.

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My luck has been, uh, very interesting today.

paperwarior posted...

I felt stupid for laughing when I was doing a Miyabi S-link event at Port Elpis and saw that plastic deck chair next to where she decided to stop.

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Still learning how to play her but yeah seems really good

Managed to get Qingyi within 60 pulls.