Current Events > I'm going to be real, it kind of bothers me Silent Hill 2 got remade.

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We should be celebrating the original, it shouldn't be a remake but a "remaster" ... just not a terrible one.

Get the OG playable on modern hardware that isn't a PC, and rerelease the PC version on Steam or GOG.

It's insane the only SH game on GOG is "The Room", which isn't a bad game ... it just lacks a certain something I can't put my finger on.

I think part of the problem with that is that in the case of Silent hill 2 and 3... Konami literally lost the source code for the completed game, The older remaster collection released in 2012 were made using unfinished code that a small team had to then try to patch together and bring up to a state where it could be released... and well... ya

remember folks, Game preservation is an important issue so things like that dont happen

The team they assigned to do the remaster were also very inexperienced.

But still, millions of copies of the original are still floating around. All Konami has to do is clone ISO and repackage it with an emulator. It would do gangbusters with minimal effort.

Konami is trying to have a reemergence, so even if the original was available/was remastered, the remake would also still most likely happen.

just how with the original MGS3: Subsistence is part of the HD Collection, but they're still doing Delta.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8635e7a0.jpg

Stay mad. Ill give it a shot.

I'm glad something is giving you happiness.

i just think it's hilarious that they didn't do 1

but this is new konami we're talking about. it ain't about the creativity. it's all about the money.

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

i just think it's hilarious that they didn't do 1

but this is new konami we're talking about. it ain't about the creativity. it's all about the money.

2 is vastly more popular and recognizable. This shouldnt be a surprise to anyone with a functioning brain cell. >_>

BearlyWilling posted...

2 is vastly more popular and recognizable. This shouldnt be a surprise to anyone with a functioning brain cell. >_>

exactly, thus the money comment, if you haven't caught on

SH1 has arguably been remade already. Shattered Memories was originally billed and marketed as a remake.

It's not a remake but it's own original thing using SH1 as a basis, but yeah.

I think a remake of the first game, on this level, would have also brought in a lot of attention, but Bloober said SH2 is more in line with their kind of games (I think they citied it as a main influence).

so I'm not sure if they had any input on which SH they got to remake.

RasterGraphic posted...

All Konami has to do is clone ISO and repackage it with an emulator. It would do gangbusters with minimal effort.

Wait, I thought we were supposed to hate when companies do this.

It's honestly interesting to see somebody argue "They shouldn't have remade it, they should have just sold people the rom."

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

exactly, thus the money comment, if you haven't caught on

Of course its about money, but not in the cliched pessimistic way youre implying. The series has been dead for a long time now and they are testing the waters for a resurgence.

Do they go with the first game in the series (which is great) or do they go with the far and away most popular and influential title in the series?

HmmI wonder

BearlyWilling posted...

2 is vastly more popular and recognizable. This shouldnt be a surprise to anyone with a functioning brain cell. >_>

No one is denying it's the popualr one dude.

Same as MGS3

They're saying it exposes how it's soulless cash grab as opposed to art and vision.

For comparison: Resident Evil didn't remake 4 until just now. They did 1-3 first.

6 was the most successful RE game for years and that remake is still 5 years out

BearlyWilling posted...

2 is vastly more popular and recognizable. This shouldnt be a surprise to anyone with a functioning brain cell. >_>

It's like you can't read.

BearlyWilling posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8635e7a0.jpg

Stay mad. Ill give it a shot.

You ever had an independent thought in your life before?

Actual NPC shit

Raiden2909 posted...

I think part of the problem with that is that in the case of Silent hill 2 and 3... Konami literally lost the source code for the completed game, The older remaster collection released in 2012 were made using unfinished code that a small team had to then try to patch together and bring up to a state where it could be released... and well... ya

remember folks, Game preservation is an important issue so things like that dont happen

One thing I never understood is why they couldn't just get a PS2 or XBox copy of the game, transfer the files, and then convert them to run on the newer hardware. Or is that just something that is impossible for some reason?

Edit: Reverse engineer the game is what I was trying to say. I remember some other games had been reverse engineered around that time period but don't remember which ones.

My general issue is that the flow of remakes just remind me of business decisions by the usual suspects that have eroded creativity in the name of the almighty dollarydoo.

Game is like $200 used or something

It needed a remake

WingsOfGood posted...

Game is like $200 used or something

It needed a remake

Or just release the OG on Steam or PS store.

Heck you can still do that regardless of the remake.

I'm willing to try the remake when it comes out, but yes, the OG needs to be made available in some official capacity other than the HD Collection version.

BearlyWilling posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8635e7a0.jpg

Stay mad. Ill give it a shot.

How many of those are paid reviews?

It's weird to me because no one cares about other remakes the way people are acting about SH2.

And here I am enjoying both versions.

HighSeraph posted...

It's weird to me because no one cares about other remakes the way people are acting about SH2.

That is not true.

WingsOfGood posted...

That is not true.

I don't remember anyone caring about the sotc or demon souls remakes. Most people who complained about the FF7 remake did so about things that are particularly subjective like the plot or that it's episodic. By all accounts SH2 is a good faithful remake but a minority seems particularly upset about its existence.

HighSeraph posted...

It's weird to me because no one cares about other remakes the way people are acting about SH2.

It's because SH2 is pretty unique in gaming and the guys remaking it don't understand why either

HighSeraph posted...

I don't remember anyone caring about the sotc or demon souls remakes. Most people who complained about the FF7 remake did so about things that are particularly subjective like the plot or that it's episodic. By all accounts SH2 is a good faithful remake but a minority seems particularly upset about its existence.

Sotc got remade like 3 times.
Demon Souls was a big deal but only on ps5 and also there is so many souls games.

UnfairRepresent posted...

No one is denying it's the popualr one dude.

Same as MGS3

They're saying it exposes how it's soulless cash grab as opposed to art and vision.

For comparison: Resident Evil didn't remake 4 until just now. They did 1-3 first.

6 was the most successful RE game for years and that remake is still 5 years out

Skipping the first to remake the most popular title in the series to first test the waters isnt soulless no matter how much armchair games want to say that. Its the most obvious business choice when attempting to reboot a series that has sat stagnant for *years*.

I would absolutely expect 1 and 3 to be remade next if this does as well as looks like it might. The first is still my favorite in the series but it definitely is not the one that I would expect them to remake if they hope to renew interest and bring in new fans.

Lobinde posted...

You ever had an independent thought in your life before?

Actual NPC shit

Nope. Actual NPC shit would be parroting the constant nonsense about how the original game is perfect already, a remake isnt needed, blah blah blah and subsequently spending the months since the reveal whining about this. It got even worse after the first trailer/ gameplay reveal.

Now continuing to act like it looks like shit or isnt needed when it seems to be a hit so farthats the true npc talkespecially when this is coming from a studio that had even those interested still worried.

GeminiDeus posted...

One thing I never understood is why they couldn't just get a PS2 or XBox copy of the game, transfer the files, and then convert them to run on the newer hardware. Or is that just something that is impossible for some reason?

Edit: Reverse engineer the game is what I was trying to say. I remember some other games had been reverse engineered around that time period but don't remember which ones.

Dude, you don't even have to go that far. PS2 emulation has been trivial for over a decade now. They could also increase the resolution and add achievements.

Virtually all PS2 Classics released on the PS3/PS4/PS5 are emulated. None this is shit is truly "ported". There is no need to have the source code or reverse engineer the original.

The remake is objectively unnecessary and feels like a cynical attempt to replace the original because Konami actively hates paying royalties.

A remake being good doesn't make it necessary, nor does exorbitant collector prices. Those games wouldn't even be 200 dollars if Konami just rereleased it 10 years ago like they should have.

Raiden2909 posted...

I think part of the problem with that is that in the case of Silent hill 2 and 3... Konami literally lost the source code for the completed game

From what I heard, Square-Enix lost the source code for KH1, and still did KH1 HD by using a modded .iso. So I don't think losing the source code would affect anything in that case.

I watched a LP of SH1 recently (Symbailly, she's great and doing SH2 now, check her out) and while SH2 being the most popular game is the reason it got remade, it should be mentioned that SH1's plot would need to be substantially reworked to have it fall in line with modern games whereas SH2 was ahead of its time in that regard.

And you can't have SH3 without SH1.

I would argue SH1 wouldn't even work as a remake. The weird stilted uncanny valley aspect of it all is one of the reasons it holds up. Get rid of that, and you just have a bunch of Stephen King references.

Harry Mason isn't even really a character as much as an avatar for the player to project themselves. SH2 played with this idea and turned it on it's head. SH3 just goes all in making Heather an actual character.

Sunset Riders remake when?

RasterGraphic posted...

I would argue SH1 wouldn't even work as a remake. The weird stilted uncanny valley aspect of it all is one of the reasons it holds up. Get rid of that, and you just have a bunch of Stephen King references.

Harry Mason isn't even really a character as much as an avatar for the player to project themselves. SH2 played with this idea and turned it on it's head. SH3 just goes all in making Heather an actual character.

Yeah, the weird abstract nature of the graphics in combination with its soundtrack makes it incredibly scary, I dunno if any remake would be able to replicate it.