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Jagus
01/04/25 5:48:17 PM
#1:


Basically an AI is used to generate more Gen 1/Kanto for people to play. Could be fun for
people tired of the originals

edit: as a fan project, not something you pay for

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Dungeater
01/04/25 5:49:08 PM
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no

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viewmaster_pi
01/04/25 5:49:44 PM
#3:


oh boy, PokAImon

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PowerOats
01/04/25 5:50:08 PM
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AI anything = Hell no
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_____Cait
01/04/25 5:50:16 PM
#5:


Why AI?

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Jagus
01/04/25 5:53:37 PM
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_____Cait posted...
Why AI?

So they can make procedurally generated environments or whatever with ease

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UnholyMudcrab
01/04/25 5:55:44 PM
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I would not be down for that.

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rick_alverado
01/04/25 5:57:09 PM
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There's already romhacks that expand on Gen 1. You don't need AI to do that.
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Jagus
01/04/25 6:00:40 PM
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rick_alverado posted...
There's already romhacks that expand on Gen 1. You don't need AI to do that.

What are the best ones in your opinion?

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Garioshi
01/04/25 6:02:02 PM
#10:


Shut the fuck up

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TheLiarParadox
01/04/25 6:02:09 PM
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Down for AI?
Down with AI?

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
01/04/25 6:03:04 PM
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There was some Pokemon Infinite Fusion thing where you can basically fuse two pokemon together. That one was amusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKpkEjJQZ5E


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rick_alverado
01/04/25 6:03:15 PM
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Jagus posted...
What are the best ones in your opinion?

I don't play romhacks myself, so I can't say, I just know they exist.
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rick_alverado
01/04/25 6:05:14 PM
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
There was some Pokemon Infinite Fusion thing where you can basically fuse two pokemon together. That one was amusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKpkEjJQZ5E

Unfortunately they've started using AI for Pokedex entries. As a result multiple artists have asked for their work to be removed from the game, and are basically being told no.
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Relient_K
01/04/25 6:05:32 PM
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Pokemon infinite fusion has a very well handled gimmick and is a great gameplay experience. It starts in kanto and then you go to Johto.

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Solar_Crimson
01/04/25 6:05:55 PM
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It's all fun and games until Lance sends out a dragon with a tail for its tongue.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9c7dee4b.jpg

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kage_53
01/04/25 6:09:06 PM
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That dragon tongue looks like a stand arrow
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Tom_Joad
01/04/25 6:10:09 PM
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Gen1 is TRANSFORMERS!!!

If you want to talk about Pokemon, at least put that in the subject title!

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viewmaster_pi
01/04/25 6:10:52 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
It's all fun and games until Lance sends out a dragon with a tail for its tongue.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9c7dee4b.jpg
cool palworld pal!

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Nukazie
01/04/25 6:11:04 PM
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Jagus posted...
What are the best ones in your opinion?
team rocket edition

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GhostFaceLeaks
01/04/25 6:15:45 PM
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AI is inevitable with how creatively bankrupt GameFreak has gotten anyways.

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Justin2Krelian
01/04/25 6:22:31 PM
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I'd rather see a more complex version of Pokemon Go, even if it's just Gen 1.

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DrizztLink
01/04/25 6:23:35 PM
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I'd rather learn Braille and read a cheese grater.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
01/05/25 9:48:33 PM
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rick_alverado posted...
Unfortunately they've started using AI for Pokedex entries. As a result multiple artists have asked for their work to be removed from the game, and are basically being told no.

Then the artists should just submit their own dex entry descriptions for anything they drew.

You don't play a fan game like fusions to actually read the dex.


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ssjevot
01/05/25 9:50:55 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
It's all fun and games until Lance sends out a dragon with a tail for its tongue.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9c7dee4b.jpg

I mean the Welsh dragon has that and it predates AI.

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rick_alverado
01/06/25 10:42:19 AM
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
Then the artists should just submit their own dex entry descriptions for anything they drew.

You don't play a fan game like fusions to actually read the dex.

What kind of a response even is this? They want their work removed from a game that is now doing something they find morally wrong, and you think they should do more work for a game doing something they find morally wrong?
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ReturnOfDevsman
01/06/25 10:50:39 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
It's all fun and games until Lance sends out a dragon with a tail for its tongue.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9c7dee4b.jpg
Maybe it's the tail of another dragon that it ate.

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ssjevot
01/06/25 11:02:41 AM
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rick_alverado posted...
What kind of a response even is this? They want their work removed from a game that is now doing something they find morally wrong, and you think they should do more work for a game doing something they find morally wrong?

"The copyright infringing game is infringing copyright in a way I don't like now." It's a really weird stance to have if we're being honest.

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PerseusRad
01/06/25 11:07:07 AM
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rick_alverado posted...
Unfortunately they've started using AI for Pokedex entries. As a result multiple artists have asked for their work to be removed from the game, and are basically being told no.
I believe they've already walked that back

ssjevot posted...
"The copyright infringing game is infringing copyright in a way I don't like now." It's a really weird stance to have if we're being honest.
They were fans contributing to a fan game, and the fan game was going in a direction they didn't like. Not at all a weird stance, really.
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Yazarogi
01/06/25 11:11:46 AM
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no

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uwnim
01/06/25 11:14:39 AM
#32:


rick_alverado posted...
Unfortunately they've started using AI for Pokedex entries. As a result multiple artists have asked for their work to be removed from the game, and are basically being told no.
They are using AI in a responsible matter. Human written dex entries have priority and people can submit them to replace AI entries. Human and AI entries are distinguishable. So basically AI is just to provide filler entries instead of leaving them blank.

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Nemu
01/06/25 11:15:20 AM
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When generative AI is good enough, absolutely. Barring ethical concerns from stolen data, truly adaptive AI that can generate new content as desired would be fantastic. Being able to say generate a new storyline based on the Orange Islands and not needing to wait a decade for a dedicated rom hack to be made would be amazing. If thats even possible, were still a long, long way away from it, but I really hope that happens.
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Tyranthraxus
01/06/25 11:17:54 AM
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
There was some Pokemon Infinite Fusion thing where you can basically fuse two pokemon together. That one was amusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKpkEjJQZ5E

Meanwhile Monster Rancher, since the 90s:

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ssjevot
01/06/25 11:19:50 AM
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PerseusRad posted...
I believe they've already walked that back

They were fans contributing to a fan game, and the fan game was going in a direction they didn't like. Not at all a weird stance, really.

Yeah it would be awful to use an artist's work without their permission... You know like the entire game does and those artists did. People keep having meltdowns over AI because the training data is often made up of work taken from artists without their permission. But then I hear these same people supporting projects like these that blatantly use the work of other artists without their permission. Personally I don't care about the fan games at all, but pretending to have a moral leg to stand on here is ridiculous.

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ReturnOfDevsman
01/06/25 11:27:09 AM
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ssjevot posted...
People keep having meltdowns over AI because the training data is often made up of work taken from artists without their permission.
What does a human do?

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ssjevot
01/06/25 11:28:55 AM
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
What does a human do?

The same thing, but people are okay with that. Look I'm not the guy who rips sprites from games, modifies them (actually most sprites in the game aren't even modified) and then gets mad about AI text.

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AceMos
01/06/25 11:35:13 AM
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rick_alverado posted...
Unfortunately they've started using AI for Pokedex entries. As a result multiple artists have asked for their work to be removed from the game, and are basically being told no.

wait what thats bullshit


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AceMos
01/06/25 11:36:47 AM
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ssjevot posted...
"The copyright infringing game is infringing copyright in a way I don't like now." It's a really weird stance to have if we're being honest.

fan games fall under fair use


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ssjevot
01/06/25 11:37:58 AM
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AceMos posted...
fan games fall under fair use

Yep. And they're fairly using those artists work, just like they fairly used the unmodified sprites other artists made without their permission.

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PerseusRad
01/06/25 11:38:02 AM
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AceMos posted...
wait what thats bullshit
like I said they already went back on that. Though iirc the post from the dev was pretty whiny

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AceMos
01/06/25 11:41:04 AM
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ssjevot defending AI what a shock

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LuigiChalmersJr
01/06/25 11:42:09 AM
#43:


AceMos posted...
fan games fall under fair use
No, they don't. Where are you getting this from?

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OldNastyBastard
01/06/25 11:43:39 AM
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What are you looking for specifically from Gen1 Pokemon? You want it expanded, but in what way? An entirely new game with the same mechanics? Same area but expanded with same/different pokemon? New area but same pokemon?

I'm playing Pokemon Unbound right now, I believe it was a romhack from Fire Red. It has most/all the QOL updates as the newer games, probably some rebalancing, but the story and town feel completely new to me. There's also four or five difficulty settings so you can customize the experience to your liking.
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PiOverlord
01/06/25 11:44:05 AM
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Hell no.

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ssjevot
01/06/25 11:46:22 AM
#46:


AceMos posted...
ssjevot defending AI what a shock

I don't give a fuck about AI or copyright, but you guys can't seem to decided which one it is you care about. You are all like pirate everything who gives a fuck what the artist wants and then go and whine that AI is learning from copyrighted work without permission. How am I supposed to take this nonsense seriously?

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AceMos
01/06/25 11:48:51 AM
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ssjevot posted...
I don't give a fuck about AI or copyright, but you guys can't seem to decided which one it is you care about. You are all like pirate everything who gives a fuck what the artist wants and then go and whine that AI is learning from copyrighted work without permission. How am I supposed to take this nonsense seriously?

who here is defending piracy?


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ssjevot
01/06/25 11:49:59 AM
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AceMos posted...
who here is defending piracy?

This literal game is entirely stolen sprites and modified stolen sprites. That's the entirety of the game.

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AceMos
01/06/25 11:51:50 AM
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ssjevot posted...
This literal game is entirely stolen sprites and modified stolen sprites. That's the entirety of the game.

rom hacks are the same thing as modding a game on steam

the vast majority of people who play these pokemon rom hacks have legal copies


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Tyranthraxus
01/06/25 11:52:42 AM
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ssjevot posted...
This literal game is entirely stolen sprites and modified stolen sprites. That's the entirety of the game.
Not to mention stealing the game itself lol

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